IRC Logs for #crux Friday, 2016-11-25

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emmett1guys..why my dwm statusbar cant display icon?04:03
emmett1i try awesome font and ohsnap font04:03
emmett1even terminus font not work04:04
emmett1right now i using modified terminus font to make dwm display terminus font properly04:04
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jaegerjoacim: nice :)04:27
jaegeremmett1: no idea here, I've no experience with dwm04:27
emmett1jaeger, ok then its okay04:29
emmett1are u using any wm?04:29
emmett1with icon on statusbar?04:30
jaegerI use mate sometimes, i3 sometimes04:30
jaegerin i3, icons from font-awesome work04:30
emmett1im gonna try i3 then too see04:31
jaeger <-- for example04:31
emmett1very simple04:32
emmett1do u know which package control font?04:33
emmett1i want to compare it with arch or gentoo04:33
jaegerfreetype, fontconfig04:33
emmett1maybe i gotta do some patching04:33
jaegersome people like the -iu variants04:33
emmett1-iu variants?04:34
jaeger <-- from here, I believe04:34
emmett1owh infinality04:35
emmett1i've read it at arch wiki but not try it yet04:35
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emmett1jaeger, icon now works on my dwm statusbar :D05:51
emmett1i forgot to export locale05:52
jaegerWhat was the problem?05:52
jaegerAh :)05:52
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emmett1but terminus font still not work05:54
emmett1anyway modified terminus font works so its fine by me :)05:55
jaegervery odd05:55
emmett1terminus font and icon work well in arch05:55
emmett1in gentoo terminus not work but icon work05:55
emmett1just like in crux05:56
jaegermaybe the arch version is modified somehow05:56
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guest__I'm trying to set up my pc with the amdgpu driver but as soon as the kernel loads, it boots into a black screen and my display says "No input". Any idea how I could resolve that?07:10
tilman1.) compile amdgpu as a module07:10
tilman2.) don't load it automatically07:11
tilman3.) ssh into the machine and run "modprobe amdgpu"07:11
tilman4.) check dmesg for errors and hints07:11
frinnstguest__: update linux-firmware07:28
guest__Have to run make oldconfig real quick, noticed that something didn't work with the ethernet07:34
frinnstlinux-firmware is a port - you can find it in opt07:36
frinnstprt-get install linux-firmware07:36
frinnstthe amdgpu kernel driver depends on it07:37
frinnstor you'll get a black screen :)07:37
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guest__Ok, apparently it really had to do with linux-firmware. Reinstalled the whole thing and now it suddenly loads07:55
guest__Now I just need to get startx working and then I'm set, thanks!07:57
frinnstit might have "sort of" worked with the older firmware and older kernels08:11
frinnstbut new kernels might depend on other stuff only available in newer firmware08:11
guest__Ok, Xorg is throwing errors now. "Fiji is not a recognised processor for this target" and then it starts backtracking08:12
frinnstwhat driver is throwing the error? amdgpu or radeon?08:14
guest__Trying to use the amdgpu08:14
frinnsti'd uninstall xorg-xf86-video-ati just to make sure08:14
frinnst(prt-get remove xorg-xf86-video-ati)08:15
guest__Ok, packages removed08:15
guest__Still won't start, let me check the log08:18
guest__Apparently xorg still tried to load the modules ati and fbdev08:18
guest__And as soon as AMDGPU is setting the screen physical size it starts backtracking and at the end it says "Caught signal 11 (Segmentation fault). Server avborting"08:19
][_R_][Check for stray xorg config bits?08:19
guest__The config directory only has my keyboard configs in them08:20
frinnstinstall wgetpaste and use that to publish the log08:22
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frinnstyeah i dont think you have a problem with the xorg drivers per se08:27
frinnsthave you ever run a "prt-get sysup" ?08:28
frinnst(EE) 3: /usr/lib/../lib/ (_ZNK4llvm3EVT16isExtendedVectorEv+0x4) [0x7fd54b727b84]08:28
guest__Once in the beginning08:28
frinnstcurrent version is 3.908:29
guest__Set up everything yesterday08:29
frinnstah ok. then there might be some broke libraries08:29
guest__Going to run it real quick08:29
frinnstinstall prt-utils and then run "revdep" to find broken stuff08:29
guest__Might be that something didn't go right because I. had the initial problems with the linux-firmware too08:29
frinnst"prt-get depinst prt-utils && revdep"08:30
guest__revdep only says firefox08:32
guest__Going to run "prt-get sysup" once and wait until that finishes08:33
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frinnstwe generally try NOT to break abi compatability when possible. but we do sometimes. it might be confusing for new users08:36
frinnstbut if you subscribe to the mailinglist you'll be notified when that happens.08:36
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frinnstwhen you upgrade to a major xorg-server version you'll need to rebuild the drivers too. the most common are xorg-xf86-input-evdev and xorg-xf86-video-<whatever>08:37
guest__Ok, subscribed to the mailing list08:43
guest__After the sysup is done, I will check which xorg version I'm on and how to rebuild it08:44
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frinnstI fucking hate linux sometimes09:28
frinnstwhy the fuck does my entire system just slow to a craaawl when copying files to usb?09:28
frinnstload average: 8.81, 4.23, 1.8309:29
abenzdisable caching09:46
guest__When I'm searching through the crux ports, how do I know which port to use? Just check the Packagefiles or is there something else?09:52
abenzany particular example or generally?09:54
abenzprt-get info <port> usually tells info needed09:54
abenzor are you talking about the portdb ?09:55
guest__Was talking about the port browser on the website09:55
guest__Was looking for weechat09:55
guest__And there are 2 with the latest version09:55
guest__In the 6c37 and Joacim collection09:56
abenzthose are non official ports so there's no preference, both maintained by trusted members.. so you can choose whichever..09:57
abenzits the crux culture that you eventually have a port repo somewhere, so all those ports reflect that :)09:57
guest__Oh ok :)09:59
guest__Think I learned more about linux and the system in the last few days than in the last year using debian09:59
abenzlikewise :)10:03
frinnstwho in their right mind would trust joacim ?10:11
frinnst<evil grin>10:11
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Romsterprt-get readme xorg-server11:04
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donatoIs there a bashrc in crux? Want to enable tab completion for the user and change the prompt12:46
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emmett1donato, create it on your own12:51
emmett1PS1="\n\[$(tput setaf 6)\][ \[$(tput setaf 7)\]\u \[$(tput setaf 6)\]] \[$(tput setaf 6)\][ \[$(tput setaf 5)\]\w \[$(tput setaf 6)\]]\n\[$(tput setaf 3)\]>>> \[$(tput sgr0)\]"12:52
emmett1create and put this in your ~/.bashrc12:53
donatoIt literally prints \u instead of the user13:04
emmett1i wonder why13:14
emmett1it just work for me13:14
donatoWill have to try that when I'm home again. Still thanks13:16
emmett1yeah sure ^^13:17
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frinnst~/.bashrc is never read by bash14:34
frinnstit should be .bash_profile14:35
frinnstmost distributions source .bashrc from just .bash_profile - or they have set some global variable to explicitly use .bashrc14:35
emmett1but i dont have bash_profile14:36
emmett1i just have bashrc14:36
emmett1but it just work fine14:36
frinnstorly? guess bash looks for both these days then14:37
frinnstthere you go14:38
emmett1maybe its new version of bash14:38
emmett1i dont know about old version14:38
frinnstor my memory is failing me14:38
emmett1bcoz i just start using linux not until 1 year yet14:39
emmett1i dont understand what arch wiki said about interactive thing14:42
emmett1maybe its the different between bash and bash_profile14:42
emmett1btw, where should put 'export' part?14:43
emmett1like 'export LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8'14:44
emmett1in ~/.xinitrc or ~/.bashrc or ~/.bash_profile?14:44
frinnstif you just want it for your current user . in your bashrc. you could set it in /etc/profile to make it more system wide14:44
emmett1or anything14:44
frinnstalso dont use LC_ALL - its not recommended14:45
frinnstuse LANG=en_US.UTF-814:45
emmett1owhh i see14:46
emmett1i got LC_ALL from crux wiki14:46
emmett1i will change then14:46
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emmett1put LANG=en_US.UTF-8 into .bashrc or in /etc/profile kind of not working for me14:55
emmett1it work if i put into .xinitrc14:55
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pedjainteresting spamassasin replacement (it can use SA rules)
pedjaC/Lua might be faster than Perl :)15:29
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jaegerI've been thinking about setting that up to test it vs. dspam15:35
jaegerI still use dspam, even though it's mostly dead15:35
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john_cephalopodaI suddenly got  problems with my x11 O_o15:36
pedjajaeger, you even get nice HTML5 GUI for free :)15:40
darfofrinnst: see if you USB is mounted with sync option. It really slows mine system down on large file copies.15:57
darfoI mount -o remount,async /media/sdb1 to get around it but have to be carefull to unmount before yanking the USB drive.15:57
frinnstno its not mounted with sync15:58
frinnstbut the actual process of writing data to the device kills everything. Looks like a MM issue15:59
darfoI'm on kernel 4.7.016:00
darfoCopy to USB eats most of one thread and top shows wait time at 47-50%16:02
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.2]: hpcups: update 3.16.1116:56
cruxbot[opt.git/3.2]: tcsh: update to 6.20.0016:56
cruxbot[opt.git/3.2]: chrony: run the daemon as system user chrony16:56
cruxbot[core.git/3.2]: tzdata: update to 2016j16:56
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joacimjaeger: might just turn the current pc into a watercooling project when i upgrade to a newer socket17:00
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jaegersounds like a good plan :)17:02
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Owl_I'm not able to get efistub to work. Is it even worth the hastle?18:08
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Owl_Idk, maybe i'm just stupid..18:10
jaegernot if it's giving you trouble... just use elilo, or syslinux, or grub218:10
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Owl_Alrightey, is elilo still good?18:11
jaegerI think it's been abandoned but should still work18:11
retardi use efistub18:17
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retardthe most annoying part is efibootmgr18:17
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Owl_Wait.. I may be dumb, in my fstab do i mount my efi partition to /boot/efi or /boot18:23
Owl_its /boot/efi right..18:26
jaegershouldn't really matter. I use /boot/efi18:28
Owl_this is harder than it should be then.18:28
Owl_I don't think i'm smart enough for crux.19:52
jaegerhave you looked at the UEFI wiki page? Might be of help19:53
pedjaAutopsy is a fiddly beast...19:56
pedjais 'cannot find symbol' in Java an equivalent to missing include, or something like that?19:57
SitriNo, C has those too, but that is usually the root cause.  (In C, it's from failing to link something)20:00
Owl_Oh that uefi page is my bible20:00
SitriActually, it's not usually the root cause.  In Java it's the same thing, you're missing the class in your CLASSPATH20:01
Owl_im angery20:03
john_cephalopodaLol, netctl is so crappy. Just had big issues connecting to my network with my arch laptop. Decided to just use wpa_supplicant and dhcpcd like I do in CRUX. Works out-of-the-box :D20:06
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SitriThat's pottering code right?  Perpetual alpha.20:11
john_cephalopodaNot sure.20:13
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john_cephalopodaSitri: Looks like it is an archlinux project.20:13
SitriDepends on systemd20:14
SitriAs far as I care same taint.20:14
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john_cephalopodaThe worst combination is systemd and pulseaudio. Those two are both Poettering projects and interact in mysterious and evil ways.20:15
SitriACTION shudders at whatever sadomaschist sets that combo up20:17
john_cephalopodaQuite some distros already use pulseaudio by default. I have no clue why. My experience was that it just brings problems.20:21
jaegerI use it. I don't use a lot of its featuresm, just like having the ability to control volume from apps separately, switch between outputs easily, etc.20:23
john_cephalopodajaeger: Pretty much all of the applications that output sound in my system got a separate volume slider built-in. Games, media players, even music websites.20:24
SitriACTION has nothing but problems from using distro supplied pulseadio, no incentive to set it up himself20:24
john_cephalopodaFor switching audio input/output I only got the scenario of recording something in audacity, but it has that built-in already. And for other recording/playback scenarios I'd use jack.20:26
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jaegernice to have options. :)20:26
john_cephalopodaWell, pulse once broke my whole audio setup, so I'm probably a bit biased :รพ20:30
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jaegerI've had one or two bad experiences with it in the past but it seems fine now for my uses20:31
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SitriMy experiences with pulse on slackware: noticible 10 second audio delay.  Experiences with pulse on fedora: worked fine so long as you used GDM to get into Gnome.  If you changed your WM or stopped using GDM pulse wouldn't start, and I couldn't discover whatever arcane command it wanted to be able to start.20:33
SitriAlso IIRC invoking the daemon without any arguments got you 3 pages of text instead20:36
john_cephalopodaSome years back pulse was really horrible. I think they got the latency problems pretty much fixed though.20:36
john_cephalopodaHmm, something is broken in some ports.20:38
john_cephalopoda/usr/ports/contrib/vlc tells me MISSING   -rw-r--r--      root/root       usr/share/kde4/apps/solid/actions/vlc-openbd.desktop20:38
SitriLooks like it might be expecting KDE4 to be installed?20:39
john_cephalopodaYep. That shouldn't be expected though.20:41
john_cephalopoda"You want to install VLC? I'm sure you'd also love KDE, try it out!" :D20:44
SitriKDE4 specifically20:44
john_cephalopodaThe best KDE. ;320:44
pedjaSitri, my mistake was not reading the docs :) Autopsy depends on specific version of sleuthkit to build.20:53
SitriFair enough :)20:53
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pedjaand I was using develop branches for both, which is, for a lack of the better word, stupid :)20:54
pedjait reminds me of the vulkan-sdk, which is also very picky.20:56
frinnstI used pulseaudio when I ran rhel6 as a desktop at work a few years ago20:57
frinnstthe volume cold be described in two ways: whisper quiet or deafening20:57
pedjaso it works only for teenagers and old people?20:58
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pedjaso, after I built Autopsy, all nicely packaged, instead of moving the zip somewhere nice, I nuked it along with the working directory.Ups.21:48
pedjabut, since it's still mostly broken on Linux, that's not a big deal.21:52
john_cephalopodaRomster: Oh, btw, your "ecm" port is broken. The download link doesn't work.22:19
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