IRC Logs for #crux Tuesday, 2016-11-29

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Worksterdlcusa, i try to keep all the source files encountered in crux
Worksterif anything is missing and you can find the source for it i'll add it.00:14
john_cephalopodaI don't get it... My android phone doesn't always show up in the network stats.00:20
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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.2]: wg: initial import01:10
john_cephalopodaOkay, netdiscover works way better at discovering stuff than nmap.01:14
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brian|lfsso get home turn my computer on and Xorg didn't like my Nvidia drivers it said theyw ere to old01:59
brian|lfsso updated them and stepped out came home to a frozen system turns out had to recompile evdev xorg-keyboard and xorg-mouse lol01:59
jaegersounds like you updated xorg-server - that generally requires rebuilds of all your input and video drivers if there's an ABI change02:00
brian|lfspretty much what happened02:01
brian|lfscould of been an xorg-server update I"m on CRUX-3.302:01
brian|lfsI'm surprised no one merged mesa-32 to 3.3 yet02:01
jaegerIt and llvm-32 need some work, probably02:02
brian|lfsI was away for 5 days on the west coast for thanksgiving02:03
brian|lfsnot a fan of leaving my computers on if I"m not home02:03
brian|lfsexspecially this one that's water cooled02:03
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dlcusaRomster, that's not the issue.  We were talking about associating port and build information with package files.02:10
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donatoI tried installing sublime and I can start is as root but I can't start is as non-root user. Do I need to add the non-root to one of the groups or what could be the problem?07:39
ryu0frinnst: sublime text08:02
donatosublime text08:02
donatoJust noticed that it could be something with a wrong chmod08:02
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.2]: sqlite3: update to 3.15.212:32
cruxbot[opt.git/3.2]: stunnel: update to 5.3812:32
cruxbot[opt.git/3.2]: cups-filters: update to 1.12.012:32
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.2]: mupdf: update to 1.10a13:26
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john_cephalopodaHmm, what was the command again, with which I can find out to which port a file belongs?13:44
onoderaI think...13:46
onoderaoh wait13:47
onoderaprt-get fsearch13:47
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donatoI can't seem to figure out why I can start a installed program (sublime under /opt/sublime) as a root but not as a non-root user. The chmod is set right19:15
frinnstwhat happens when you run it?19:24
donatoI run the command and nothing opens19:24
donatoWhen I run it as root, the program opens19:24
frinnstyou could "strace /path/to/sublime" or whatnot19:24
frinnstit would probably tell you what happens19:24
donatoHave to install strace real quick19:26
frinnstSublime Text may be downloaded and evaluated for free, however a license must be purchased for continued use.19:27
SitriThat's normal19:27
frinnstyou should ask them why it doesnt work19:27
donatoThe output from strace is the same for root and the non root user19:32
donatoDo I need to add some group for non root users to run programs under Xorg?19:33
john_cephalopodaI saw Sublime a few times but I'm confused by the license. Why purchase a text editor when I can get emacs, vim, geany, vi, ed, nano, gedit, kate, leafpad and a few hundred more text editors for free?19:33
donatoYou don't need to purchase it, if you can live with the popup every now and then19:34
john_cephalopodaSo it's shareware like that extraction tool that nobody ever bought?19:35
tilmanwhat extraction tool? :)19:35
john_cephalopodaI think winrar.19:35
frinnstor winzip?19:35
tilmanthat was my 1st thought too19:36
donatoWinrar it is19:36
tilmanbut calling it extraction tool felt a bit weird :p19:36
frinnstdonato: just downloaded and ran it; works here19:37
frinnstthough I feel dirty for even starting it up19:37
donatoDid you change the chmod or did you just unpack it and ran ln  -s for the usr bin?19:37
frinnstjust unpacked the tarball and ran it: ./sublime_text19:38
donatoDownloaded it again and tried to run it and still nothing19:39
tilmanif it runs as root you don't need to download it again19:41
cruxbot[opt.git/3.2]: dbus: updated to 1.10.1419:41
cruxbot[opt.git/3.2]: [notify] firefox: updated to 50.0.1. Fix for CVE-2016-907819:41
donatoThere is no special group I needed to add the user to in order to execute those programs, is there? alsamixer didn't work either until I added the user to the audio group19:42
frinnstalsamixer needs to access your audio hardware19:43
frinnstcrw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 10 nov 29 08:56 controlC019:43
frinnstif you just unpack the tarball in your homedir and run it from there? does it work then?19:43
donatoJust tried that, doesn't work either19:44
frinnstcan you pastebin the strace maybe?19:44
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donatoAnd the root one:
donatoLooks like it's executing sublime but only not showing it19:50
frinnstand you dont have 2 screens but one is turned off or anything like that?19:55
donatoNo only the screen I'm using right now19:56
donatoBut programs that I installed over prt-get open just fine19:58
frinnstwhy cant i ever spell recieve/receive correctly?20:23
frinnst"why isnt btrfs send working?"20:23
frinnsti should alias it to "btrfs skicka" "btrfs ta emot"20:25
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frinnstTHATS FUCKING CORRECT (in swedish)20:43
frinnstfuck that Erwin guy20:44
tilmani before e20:45
tilmanexcept where it don't20:45
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tilmanfrinnst: actually that rule might help you:
tilmanshould be pretty hard to forget how to spell "weird" :)20:47
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jaegeron weekends and holidays...20:47
tilmani only know that rule because we once had a student teacher from canada visit our english class in 12 grade. for some reason she misspelled "wierd" on the black board (to our amusement) and she wouldn't believe she got it wrong, quoting the rule :D20:54
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jaegerheh, nice20:58
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Pastildahi, i don't (yet) crux user, just want to know - is there possible per-package tuning (like use flags in gentoo) so it dont gonna loose with port updates? dont see anything like that in handbook21:01
frinnstnope, not really21:02
Pastildaclear enough, thx21:02
frinnstfor what its worth, personally i havent felt a need for it either21:03
frinnstthere are a handful of ports that i've forked because i want different configure options etc and its not that hard to maintain those21:03
Pastildamaybe, i can imagine all my system with all my gcc and configure per-package, and then it's LFS21:04
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Pastildasry for my eng, bye21:06
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RomsterPastilda, pretty much fork the Pkgfile in it's own directory under the same name and pout a prtdir line above that in /etc/prt-get.conf pointing to your collection.21:07
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druid_droidI start receiving emails with crux 3.3 version WOW, congratz all and thanks...21:38
druid_droidHope this time I have a better "upgrade" last time it took me so much time to get the system configured/running again :)21:39
druid_droidI hope I have learned XD, backup, make a list of installed ports, reinstall everything, re-configure everything using backup configurations (diff configs)21:40
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abenzACTION checks website22:18
abenz3.2 is still current, you running an RC release druid_droid ?22:18
pedjaI think he means notify emails to the mailing list.22:27
pedjathe actual 3.3 release is, as always, on 'when it's ready' schedule :)22:30
frinnstwhy the fuck would you reinstall everything?22:35
frinnstACTION is running on the same install since 2.6 or something22:36
onoderafrinnst: I always do that :)22:37
onoderaforces me to backup, cleans up my system, allows me to make major changes like a different fs22:37
onoderas/to backup/to test my backup/22:37
abenzlikewise.. I need to resize my home partition22:38
abenzwaiting for 3.3 to do that :)22:39
frinnstdont you have more than one harddrive?22:39
abenzyes but most are mechanical :/22:39
abenzI meant ALL are mechanical except the system drive22:39
frinnstso just use it as temporary storage22:39
frinnstcopy everything sans root to temp storage, boot it, resize the old systemdisk, copy back22:40
abenztouche frinnst , but I figured there must be "lint" somewhere that needs clean up.. why not just flush?22:42
abenzI understand its not windows but some of us need something to OCD about..22:42
frinnsteverything is tracked by ports - more or less22:43
john_cephalopodaI started with 3.1 and the upgrade to 3.2 ran well.22:43
frinnstim almost tempted to remove every port/package from a installed system just to show you what will remain :-)22:43
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frinnststuff in /boot, /var/log and some user generated files in /etc22:44
john_cephalopodafrinnst: Also a ton of stuff in /home ;)22:46
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frinnstwindows has ruined an entire generation :-)22:46
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john_cephalopodaI bought myself a second-hand Lenovo T-61 and put Archlinux on it. My brother got a brand new Dell laptop with Win7 at the same time. My computer was slower, of course, because of the old hardware. One or two months later, mine was faster. :D22:50
john_cephalopodaUnfortunately the graphics of the T-61 broke and I had to throw it away.22:50
abenzwindows has to be wiped and reinstalled22:50
abenzno cleanup software will ever mitigate that22:50
abenzits by design.. just like you have to make own port in crux on day :)22:51
abenzpart of the culture to format it22:51
pedjaI made my first Crux port in 2004.22:53
pedjadamn, how time flies22:53
frinnstoh wow, that early?22:53
frinnstwhat version was current then?22:53
pedja1.x something, I think22:54
frinnstlong before my time22:54
Anselmowhat did you port?22:54
pedjaI started to use Crux when Per was still around :)22:54
pedjalet me check22:55
john_cephalopodaWow. Crux-3.2 was released at 2015-11-22 ... over one year ago!22:55
frinnstI started just when he left22:55
john_cephalopodaAnd I remember switching versions, that means I've been using CRUX on my main PC for over a year O_o22:55
pedjabin2iso was my first port22:56
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Worksterdruid_droid, what i did last time was remove all my built packages rebuilt everything on my system, moved that to a new directory. and backup my configuration in /etc and ~/.config before doing the crux upgrade. that way if it goes pear shaped you can boot the crux iso and pkgadd the old packages.23:36
Worksteronodera, romster/pkg-not makes it easy to find files not tracked by the package manager.23:41
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