IRC Logs for #crux Friday, 2016-11-18

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abenzhttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Microsoft-Joins-Linux-F02:07
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druid_droidhi crux'rs :)13:50
druid_droidI saw on crux wiki that only one thing for version 3.3, hehehe so nice, thank you all... I have been working on openassistant port, I will update soon.14:05
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cruxbot[xorg.git/3.2]: xorg-xf86-input-joystick: update to 1.6.315:02
cruxbot[xorg.git/3.2]: xorg-xf86-input-synaptics: update to 1.9.015:02
cruxbot[xorg.git/3.2]: xorg-xf86-video-vmware: update to 13.2.115:02
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john_cephalopodaHi15:40
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pedjaI wonder what's the upper limit for number of objects in a git repo.17:22
pedjagit struggles a bit with 5.5M objects in unix-history17:23
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pedja2.1Gb for source of almost all Unix versions since the dawn of time is kind of cool17:25
pedjaand so is this: https://youtu.be/S7JB0mhrGCQ (Gource visaualisation)17:27
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pedjaHas anyone checked nvidia-375.20?It's not marked as beta, but it's listed in beta section of the Nvidia site :)18:21
john_cephalopodaNouveau here :ø18:24
john_cephalopoda* :P18:24
pedjaheh.18:25
pedjamaybe they are waiting for 4.9 to ship, kill two birds with one nuke, as they say.18:26
john_cephalopodaIt's crazy how much code one has to write to draw a triangle.18:27
pedjahttps://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/api-without-secrets-introduction-to-vulkan-part-318:30
pedja'First triangle' :)18:30
pedjatriangles are game devs 'hello world', it seems18:31
pedjaafter (a long) 'git gc', the repo is 200Mb smaller.Nice.18:32
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john_cephalopoda"To simplify the whole code, we created a framebuffer with a fixed size [...]"18:42
john_cephalopodaRight, because the code is much simpler now.18:42
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tilmandoes firefox 50 not show link targets on hover?19:12
tilmanwtf is this retarded shit19:12
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pedjait does for me, tilman.any particular site?19:22
tilmanno19:24
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john_cephalopodaI still can remember when firefox 4 came out.19:31
john_cephalopodaIt was a big release with all the ads and big news and stuff.19:31
john_cephalopodaIn every computer magazine.19:32
pedjaIE-killer :)19:32
john_cephalopodaNow it's just annoying when they update the version again and it has to check for plugin compatibility at every startup.19:33
pedjaI don't have any plugins in FF19:33
john_cephalopodaI just don't get that fast update strategy.19:33
john_cephalopodaImo, major releases shouldn't be minor feature and bugfix releases.19:34
pedjaand, after every update, FF has .5% less share19:35
john_cephalopodaLinux is over 25 years old and it just reached 4.9.19:35
pedjabecause Linus doesn't care19:35
john_cephalopodagcc is around 5.x or 6.x, and it's older than Linux.19:36
pedjagcc is at 7.x, iirc19:36
john_cephalopodaStable is 6.2, 7.x is just a preview release.19:37
pedjayes19:37
john_cephalopodaAh, there it is: GNU is 29 years old.19:37
john_cephalopoda*GCC19:37
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pedjaafaict, versioning is one of the holy wars in IT19:38
john_cephalopodaHehe, yeah.19:39
pedjanext Crux release could be 3.3, or 42, or 9000, if the devs felt like it.It's arbitrary.19:40
pedjarelease with systemd/pam/selinux would be 666, I am pretty sure.19:43
john_cephalopodaDon't forget pulseaudio.19:44
john_cephalopodaThe best sound system when you want to mess up your whole sound setup. No other sound system can mess up that badly.19:45
pedjapulseaudio is in opt already :)19:45
john_cephalopodaIt should be in core for it's such an important thing ;þ19:47
john_cephalopodaWho needs gcc when you can have pulseaudio!19:47
pedjacore is just that, the minimal foundation to build the system on.19:48
pedjasomething like PAM is more suitable for it than PA.19:50
pedjaor systemd :)19:51
pedjaACTION runs19:52
john_cephalopodapedja: But a minimal system _needs_ PA!19:52
john_cephalopodaThere is so much unneeded stuff in core. Who even needs "gcc" or a libc? Also nobody ever uses ed. ;)19:54
pedjanever used it, so I can't comment (PA)19:54
pedjaed I tried (by typo).it was...interesting19:55
john_cephalopodaHmm, there's actually one weird thing in core. "lilo". Imo when there is lilo in there, grub and syslinux should also be.19:55
pedjalilo is there from the beginning of time :)19:56
john_cephalopodapedja: Enter in your terminal: "lynx gopher://uninformativ.de/0/txt/fun/ed.txt"19:56
pedjagopher.damn, it was a while since I last saw that.19:57
john_cephalopodaI recently started using it a bit more because I am online via mobile internet. 5KiB/s is not enough to display fancy websites, and websites usually look horrible in text mode.19:59
pedjapro tip: don't talk badly about lilo, frinnst will hunt you down and...do whatever a pissed Swede does.20:00
pedja5kb/s?what mobile internet is that?0.5G?20:03
john_cephalopodapedja: I only had 750MB of high-speed internet, now it's limited to 6.7KiB/s max.20:07
john_cephalopodapedja: Also I don't say anything against lilo, but when that one is in core, grub and syslinux should be, too.20:08
pedjaopen a bug on the FS, and make your case to the developers.They are, after all, reasonable people ;)20:11
pedjahere, iirc, after using monthly quota, mobile internet is throttled to ~25kb/s, or something like that.20:13
pedja6.7kb/s is just nuts.20:15
pedjaLet me guess, you live in the land of the free[tm]?20:16
john_cephalopodapedja: Nope.20:24
john_cephalopodapedja: But it rhymes with "free"20:24
john_cephalopoda∎∎∎∎∎∎∎∎∎∎∎∎∎∎∎∎∎∎20:25
john_cephalopoda:D20:25
john_cephalopodaGermany. We got horrible internet.20:25
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tilmanam i weird if i'm content with my 6 mbit/s connection?20:41
tilmanmight be getting old20:41
koriif its sufficient for your use case20:42
korithen no, youre not weird20:42
tilman\o/20:43
john_cephalopodaI got 12 mbit/s usually. It's just the right speed.20:46
john_cephalopodaI can watch 720p videos on youtube perfectly fine with that speed.20:47
john_cephalopoda360p looks crappy on my monitor.20:47
tilmanbuy better monitor20:49
john_cephalopodatilman: I got a full HD monitor. Things under 720p start to look pixelated. Also the algorithm in the video codec that compresses things starts to get some very ugly artifacts at 360p.20:54
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.2]: thunderbird: updated to 45.5.021:19
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jaegerpedja: looks like 375.20 is official now22:18
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pedjaI'll wait for you to push it to opt, jaeger , for once :)22:31
jaegerI'll test it this evening after work22:31
pedjado you happen to know if it builds with 4.9?or is it too early to tell?there are 3(?) more weeks until 4.9 drops.22:33
jaegerNo idea, I pretty much only use longterm kernels22:33
pedjaah.OK.22:34
jaegerevery now and then new kernels blow up in annoying ways :)22:35
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pedja4.7.x was weird, 4.8.x i snot so bad :)22:43
pedjawas*22:43
pedjaguestfs-test-tool does work a little weird with either (random temporary freezes).22:46
pedjanothing much in the logs, though, mostly kvm-related chatter22:46
pedjanew gnupg is out.'Old bugs gone, new bugs surely added.'22:50
pedja(paraphrasing their Twitter account)22:52
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.2]: nvidia: updated to version 375.2023:34
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.2]: nvidia-32: updated to version 375.2023:34
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