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| cruxbot | [contrib.git/3.2]: thin-provisioning-tools: 0.1.4 -> 0.6.3 | 03:30 |
| abenz | ^ thats what you call a leap jump | 03:44 |
| cruxbot | [contrib.git/3.2]: boost: 1.61.0 -> 1.62.0 | 04:00 |
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| Romster | yeah i let it sit for awhile abenz | 07:42 |
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| emmett1 | anybody here using thunar+gvfs+ntfs-3g and have fully working mounting? | 08:13 |
| emmett1 | cant have read/write access on usb drive ntfs formatted | 08:14 |
| emmett1 | i cant have read/write access on usb drive ntfs formatted | 08:14 |
| Romster | emmett1, did you update ntfs-3g recently? | 08:14 |
| Romster | and also prt-get readme ntfs-3g | 08:15 |
| emmett1 | i installed ntfs-3g about 2 days ago with updated ports | 08:16 |
| emmett1 | it does not have readme | 08:16 |
| Romster | it does now | 08:16 |
| Romster | it is at -2 revision now | 08:17 |
| emmett1 | if i run 'mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /mnt/data' it just work | 08:17 |
| emmett1 | but not work when mount through thunar | 08:17 |
| emmett1 | ok im updating ports now | 08:17 |
| Romster | ports -u contrib ; prt-get update ntfs-3g ; prt-get readme ntfs-3g | 08:18 |
| emmett1 | ok im reading readme now | 08:18 |
| Romster | only ntfs-4g can write to ntfs | 08:19 |
| Romster | ntfs-3g* | 08:20 |
| Romster | also i added ln -s ../bin/ntfs-3g $PKG/usr/sbin/mount.ntfs | 08:20 |
| Romster | so now you can do mount ... instead of monnt -t ntfs-3g | 08:20 |
| Romster | mount* | 08:20 |
| emmett1 | if i mount using gvfs on thunar i can have rw access? | 08:21 |
| Romster | you could even add a fstab entury for usb disks and set the flag to noauto | 08:21 |
| Romster | if it mounts with ntfs-3g for nfts file systems yes. | 08:21 |
| Romster | which it should /now/ | 08:21 |
| emmett1 | i dont know if it mount with ntfs-3g | 08:22 |
| emmett1 | anyway i can check? | 08:22 |
| Romster | by trying it? | 08:22 |
| emmett1 | should i do 'chmod -v 4755 /sbin/mount.ntfs'? | 08:22 |
| Romster | yes | 08:22 |
| emmett1 | its on readme | 08:22 |
| emmett1 | ok im trying | 08:23 |
| Romster | i made that readme | 08:23 |
| Romster | that will allow you to mount without having to sudo... so gvfs should be about to mount as non-root | 08:23 |
| emmett1 | why i dont have mount.ntfs in /sbin? | 08:25 |
| Romster | because i just added that /recent.y | 08:25 |
| Romster | why i said to update... | 08:25 |
| emmett1 | i already update | 08:25 |
| Romster | and even gave you the command to update ntfs-3g ^ | 08:25 |
| Romster | then you'll have that file. | 08:25 |
| emmett1 | i already update latest ntfs-3g | 08:26 |
| emmett1 | i dont have that file in /sbin | 08:26 |
| emmett1 | should i remove then reinstall? | 08:26 |
| Romster | /usr/sbin/mount.ntfs | 08:27 |
| Romster | sorry | 08:27 |
| emmett1 | yeah its in /usr/sbin | 08:28 |
| Romster | i need to move that | 08:28 |
| emmett1 | chmod: cannot operate on dangling symlink 'mount.ntfs' | 08:28 |
| emmett1 | i got this when try to chmod | 08:29 |
| emmett1 | as root | 08:29 |
| Romster | just wait fixing this | 08:29 |
| emmett1 | ok | 08:29 |
| Romster | i hate all these bloody paths sbin bin usr/sbin usr/bin it's a god damn aweful mess | 08:29 |
| emmett1 | haha yeah | 08:29 |
| emmett1 | i dont even know whats the difference | 08:29 |
| emmett1 | between those path | 08:30 |
| Romster | sbin is meant to be for static binaries | 08:30 |
| Romster | bin for dynamically linked | 08:30 |
| emmett1 | owh i see now | 08:31 |
| Romster | and anything ins /usr is not essential to get a running root system | 08:31 |
| emmett1 | i just know how to use follow instruction | 08:31 |
| Romster | or perform basic root functionality | 08:31 |
| emmett1 | owh | 08:31 |
| Romster | it's lost that meaning a long time ago now. | 08:31 |
| Romster | sbin tends to be now used for stuff that needs to run as root to do it's job | 08:32 |
| Romster | or system binaries | 08:32 |
| emmett1 | owhh | 08:33 |
| emmett1 | how about this ntfs-3g? | 08:33 |
| emmett1 | should i move to /sbin? | 08:33 |
| Romster | no i'll commit a fix | 08:33 |
| emmett1 | ok | 08:33 |
| cruxbot | [contrib.git/3.2]: ntfs-3g: fix symlinks | 08:35 |
| Romster | something is still odd | 08:37 |
| emmett1 | what is that? | 08:38 |
| Romster | the whole ntfs vs ntfs-3g | 08:39 |
| Romster | i hate this -3g crap on the end. | 08:39 |
| emmett1 | huhu | 08:40 |
| emmett1 | i dont know to fix that | 08:40 |
| emmett1 | im not a developer myself | 08:40 |
| emmett1 | now that mounting with thunar is fixed | 08:40 |
| emmett1 | that you for that | 08:40 |
| emmett1 | been googling myself about 2 days | 08:41 |
| emmett1 | *thank you for that | 08:41 |
| Romster | yo probably would not have found it, it's a permissions issue | 08:41 |
| Romster | which repository are you using gvfs and thunar from? | 08:41 |
| emmett1 | make my own Pkgfile | 08:41 |
| Romster | i saw, that's why i updated ntfs-3g | 08:41 |
| emmett1 | follow arch linux pkgbuild | 08:41 |
| Romster | pretty sure crux has them Pkgfiles | 08:42 |
| emmett1 | but gvfs on arch pkgbuild got error with doc | 08:42 |
| emmett1 | i got it cover after a week almost | 08:42 |
| Romster | https://raw.githubusercontent.com/mhoush/crux-mate/master/gvfs/Pkgfile did you look at that one? | 08:43 |
| emmett1 | crux does not have gvfs | 08:43 |
| emmett1 | i already look for that | 08:43 |
| emmett1 | gvfs is ok already on my crux | 08:43 |
| Romster | yeah it does in https://crux.nu/portdb/?a=search&q=gvfs | 08:43 |
| emmett1 | really? | 08:43 |
| emmett1 | the time im installing crux a few months ago theres no gvfs | 08:44 |
| Romster | you do know how to add additional ports collections to crux? | 08:44 |
| Romster | maybe then there wasn't | 08:44 |
| emmett1 | dont know | 08:44 |
| emmett1 | im just using for myself | 08:44 |
| emmett1 | if can i want to add to port collection too | 08:44 |
| Romster | you grab either httpup git or rsync files and throw them in /etc/ports/ | 08:44 |
| emmett1 | but dont know how | 08:44 |
| Romster | add a corresponding line in /etc/prt-get.conf | 08:45 |
| Romster | ports -u | 08:45 |
| Romster | and then you can prt-get info gvfs | 08:45 |
| Romster | of course you can make your own too | 08:45 |
| Romster | bust just so you know ^ | 08:46 |
| Romster | it is in the crux documentation | 08:46 |
| emmett1 | should i must have server or something to store my Pkgfile? | 08:46 |
| Romster | but just so you know ^ | 08:46 |
| Romster | only if you want to host it for others to use. | 08:46 |
| emmett1 | yeah already read in documentation but too hard to understand | 08:46 |
| Romster | which is nice to do. | 08:46 |
| emmett1 | so i make more Pkgfile 1st for my own use | 08:46 |
| Romster | some use github or there own server | 08:47 |
| emmett1 | yeah i saw that | 08:47 |
| emmett1 | i still cant understand to use github | 08:47 |
| Romster | i host it myself and on github for a mirror. | 08:48 |
| Romster | for my romster collection | 08:48 |
| emmett1 | i think i have to learn more about it | 08:48 |
| emmett1 | im just got into linux not 1 year yet | 08:49 |
| emmett1 | still learning | 08:49 |
| Romster | yeah so i got sbin/mount.ntfs and sbin/mount.ntfs-3g it's good. | 08:49 |
| Romster | it takes years to understand most of it. crux forces you to learn. | 08:49 |
| emmett1 | hey, why dont u put chmod that mount.ntfs command in Pkgfile? | 08:50 |
| Romster | i'm still learning | 08:50 |
| emmett1 | not all user read readme | 08:50 |
| emmett1 | like me :P | 08:50 |
| Romster | i was thinking of that but a) docker didn't like changing that sticky bit b) possible security risk letting normal users mount read/write to ntfs filesystems. | 08:50 |
| emmett1 | yeah..want try LFS but learn crux 1st | 08:51 |
| Romster | well really LFS is just building ports manually | 08:51 |
| Romster | i see crux as LFS but with a simple build() function around it in Pkgfiles | 08:51 |
| Romster | that has extra data for prt-get to use. | 08:51 |
| Romster | like dependencies | 08:52 |
| emmett1 | yeah i see crux as LFS too | 08:52 |
| emmett1 | thats why i want get used with crux 1st | 08:52 |
| Romster | going to LFS you wont gain much more, other than learning how to build your own compiler tool chain | 08:52 |
| emmett1 | then build my own linux os | 08:52 |
| Romster | once you get used to crux you probably wont wanna leave. | 08:53 |
| emmett1 | yeah | 08:53 |
| Romster | i already been there making my own distro. | 08:53 |
| Romster | lots of work and i didn't maintain it for more than a couple of years. | 08:53 |
| emmett1 | actually i fall in love with crux after few weeks using arch | 08:53 |
| emmett1 | but i dont know about source based distro yet that time | 08:54 |
| Romster | crux does need some more tender loving care, and it takes time to get everything just right. | 08:54 |
| emmett1 | its like ' why so fucking long time to install this and that not like arch' | 08:54 |
| emmett1 | lol | 08:54 |
| Romster | souces based hits more problems from time to time with compiling with different versions. | 08:54 |
| Romster | yeah source based is slow on large builds. i do host some large builds. | 08:55 |
| emmett1 | yeah | 08:55 |
| Romster | http://crux.ster.zone/packages/3.2/ | 08:55 |
| Romster | wget and pkgadd -u | 08:55 |
| Romster | but you still need the depenences installed and it's a good idea to check with revdep | 08:56 |
| emmett1 | we can do that? | 08:56 |
| Romster | yep | 08:56 |
| emmett1 | mean just install compiled package? | 08:56 |
| Romster | you can if you trust the source | 08:56 |
| emmett1 | is it safe? | 08:56 |
| Romster | ie the person that built it | 08:57 |
| Romster | well it's as safe as the person who compiled it. | 08:57 |
| ryu0 | emmett1: this is really nothing new. you've been doing this all along with any distribution with binary packages. | 08:57 |
| emmett1 | then how about post and pre-install file? | 08:57 |
| Romster | that is my personal site i build all my packages in a clean docker container. | 08:57 |
| Romster | you can run those from the ports/... already | 08:57 |
| Romster | if there is one. | 08:58 |
| Romster | it's a little more manual to add a built package and run the post-install (if there is one) | 08:58 |
| Romster | crux wasn't made to be binary | 08:58 |
| Romster | and built packages will link to anything on the system at time of building. | 08:59 |
| ryu0 | Romster: correction, *can*. they don't necessarily link to every library. | 08:59 |
| Romster | which is why i use a clean docker container for each "prt-get depinst foo" build. | 08:59 |
| emmett1 | then i have to save big compiled package like llvm qt4 firefox and etc | 08:59 |
| emmett1 | other than that just compile it again | 08:59 |
| Romster | well only ones that the port in question can link too. | 08:59 |
| Romster | if you install ccache you will save a ton of time at the expense of a few gigabytes of disk space | 09:00 |
| Romster | but only after the first slow build of that port. | 09:01 |
| emmett1 | yeah | 09:03 |
| emmett1 | about gcc i dont understand | 09:03 |
| Romster | what don't you understand about gcc? | 09:03 |
| emmett1 | if gcc got updated should i recompile all my installed package? | 09:04 |
| Romster | you can check with "revdep" | 09:04 |
| emmett1 | how to use revdep? | 09:04 |
| Romster | and it depends if ABI gets broken on the change. | 09:04 |
| Romster | just run it | 09:04 |
| Romster | revdep | 09:04 |
| emmett1 | revdep: command not found | 09:05 |
| ryu0 | let me guess. they didn't install it. | 09:05 |
| Romster | if it returns any output those need rebuilding, unless it's a binary package like libreoffice jre those tend to be false positives and can be ignored. | 09:05 |
| Romster | prt-get depinst prt-utils | 09:05 |
| Romster | $ prt-get fsearch revdep | 09:06 |
| Romster | Found in /usr/ports/opt/prt-utils: | 09:06 |
| Romster | //usr/bin/revdep | 09:06 |
| emmett1 | why prt-utils does not come with crux installation? | 09:06 |
| emmett1 | it should got installed with crux os | 09:06 |
| emmett1 | while install | 09:06 |
| emmett1 | i got 3 package output of revdep | 09:07 |
| emmett1 | dropbox, virtualbox and virtualbox-extpack | 09:08 |
| emmett1 | should i recompiled it? | 09:08 |
| ryu0 | emmett1: if they're binary packages, it won't make a difference. | 09:11 |
| emmett1 | ok | 09:11 |
| emmett1 | i think i have to recompile it | 09:12 |
| emmett1 | ryu0, what file manager u use in crux? | 09:12 |
| emmett1 | my thunar not behave well | 09:12 |
| ryu0 | emmett1: i use ubuntu, remember? or was that someone else? anyway, i prefer using ls and such to navigate, but there's options like mc, uh... | 09:13 |
| ryu0 | spacefm, or w/e. | 09:13 |
| ryu0 | i haven't really cared about file managers tbh. | 09:13 |
| emmett1 | owh i forgot | 09:16 |
| emmett1 | its me | 09:16 |
| emmett1 | u tell me before | 09:16 |
| emmett1 | its ok then if u dont crux | 09:16 |
| ryu0 | emmett1: i've written some supporting software but that's about it. | 09:17 |
| ryu0 | namely the current version of revdep. | 09:17 |
| emmett1 | my thunar not working very well been googling i few days | 09:17 |
| Romster | it does its in opt/ | 09:18 |
| emmett1 | namely the current version of revdep? | 09:18 |
| emmett1 | i dont understand | 09:18 |
| ryu0 | emmett1: see previous statement. | 09:18 |
| Romster | virtualbox is source unless you packaged the binary verison, i'd iamgine dropbox is binary? | 09:19 |
| ryu0 | i wrote the version of revdep that people currently use. | 09:19 |
| Romster | not sure on virtualbox-extpack | 09:19 |
| Romster | you can do revdep -vvvv virtualbox-extpack | 09:19 |
| Romster | and see what libraries it is missing | 09:19 |
| emmett1 | ryu0, err | 09:19 |
| Romster | on them 3 ports | 09:19 |
| ryu0 | i guess he doesn't understand what a programmer does. =p | 09:20 |
| emmett1 | Romster, dropbox i build it on Pkgfile | 09:20 |
| Romster | revdep is the work of ryu0 and me. | 09:20 |
| ryu0 | i wrote all the code and Romster was the primary tester of it. | 09:20 |
| Romster | ryu0, wrote it i gave some direction and initiated ryu0 to rewrite the old shell script one that was really slow. | 09:21 |
| Romster | i also did most of the man page | 09:21 |
| Romster | man revdep | 09:21 |
| emmett1 | ryu0, yeah maybe im not a programmer or developer | 09:21 |
| ryu0 | it actually started when i heard Romster complaining about how slow revdep was. | 09:21 |
| emmett1 | owhh | 09:21 |
| Romster | and selected the man page generator | 09:21 |
| emmett1 | i seee | 09:21 |
| ryu0 | i had written something similar for another distribution. | 09:21 |
| emmett1 | u both are awesome | 09:21 |
| emmett1 | are u both are crux worker or something? | 09:22 |
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| Romster | i've done a few things i'm not a programmer though | 09:22 |
| ryu0 | me? not really. | 09:22 |
| Romster | ryu0, was using crux in the past. | 09:22 |
| Romster | but no just a user | 09:22 |
| ryu0 | i have a diverse set of technology talents, but primarily programming is my focus. | 09:22 |
| Romster | i maintain packages | 09:23 |
| emmett1 | then u are friend with Per Liden? | 09:23 |
| ryu0 | Eh? | 09:23 |
| ryu0 | Who? | 09:23 |
| Romster | mine is more electronics and photocopiers sound computer building/removing viruses. | 09:23 |
| emmett1 | does not Per Liden make crux? | 09:23 |
| emmett1 | or my mistake? | 09:23 |
| ryu0 | i don't know who "makes" crux. | 09:23 |
| Romster | some hard disk recoveries (anything not requiring a clean room) | 09:24 |
| Romster | per liden made crux | 09:24 |
| ryu0 | i never bothered to learn that much about it. | 09:24 |
| Romster | he passed it onto the community many years ago | 09:24 |
| Romster | so a group of core devs look after it | 09:24 |
| Romster | i'm a packager that's in opt compat-32 xorg and contrib | 09:25 |
| emmett1 | mean per liden does not take part anymore with crux? | 09:25 |
| Romster | i have about 50% of contrib packages that i maintain | 09:25 |
| Romster | no he gave it away a long time ago | 09:25 |
| Romster | we have had many people come and go from crux | 09:26 |
| Romster | to where we are now. | 09:26 |
| emmett1 | owh | 09:26 |
| emmett1 | u one of 'many people'? | 09:26 |
| Romster | yes | 09:26 |
| emmett1 | nice | 09:26 |
| Romster | but i'm not a core developer of crux | 09:26 |
| emmett1 | yeah | 09:27 |
| emmett1 | its still nice | 09:27 |
| Romster | i am part of a group that looks after a few collections of ports. | 09:27 |
| emmett1 | i wonder why per liden give crux away | 09:28 |
| emmett1 | crux is awesome linux os | 09:28 |
| emmett1 | he give away something big | 09:28 |
| Romster | i guess to do other hobbies | 09:30 |
| emmett1 | maybe | 09:31 |
| emmett1 | i wish i could know what he do now | 09:31 |
| emmett1 | fishing or cycling or jogging maybe | 09:32 |
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| Romster | ACTION shrugs | 09:48 |
| Romster | once your done on crux setting up you can do anything you like | 09:48 |
| emmett1 | yeah | 09:48 |
| emmett1 | to many package need to make Pkgfile | 09:49 |
| emmett1 | so i can use it as daily use | 09:49 |
| emmett1 | i want make it stable enough | 09:49 |
| emmett1 | i still cant make smplayer and viewnior work | 09:50 |
| emmett1 | can u help me | 09:50 |
| emmett1 | smplayer on crux port database cant play video | 09:50 |
| emmett1 | make my own still got same error | 09:50 |
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| Romster | i would suggest using mpv for a player | 09:51 |
| Romster | or vlc | 09:52 |
| emmett1 | mpv lag on my crux i dont know why | 09:52 |
| emmett1 | right now im using vlc | 09:52 |
| Romster | you probably don't have hardware acceleration | 09:52 |
| emmett1 | i dont know | 09:53 |
| Romster | you got libva and what video card? | 09:53 |
| emmett1 | before crux im using smplayer on arch and gentoo | 09:53 |
| emmett1 | i got intel 300 | 09:53 |
| emmett1 | i got intel 3000 | 09:54 |
| emmett1 | maybe | 09:54 |
| Romster | prt-get depinst libva-intel | 09:54 |
| Romster | for accelerated video | 09:54 |
| Romster | then try the player again | 09:54 |
| ryu0 | emmett1: you will need libva and the intel driver, plus enabling mpv to use it. | 09:54 |
| emmett1 | owh ok guys | 09:54 |
| emmett1 | i will try it later | 09:54 |
| Romster | actually mpv will just use it. | 09:55 |
| emmett1 | about viewnior can u help me? | 09:55 |
| emmett1 | i really like this image viewer | 09:55 |
| emmett1 | got error: which: no gnome-autogen.sh in (/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin) | 09:56 |
| emmett1 | You need to install gnome-common from the GNOME CVS | 09:56 |
| emmett1 | it says.. | 09:56 |
| Romster | you might find that i the mate collection | 09:56 |
| Romster | in the* | 09:56 |
| Romster | i am using geeqle you might want to give that a try | 09:57 |
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| Romster | geeqie sorry. | 09:57 |
| Romster | uses nothing more than gtk | 09:58 |
| emmett1 | ok installing that right now | 09:58 |
| emmett1 | will try it | 09:58 |
| emmett1 | i think i like viewnior more | 09:59 |
| emmett1 | its more simple | 10:00 |
| emmett1 | can you help me make viewnior Pkgfile | 10:00 |
| emmett1 | geeqie nice too | 10:00 |
| emmett1 | but been using viewnior since i start using linux | 10:01 |
| crash_ | i have problems with wifi on crux, i have the module in the kernel, and firmware is installed. But when i run wpa_supplicant it says Connected and disconnected over and over. And if i'm trying to use ethernet i only get 169 ip when i run dhcpcd, so i have messed something up? | 10:01 |
| Romster | emmett1, https://crux.nu/portdb/?a=search&q=gnome-common | 10:05 |
| Romster | copy that probably update it and install it. | 10:06 |
| Romster | i might have a look at viewnior | 10:06 |
| emmett1 | Romster, yeah thanks ya :) | 10:08 |
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| Romster | i have almost everything... | 10:10 |
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| Romster | what is up with the mpv menu... | 10:38 |
| Romster | and why is it defaulting to stereo when i have a 5.1 sound system | 10:38 |
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| retard | they embiggened it | 10:38 |
| retard | https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv/wiki/FAQ#i-want-the-old-osc-back | 10:39 |
| Romster | it looks terrible i like it how it was | 10:39 |
| Romster | phew thank you retard | 10:41 |
| retard | np | 10:42 |
| Romster | but this does not solve my other problem | 10:42 |
| Romster | [ao/alsa] Disabling multichannel output. | 10:42 |
| Romster | when playing a dvd | 10:42 |
| retard | have you got an alsa configuration for surround? | 10:45 |
| Romster | $ cat /etc/asound.conf | 10:46 |
| Romster | pcm.dsp { | 10:46 |
| Romster | type plug | 10:46 |
| Romster | slave.pcm "dmix" | 10:46 |
| Romster | } | 10:46 |
| Romster | yeah and that's all i list | 10:46 |
| retard | maybe this https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv/wiki/ALSA:-Surround-Sound-and-Upmixing | 10:46 |
| Romster | and it picked up 5.1 before just find. | 10:46 |
| Romster | fine* | 10:47 |
| retard | 0.8 is old though | 10:47 |
| retard | so i don't know | 10:47 |
| Romster | or i never notice it... | 10:47 |
| retard | i'm deaf in one ear | 10:47 |
| Romster | so i have top use upmix and not dmix | 10:50 |
| Romster | that sucks. | 10:50 |
| retard | i thought maybe it would be enough just to set the number of channels | 10:51 |
| Romster | ipc-key no idea what that does | 10:51 |
| retard | oh, ipc-key is just an arbitrary identifier | 10:51 |
| retard | it's used to separate the devices | 10:52 |
| Romster | ah | 10:52 |
| retard | alsa a mess | 10:52 |
| Romster | well that default config just broke my audio | 10:53 |
| Romster | alsa why you so messy | 10:53 |
| retard | you can do weird stuff with it, but the syntax is very annoying | 10:55 |
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| retard | i used this to downmix sound for my headphones http://pastebin.com/X2g3W4SJ | 10:55 |
| retard | since i'm deaf in my right ear | 10:55 |
| Romster | i used to use jack for everything but support for that is not always there. | 10:55 |
| retard | maybe your card is exposed as several stereo subdevices instead of one multichannel card? | 10:56 |
| retard | alsa is always a lot of messing around, then not touching it when it finally does what you want | 10:56 |
| retard | oh | 10:57 |
| retard | maybe you could just set the device to surround51 in mpv | 10:57 |
| retard | yeah that might work | 10:57 |
| retard | --ao=alsa:no-block:device=surround51 or similar | 10:59 |
| Romster | it's just a on board | 11:00 |
| Romster | Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) | 11:00 |
| Romster | i cut that config down without the hw: part and it works but not multichannel | 11:00 |
| Romster | you would this this would be enough https://paste.pound-python.org/show/c3sGTR8bFST2Gwa3d95v/ | 11:03 |
| Romster | where do i feed that --ao to mpv doesn't like it | 11:03 |
| retard | could you give me your aplay -L too? | 11:04 |
| Romster | https://paste.pound-python.org/show/KPLCuxtaWqCmngMgzweO/ | 11:05 |
| retard | i think maybe the hw:0,0 is specifying using the two first channels as stereo outputs | 11:05 |
| retard | maybe try hw:0 | 11:06 |
| Romster | didn't help | 11:06 |
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| retard | or pcm surround51 | 11:06 |
| Romster | damn still disabled. | 11:07 |
| retard | damn it | 11:08 |
| Romster | now i am reading http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Asoundrc | 11:09 |
| retard | oh | 11:10 |
| retard | maybe | 11:10 |
| retard | channel statement might have to be in the upmix block | 11:10 |
| retard | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Advanced_Linux_Sound_Architecture#Upmixing | 11:10 |
| retard | like | 11:10 |
| retard | slave { pcm "surround51" } is equivalent to slave.pcm "surround51" btw | 11:11 |
| retard | meaning the channel definition there is outside the slave block | 11:11 |
| retard | maybe | 11:13 |
| retard | https://paste.pound-python.org/show/aALYqWhcQAmptHcmky6N/ | 11:13 |
| retard | assuming somehting is making pcm.dsp your default alsa device here btw | 11:14 |
| retard | otherwise replace that with pcm.!default | 11:14 |
| Romster | hmm still no go | 11:16 |
| ryu0 | Go won't install!? No go! | 11:17 |
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| Romster | https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.os.linux.debian/niQR7nYoCPs looking at this | 11:19 |
| Romster | it's been ages since i messed with alsa | 11:29 |
| retard | lucky | 11:35 |
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| Romster | speaker-test -c 6 -t wav | 12:19 |
| Romster | only works in stereo hmm the rest are muted | 12:19 |
| Romster | unused like they are not mapped | 12:20 |
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| retard | maybe some parameter for the driver is needed | 12:53 |
| Romster | pcm.!default { | 12:54 |
| Romster | type plug | 12:54 |
| Romster | slave.pcm “surround51″ | 12:54 |
| Romster | slave.channels 6 | 12:54 |
| Romster | route_policy duplicate | 12:54 |
| Romster | } | 12:54 |
| Romster | that should be all i need | 12:54 |
| Romster | speaker-test -c 6 -t wav | 12:55 |
| Romster | ALSA lib pcm.c:2450:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM “surround51″ | 12:55 |
| Romster | and yet you've seen my aplay -L | 12:55 |
| Romster | it lists that profile | 12:55 |
| Romster | surround51:CARD=SB,DEV=0 | 12:55 |
| Romster | HDA ATI SB, ALC889A Analog | 12:55 |
| Romster | 5.1 Surround output to Front, Center, Rear and Subwoofer speakers | 12:55 |
| Romster | wtf now i've lost interest in watching a movie in stereo because i wanted the full 5.1 | 12:56 |
| Romster | spent hours messing with this | 12:57 |
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| retard | know that feeling | 13:01 |
| retard | feeling happy about my mono condition | 13:02 |
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| retard | i just get to obsess about hardware accelerated video decoding instead | 13:02 |
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| Romster | maybe it's time i tried a newer kernel... | 13:22 |
| retard | what are you on now? | 13:24 |
| Romster | 3.18.34 | 13:24 |
| Romster | i'm using snd_hda_codec_realtek | 13:25 |
| retard | 3.15.6 on this laptop still, and it's quite old | 13:25 |
| Romster | aplay -L lists i have 5.1 | 13:25 |
| Romster | funny enough i did try a newer 3.18.x and i got OOM faults. | 13:26 |
| retard | i noticed, it's very strange - i assume it's not muted in alsamixer/amixer or anything | 13:26 |
| Romster | it was unstable as hell | 13:26 |
| Romster | so i went back to 3.18.34 | 13:26 |
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| Romster | 00:26:41 up 35 days, 23:51, 1 user, load average: 0.98, 0.93, 0.81 | 13:26 |
| Romster | nope i can get 2 channels to work with dmix | 13:27 |
| retard | whoa, local clock here is way off | 13:27 |
| Romster | $ cat /proc/asound/card*/codec* | grep Codec | 13:28 |
| Romster | Codec: Realtek ALC889A | 13:28 |
| Romster | Codec: Nvidia GPU 60 HDMI/DP | 13:28 |
| retard | the "htpc" i've got an extigy on lists Master Front, Master Rear, Master Center and Master Woofer as separate controls | 13:28 |
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| Romster | are you kidding me i got speaker-test to work | 13:30 |
| Romster | messed with asound.conf again | 13:30 |
| Romster | type plug | 13:31 |
| Romster | slave.pcm "dmix" | 13:31 |
| Romster | route_policy duplicate <- that did it | 13:32 |
| Romster | but i can not set slave.pcm “surround51″ | 13:33 |
| Romster | how weird | 13:33 |
| Romster | but mpv still does [ao/alsa] Disabling multichannel output. | 13:33 |
| Romster | -_- | 13:33 |
| retard | .. huh, so there must be something wonky with the routing | 13:34 |
| Romster | i guess | 13:36 |
| Romster | weird issue | 13:36 |
| Romster | dmix can't do surround? | 13:39 |
| retard | quite sure it can | 13:40 |
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| Romster | meh now people have gone to bed so i can't crank i to THX levels | 13:44 |
| Romster | it to* | 13:44 |
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| retard | the audience is listening | 13:46 |
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| pseudonymous | is it possible to treat my ports dir as an overlay of sorts | 15:00 |
| retard | sure | 15:00 |
| retard | just put it ahead of the other ones in prt-get.conf | 15:00 |
| pseudonymous | hmm cool :) | 15:01 |
| pseudonymous | So making a directory and making packages is easy enough. But I'm wondering, what is your (read: any user) workflow when you encounter an outdated, broken or otherwise unsuitable package (think compile flags) and you end up maintaining a local port. Do you keep patch files? Use git? | 15:15 |
| retard | me and a couple of friends run a repo that gets fed by some git hooks | 15:16 |
| retard | so i just check it in there | 15:16 |
| pseudonymous | but that means you effectively maintain the port from there, right ? Your port and upstream may end up diverging | 15:17 |
| retard | sure | 15:17 |
| retard | actually | 15:17 |
| retard | they already have | 15:17 |
| retard | or i wouldn't have to make a port | 15:18 |
| retard | you can always just not bother | 15:18 |
| retard | fix it manually | 15:18 |
| retard | then let it get overwritten with the next ports -u | 15:18 |
| pseudonymous | well aside from the versionbump :P I'm more thinking of it from a sourcecode standpoint. While you might disagree on compileflags, the upstream port might enhance its build process for quicker compiles, catch edge-cases etc.. Stuff you'd like | 15:18 |
| onodera | pseudonymous: for really simple changes I use a tool I'm making. for example fish-git only compiles if libpcre2 has been compiled with some flag, so I created a patch for it and the tool applies it | 15:19 |
| retard | a Pkgfile isn't generally that complicated | 15:19 |
| Romster | let the maintainer of the port know | 15:19 |
| Romster | either though a bug report email or in irc | 15:19 |
| onodera | https://github.com/onodera-punpun/prt#patchprt | 15:19 |
| onodera | the readme is outdated by now, but it still works kinda the same | 15:20 |
| Romster | i wouldn't fork unless you have drastic changes | 15:20 |
| Romster | unless you want to end up with as many ports as i have now. | 15:20 |
| pseudonymous | onodera: interesting :) | 15:20 |
| onodera | https://punpun.xyz/b16p.png | 15:21 |
| onodera | it's kinda borken, but it works well enough for now | 15:21 |
| pseudonymous | romster: that's the thing. I've made some legitimate ports (like Pypy) which are justified, but some others are trivial compile flag changes or a versionbump | 15:21 |
| pseudonymous | And so the difficulty sometimes becomes one of recording/remembering what instigated the "fork" | 15:22 |
| Romster | well you can contact the maintainers of them ports and ask them see if they will. | 15:22 |
| Romster | and if not then fork it | 15:22 |
| Romster | that's why you make your own Pkgfile and edit it then diff it to the original and send the patch to the maintainer. | 15:23 |
| pseudonymous | small followup: sometimes my port will fail on something trivial (probably bash syntax-related). Is there a way to "resume" a build and/or retain the sourcedir so that compilation isn't an issue the second time around? | 15:37 |
| Romster | pkgmk -kw but really no start over | 15:53 |
| Romster | going afk | 15:53 |
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| pedja | new veracrypt really doesn't like that my CPU lacks aes-ni. | 20:43 |
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| maraku | hmm, the new mesa3d builds usr/lib/dri/{nouveau_drv_video.so,r600_drv_video.so,radeonsi_drv_video.so} even though i only have intel integrated graphics (and no nvidia or amd packages installed) | 20:48 |
| ryu0 | maraku: from what i recall it'll do that if your libdrm provides the necessary backend. | 20:49 |
| maraku | so if I pass --disable-nouveau in the configure for libdrm, mesa3d fails with "No package 'libdrm_nouveau' found" in its configure stage | 20:57 |
| maraku | which seems odd, because, ./configure -h in libdrm says it handles what to build automatically. | 20:57 |
| ryu0 | maraku: it'll enable nouveau/ati/intel automatically if it can build them. | 20:58 |
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| ryu0 | sounds like you may want to limit the mesa drivers you are building? | 20:58 |
| ryu0 | assuming you care all that much. | 20:59 |
| maraku | it seems pointless to have nouveau and amd drivers on a intel only laptop | 20:59 |
| maraku | but it seems like a little too much work (maintaining a local fork of mesa3d and libdrm) to make it worthwhile | 21:00 |
| maraku | but thanks anyways for the info | 21:00 |
| pedja | I like when the fix is easy (it was using 'uname -p' to guess the arch) | 21:04 |
| pedja | now to ENCRYPT ALL THE THINGS! | 21:05 |
| maraku | do you use LUKS as well pedja? | 21:06 |
| maraku | or are you not that paranoid (yet) | 21:06 |
| pedja | no, but it's on my TODO list :) | 21:07 |
| pedja | zfs should get encryption soon-ish. | 21:09 |
| pedja | per dataset, so you can encrypt just parts of the system. | 21:10 |
| pedja | and the neat thing is that scrubing/resilvering works on encrypted data, too | 21:12 |
| maraku | do you use zfs as your main fs? | 21:17 |
| maraku | I'm sure btrfs will get encryption soon^tm | 21:18 |
| maraku | also, ext4 has file/folder based encryption since 4.1 | 21:21 |
| pedja | no, I play with it on FreeBSD, but I do intend to use it on my system, once I upgrade. | 21:23 |
| cruxbot | [opt.git/3.2]: btrfs-progs: updated to 4.8.1 | 21:24 |
| frinnst | speaking of btrfs | 21:24 |
| frinnst | my connection is so unreliable my ck4up script fails more often than not :( | 21:25 |
| frinnst | i'll probably order adsl on monday :( | 21:26 |
| pedja | they are still working on the infrastructure? | 21:28 |
| frinnst | yeah and im fed up with this fucking 4G joke | 21:29 |
| frinnst | entering the 5th week and they expect it to be completed this week | 21:29 |
| frinnst | but I doubt it will | 21:30 |
| pedja | patience, my friend, think of that sweet, sweet, 100/100 connection | 21:30 |
| pedja | (I presume that's the one you'll take) | 21:30 |
| pedja | I would | 21:31 |
| pedja | mine 20/2 coughs when it's raining/snowing/the wind is too strong/the moon is not full. | 21:32 |
| frinnst | no. I'll fork out for 1gb/1gb. they ran an offer for like 6 months and you can cancel it whenever | 21:33 |
| pedja | nice | 21:33 |
| pedja | FTTH? | 21:37 |
| frinnst | yep | 21:37 |
| frinnst | before it was just fibre to the basement :-) | 21:37 |
| tilman | fucking sweden man | 21:38 |
| pedja | I am afaraid to ask what's the price... | 21:38 |
| abenz | pedja: are you on ADSL2+ ? | 21:39 |
| pedja | yep | 21:39 |
| abenz | classic! | 21:39 |
| abenz | I'm FTTN (fiber to the neighbourhood) | 21:40 |
| abenz | last mile VDSL | 21:40 |
| abenz | which is extremely flaky | 21:40 |
| frinnst | gbit/gbit would cost me $46/month for 6 months | 21:41 |
| frinnst | stupid not to take it | 21:41 |
| abenz | and after the 6 months? | 21:41 |
| frinnst | double | 21:42 |
| frinnst | http://vasterviksbostad.openuniverse.se/vasterviksbostad/internet/privat/ | 21:47 |
| frinnst | if you can read bork!bork! | 21:47 |
| crash_ | i can read bork! bork! | 21:50 |
| pedja | ACTION googles 'how to emigrate to Sweden whilst having no skils' | 21:50 |
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| frinnst | im pretty sure you could score an IT job in sweden pedja :) | 21:51 |
| frinnst | skill wise atleast. language might be a little more difficult :D | 21:52 |
| pedja | baby steps. http://www.childrensbooksforever.com/Childrenpics/Tyrannus%20den%20store%20slemme%20slasken.pdf | 22:05 |
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| frinnst | except its not in swedish | 22:05 |
| frinnst | norwegian :D | 22:06 |
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| pedja | so, the link lies.excelent start ;) | 22:07 |
| pedja | link from http://www.101languages.net/resources/swedish/ | 22:08 |
| tilman | danish/norwegian have the ae and o/ characters, swedish doesn't | 22:10 |
| pedja | norwegian is, with german in close second place, one of the most popular languages that people learn, hoping to get the hell out of here. | 22:11 |
| frinnst | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkHRNrMmkvg | 22:19 |
| crash_ | haha hipp hipp is so funny :) | 22:19 |
| crash_ | have you seen tiffany perssons new show? | 22:20 |
| frinnst | no | 22:20 |
| crash_ | ok | 22:21 |
| frinnst | dont have tv :( | 22:21 |
| crash_ | i see :) | 22:21 |
| frinnst | and fucing svt requires flash or something | 22:22 |
| crash_ | i don't watch much tv either just svtplay and Netflix on chromecast that is connected to the tv and a bluray player | 22:22 |
| crash_ | svtplay works with html5 for me in FF | 22:22 |
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| frinnst | http://www.oppetarkiv.se/video/2887977/hipp-hipp-sasong-1-avsnitt-1-av-6 too ? | 22:22 |
| crash_ | i have pepperflash installed as well so i can see oppetarkiv not sure if that is html5 or only flash now :P | 22:25 |
| crash_ | but regular svtplay worked fine before i installed pepperflash | 22:26 |
| pedja | is pepperflash less crashy these days?I've given up on Flash in FF a while ago. | 22:46 |
| crash_ | i'm not using that much actually just for some news sites, so far so good:) | 22:47 |
| pedja | wth.http://gittup.org/gittup/ | 22:54 |
| pedja | "all you can really do with gittup.org is recompile things really fast and play nethack and watch movies with mplayer over sshfs." | 22:55 |
| retard | sounds good | 23:05 |
| retard | to me | 23:05 |
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| pedja | latest Chrome(54.x) ships without the flash player.interesting. | 23:31 |
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| retard | but then how can i zombo.com | 23:32 |
| pedja | uMatrix extension does not like that site. | 23:36 |
| retard | it is the most amazing site | 23:36 |
| retard | umatrix must be very foolish | 23:36 |
| pedja | :) | 23:37 |
| pedja | 'hyperconvergence' looks like technobable from Star Trek, I had no idea that's actually a thing. | 23:43 |
| retard | hahaha | 23:43 |
| retard | HCI woop wooooop | 23:43 |
| retard | been helping a customer with planning a virtual san solution | 23:43 |
| retard | hyperconvergence is only really relevant with "enterprise" bullshit | 23:43 |
| pedja | what is it?in a nutshell. | 23:46 |
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| retard | mainly combining SAN and IP traffic | 23:50 |
| retard | and storage and compute | 23:50 |
| retard | so instead of having separate boxes and separate networks, you integrate it all with commodity servers | 23:51 |
| pedja | it's that kind of questions that make me unpopular at dinner parties. | 23:51 |
| retard | i don't get invited to dinner parties | 23:52 |
| pedja | so it's 'just' a huge appliance-like data center? | 23:52 |
| retard | well, it means a lot of things, but a lot of it is about scaling out | 23:53 |
| pedja | interesting.thanks, retard (you should really change that nick, btw :) ) | 23:54 |
| retard | high-speed networking supporting both storage and network traffic in the same units and cables, and combining storage and computing and doing redundancy with several servers | 23:54 |
| retard | why is that? | 23:54 |
| retard | so when you need more storage and your servers are filled, you buy another server | 23:55 |
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| retard | you need more compute, you buy another server | 23:55 |
| retard | no special interfaces for fiberchannel etc | 23:55 |
| pedja | well, you are clearly not one, for starters :) | 23:55 |
| retard | it's a buzzword though | 23:57 |
| retard | like other buzzwords there are legitimate concepts and ideas behind it, but | 23:58 |
| pedja | easier to market this way, I guess | 23:58 |
| retard | it's for the ties rather than the beards, yep | 23:59 |
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