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| SiFuh | any GUI CD/DVD burning tools in ports? | 06:48 |
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| nwe | SiFuh: k3b (kde) | 06:52 |
| SiFuh | dislike kde | 06:52 |
| abenz | CD/DVD? oldtimer :) | 06:54 |
| abenz | in recent 2 years, I don't recall any of the people around me that actually bought an optical drive! | 06:54 |
| tilman | ACTION recently bought an optical usb drive to rip CDs | 06:54 |
| abenz | bluray would be nice for long term storage I reckon | 06:55 |
| SiFuh | I have an external blueray burner that I recently purchased :-( | 06:55 |
| abenz | ACTION googles prices of bluray discs | 06:56 |
| abenz | last time I checked they were prohibitively expensive | 06:57 |
| abenz | very cheap now! | 06:58 |
| SiFuh | probably cause everyone uses USB Flashdrives | 06:58 |
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| SiFuh | Can't believe no one made a port for cplay :-) | 08:27 |
| frinnst | I cant believe you cant believe that :> | 08:42 |
| SiFuh | :-P | 08:42 |
| frinnst | geez. my retroproject will get very expensive | 08:43 |
| frinnst | http://amigastore.eu/en/search?orderby=position&orderway=desc&search_query=double+scan | 08:43 |
| frinnst | i need lots of "little bits" and everything is like 5-10EUR and a few "nice to have" are 150EUR | 08:44 |
| SiFuh | I have a commodore 64SX stashed away | 08:44 |
| frinnst | nice. never owned the c64 | 08:44 |
| SiFuh | can't find anyone to take it from me | 08:45 |
| frinnst | why not hook it up again? :) | 08:45 |
| SiFuh | kind of useless since the 5 1/4 floppy disks are screwed, i have no cartridges, and only a programmers manual | 08:46 |
| frinnst | I could so easily spend 1000EUR+ on this crap :) | 08:50 |
| SiFuh | i'd spend it on a Honda VTR 1000 Firestorm | 09:05 |
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| frinnst | i'd kill myself so fast with a bike like that | 10:12 |
| SiFuh | haha slow down copper | 10:13 |
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| OxFEEDBACC | k... everything went fine so far, following https://crux.nu/Main/Handbook3-2 ... i'm at the point in the installation process where i'm supposed to install grub, but there is neither grub-install nor grub-mkconfig... | 10:59 |
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| OxFEEDBACC | any hints on how i can get grub into this session? pkgadd? i'm not sure what steps are necessary... | 11:01 |
| OxFEEDBACC | "If you missed/forgot to install certain packages, you can just mount the CRUX installation media and use pkgadd to install them" | 11:02 |
| donato | Did you install the grub packages during the setup? | 11:02 |
| frinnst | are you booting the install iso now? | 11:02 |
| OxFEEDBACC | obviously i didn't ;-) | 11:02 |
| OxFEEDBACC | i'm in a live session from the iso, yes... | 11:02 |
| frinnst | you can add it manually - easiest is probably to copy the package to your chroot (/mnt) | 11:02 |
| OxFEEDBACC | so, how do i mount the installation media? | 11:02 |
| frinnst | the install media is already mounted | 11:02 |
| OxFEEDBACC | but pkgadd doesn't seem to find /var/lib/pkg... | 11:03 |
| frinnst | dont remember the path off hand, but probably somwhere like /crux/opt/grub2#... | 11:03 |
| frinnst | just copy it to the chroot and in the chroot pkgadd it | 11:04 |
| OxFEEDBACC | okay, pkgadd doesn't find it in the chroot... and inside it says "could not determine name and/or version of grub: Invalid package name" | 11:04 |
| frinnst | if you try to pkgadd it from the livecd root you'll need some extra flags - "pkgadd -r /mnt/ <grubpackage> | 11:05 |
| frinnst | you need to specify the filename completely | 11:05 |
| frinnst | grub2#2.02-beta3-1.pkg.tar.xz for example | 11:05 |
| OxFEEDBACC | okay... | 11:06 |
| frinnst | so: when in the livecd: cp /crux/opt/grub2#xxx /mnt/root; chroot /mnt - pkgadd /root/grub2#... | 11:07 |
| OxFEEDBACC | do i always need to specify the full path with pkg add? | 11:08 |
| frinnst | yes, but you normally dont use pkgadd manually that often on an installed system | 11:09 |
| frinnst | prt-get is better to use day to day | 11:09 |
| OxFEEDBACC | yes, sure... | 11:09 |
| frinnst | prt-get is a frontend with dependency handling: "prt-get depinst grub2" | 11:10 |
| frinnst | *lunch* | 11:14 |
| OxFEEDBACC | ya, but first i must get the system to run ;-) | 11:14 |
| OxFEEDBACC | have a sweet meal... | 11:14 |
| OxFEEDBACC | i hope i'll figure it out meanwhile... | 11:14 |
| frinnst | just switch to a new VT, pkgadd -r /mnt /crux/opt/grub2#<version> | 11:15 |
| OxFEEDBACC | no idea how to switch to another VT in qemu, but exiting/entering the chroot should work as well, right? | 11:16 |
| frinnst | ah, yes | 11:16 |
| OxFEEDBACC | what is this "grub-bios-setup: warning: File system `ext2' doesn't support embedding. Grub can only be [...] using blocklists. [...] their use is discouraged.." and "error: will not proceed with blocklists." about? | 11:26 |
| OxFEEDBACC | i've seen that with another distro already (don't exactly remember which, though)... | 11:27 |
| ryu0 | OxFEEDBACC: what's your disk label? | 11:27 |
| OxFEEDBACC | gpt | 11:29 |
| ryu0 | OxFEEDBACC: ah. BIOS mode? if so, you need a bios boot partition. | 11:29 |
| OxFEEDBACC | aha.... | 11:30 |
| OxFEEDBACC | trying... | 11:30 |
| OxFEEDBACC | huh... suddenly my backspace doesn't work as expected... prints space instead of backspace :-/ | 11:37 |
| OxFEEDBACC | so, BIOS boot partition does not work on GPT? | 11:39 |
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| ryu0 | OxFEEDBACC: it's only needed for GPT BIOS mode. | 11:46 |
| ryu0 | OxFEEDBACC: in DOS, you need to have enough space before the first partition for grub2 to embed itself. | 11:46 |
| OxFEEDBACC | no DOS here... and the point is that finally, when migrating from qemu to hardware, i'll face the situation that there is already a grub installed, and i don't know yet, how i could merge that setup with a new one, so i'm trying to start cautiously by not overwriting the MBR... | 11:48 |
| OxFEEDBACC | the old one uses legacy grub, btw... | 11:50 |
| OxFEEDBACC | i wonder why on other systems (apparently every system but mine) gives the warnings i quoted above, but not the final error... | 11:51 |
| OxFEEDBACC | as in http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/174206/ | 11:52 |
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| OxFEEDBACC | k... "GRUB loading." --- i wonder how long that will take... :-/ | 12:27 |
| OxFEEDBACC | i. e. starting over... | 12:27 |
| SiFuh | if D-Bus had a face, I would shoot it with a 306 | 12:54 |
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| frinnst | awesome, external developer got cranky when i suggested using a LIVE ERP database for a PoC was a bad idea | 13:11 |
| SiFuh | did he design D-Bus :-P ?? | 13:12 |
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| OxFEEDBACC | or grub2? | 13:15 |
| SiFuh | haha | 13:16 |
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| OxFEEDBACC | well, my spontaneous idea would be that the {sh,c}ould have made provisions for boot loaders... i mean they have BIOS boot, linux extended boot, efi system partition and whatnot... why not just make a bootloader-reserved type which can be fully customized to a loader's liking? | 13:29 |
| OxFEEDBACC | s/that the/that they/ | 13:30 |
| OxFEEDBACC | *in GPT... | 13:31 |
| frinnst | you can boot gpt from bios | 13:31 |
| frinnst | requires a compat. flag though | 13:31 |
| frinnst | if you are just installing to try out, why not just run lilo on mbr disks? | 13:32 |
| OxFEEDBACC | yeah, that's what i'm doing right now... but sooner or later i must find a way to integrate... | 13:32 |
| OxFEEDBACC | and booting gpt from bios is just one special case... they deal with booting as if it'd not be substantial... k, i usually only boot my boxes every 3 months or so, but when i do, i cordially wish it to work... preferably quirkless... | 13:34 |
| frinnst | for whats its worth, boot issues are not the top10 issues people in #crux usually have :) | 13:38 |
| OxFEEDBACC | don't misunderstand me... i'm not associating that with crux... i'm speaking generally here... | 13:39 |
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| ryu0 | frinnst: that flag is only needed by syslinux from what i remember. | 13:43 |
| ryu0 | grub2 will boot just fine, just need a bios boot partition. | 13:43 |
| frinnst | iirc I had to do it with grub2 too | 13:43 |
| ryu0 | and then there's the possibility of BIOS bugs. | 13:43 |
| frinnst | my boot disk is pure gpt | 13:43 |
| frinnst | but i might be wrong, was a few years ago since i set it up | 13:43 |
| ryu0 | HP laptops in particular will only boot if the fake partition of the MBR is marked bootable. | 13:44 |
| OxFEEDBACC | 'nother question: has anyone ever approached to port the Trinity Desktop Environment, the successor of the classical KDE 3? (trinitydesktop.org) | 13:48 |
| SiFuh | I didn't know KDE as ever being successful let alone have a successor | 13:49 |
| SiFuh | times up.. pulseaudio and d-bus can wait another day | 13:49 |
| OxFEEDBACC | nice pun :-p | 13:49 |
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| abenz | pulse audio? I thought everyone used alsa these days.. | 15:08 |
| frinnst | some things depend on it | 15:08 |
| OxFEEDBACC | has alsa added native network support recently? | 15:13 |
| frinnst | no | 15:13 |
| rmull | pulse seems like a requirement for bluetooth audio fwiw | 15:23 |
| rmull | via bluez | 15:23 |
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| SiFuh | abenz: everyone but skype | 16:46 |
| SiFuh | anyways forget it, i will cry about it within a few days when i try again | 16:52 |
| abenz | I gave up on compat-32 and wine and that stuff | 16:53 |
| abenz | windows stuff, inside a VM.. | 16:53 |
| abenz | as intended | 16:53 |
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| cruxbot | [xorg.git/3.2]: libinput: update to 1.5.3 | 17:44 |
| cruxbot | [xorg.git/3.2]: xorg-xf86-video-intel: update to git version as of 20161206 | 17:44 |
| SiFuh | abenz: I suppose, you are right, I can always skype on my phone. | 17:50 |
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| pedja | 'Please press button to enter failsafe'.Aaaand...fuck all happens. | 21:08 |
| pedja | It is clear now that I should've bribed someone to solder a serial port on this thing. | 21:11 |
| joacim | i wouldnt mind a current laptop with a serial port tbh | 21:15 |
| joacim | in place of the vga port | 21:15 |
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