IRC Logs for #crux Sunday, 2016-12-11

darfodid you build your kernel with Low-Latency Desktop?00:38
darfoIt at Processor type and features > Preemption Model00:39
darfoie .config should have CONFIG_PREEMPT=y00:40
darfo170m37.874s to compile gcc with 1GB RAM and 7200 rpm IDE drive00:41
darfoI think this should replace a single core 800MHz Intel Katmai nicely00:42
darfoIt only has 768MB RAM.00:43
darfoIf it weren't for old junkers I'd have no infrastructure at all :p00:43
ryu0darfo: cash for junkers? :)00:45
darfo:D01:35
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joacimkatmai? what do you have now?02:06
joacimoh. some athlon02:06
joacimalways thought my coppermines were pretty comfortable online with the right software02:09
joacimgot enough old hardware here. i'll manage if my current desktop dies02:10
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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.2]: ffmpeg: 3.1.5 -> 3.2.2 reduced number of dependencies for encoders, and made them soft-dependencies07:50
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.2]: fdk-aac: initial commit07:50
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.2]: ffmpeg-compat: 2.8.7 -> 2.8.8 reduced number of dependencies for encoders07:50
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.2]: requests: 2.9.1 -> 2.12.307:50
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.2]: futures: 3.0.3 -> 3.0.507:50
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.2]: streamlink: initial commit, this is a fork for unmaintained livestreamer07:50
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aixdamn everything's so glitchy11:53
aixhonestly considering moving back to arch11:53
SiFuhthis if graphics display?12:08
aixthe what?12:09
SiFuhYour glitchiness is your graphics display?12:10
john_cephalopodaaix: I just came from Arch because I had troubles with a game. The game works perfectly well on Crux though.12:12
aixyes12:12
aixhow ironic12:12
aixbut yeah12:12
aixi have loads of wierd inexplicable glitches12:12
aixlike for instance the cursor theme doesn't load on login12:12
john_cephalopodaaix: What's your graphics chip?12:12
aixand the top tint2 bar overlays some programs unless i rehash it12:13
aixit's a 73012:13
aixgeforce gt-73012:13
john_cephalopodanvida or nouveau??12:13
aixworked fine on arch and void12:13
aixnvidis12:13
aixnvidia*12:13
aixsee on arch everything just worked12:13
aixi found that boring12:13
aixbut it turns out i ain't good enough to fix it this time12:13
john_cephalopodaCursor themes not loading and a bar overlaying stuuff soundns like misconfiguration in the DE/WM.12:14
john_cephalopodaaix: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/tint212:14
SiFuhwith X-Plane 10 settings set to insane.. I noticed a millisecond pause in the display every few seconds.. Ironing it out now but modifying kernel parameters12:14
aixsee everyone links to the arch wiki12:16
aixhey wait you're john_minetest right12:16
aixman it's a small world12:16
aixbut yeah, if i can manage to iron out these glitches today i'll stick with arch12:17
aixbut if i do reinstall, i have to start in the next hour or so to be done by the end of today12:18
aixs/arch/crux/12:18
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pedjaeverything works on Crux, too, so it must be the case of PEBKAC ;)14:21
pedjaj/k14:22
pedjamine gt-630 works just fine on Crux, so14:22
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john_cephalopodapedja: aix' problem looks more like it is a configuration problem, not a graphics card problem.14:27
pedjahe should be able to narrow it down14:27
pedjadifferent driver, Xorg.log14:28
SiFuhI think just kernel configuration14:29
john_cephalopodaCursor theme not loading on login sounds a lot like it wasn't properly enabled in the settings..14:29
SiFuhi made one mistake 'run scripts' in prt-get.conf   when through all the ports where there is a preinstall file to see what i had fscked up14:30
pedjaSiFuh, you are thinking scheduler, or latency setting?14:30
john_cephalopodaAnd the arch wiki article suggests, that the layer on which tint2 is displayed is configurable14:30
SiFuhlatency14:31
SiFuhi just did some tweaks in the kernel and 'bout to test X-Plane 10 in extreme renderring mode ..14:34
pedjaI played with 'Low latency preemption' years ago.These days I use 'Voluntary'.14:35
SiFuhyeah i set voluntary just now14:36
pedjadid you change default io scheduler, too?14:36
john_cephalopodaI will have to look into scheduling. CPU-intensive applications slow down other applications immensely.14:36
pedjayeah, 4.7.x kernels were pretty annoying that way :)14:37
john_cephalopodaHmm, it would be really nice to have some documentation on kernel stuff14:39
pedjait's tribal knowledge14:39
SiFuhno pedja14:39
john_cephalopodaThings like "How do I get my camera to work" or "How can I get real-time enabled in the kernel?"14:41
pedjagoogle it :)14:41
john_cephalopodaNo chance.14:42
SiFuhi agree tribal :-)14:42
pedjafor realtime, there is -rt tree14:42
john_cephalopodaNobody lists, what I have to enable to get a camera going.14:42
john_cephalopodaI have to use uvc, which requires me to load some random modules.14:42
john_cephalopodaSame for wacom graphics tablets.14:43
SiFuhjust build all the modules haha14:43
pedjaor use kernel config for Ubuntu/Suse as a starting point.14:44
pedjaor any other 'desktop' distro14:44
SiFuhhave you seen xen-kernel ?14:44
pedjaI never played with Xen14:44
tilmanpedja: they enable everything, so i'm not sure how helpful that wuold be :p14:44
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SiFuhi used the kali config on Debian14:47
SiFuhcrux i started from default just for laughs14:48
pedjatilman, the upside is that *all* your hardware JustWorks[tm] then :)14:48
tilmanobligatory 'make localconfig' hint?14:48
SiFuhi remember in 2.X if you tried to enable everything, it would never compile14:48
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pedja'make localconfig' is second step, when you get all the modules you need.15:02
SiFuhi thought that was make localmodconfig15:07
SiFuhload your models, run your system, then when happy 'make localmodconfig' and recompile15:08
tilmani might be misremembering15:09
tilmanmaybe there's only localyesconfig and localmodconfig15:09
tilman:)15:09
pedjayou are right, it is15:09
pedja'randconfig' looks...fun15:10
pedjalike*15:10
SiFuhhaha15:11
pedjaspeaking of kernel, I am several releases behind, it seems15:11
pedja4.8.14 already?15:12
john_cephalopodaWhat?15:12
tilmananother day, another point release in the 4.8 series15:12
john_cephalopodaI am at 4.8.12 - and I compiled it two days ago.15:12
SiFuhin OpenBSD you run a generic config, then when it loads, check out dmesg, build a system map of the hardware like a family tree. Then you rebuild the kernel based off the map.15:12
SiFuhafterwards append whatever external devices you wish to run into the kernel15:13
pedjajohn_cephalopoda, it came out yesterday :)15:13
SiFuhjohn_cephalopoda: me too15:14
john_cephalopodaMinor versions à la mozilla15:16
pedjaiirc, FreeBSD plans to add something like Linux Kconfig to their kernel, to make it easier to rebuild15:17
pedjaSiFuh, OpenBSD got rid of all modules in the kernel, right?15:18
SiFuhyes15:19
tilmanOpenBSD also got rid of all features15:19
tilmani mean bloat!15:19
tilmansorry!15:19
SiFuhsecurity reason, however, if you want you can add, but you must change your security level15:19
pedjait's an interesting approach15:20
SiFuhI love OpenBSD. it just hates hardware15:20
SiFuhi use it on my notebook as well as server. I sacrificed my resolution on the notebook though to use it.15:21
pedjaI like their 'If it works for you, good.If not, either send the patch or GTFO.'15:21
SiFuhnever heard that but I have sent many patches and had my code unchanged inserted into their kernel15:22
SiFuhkind of proud ;-)15:22
pedjanice15:22
SiFuhyes, knowing part of you is in a kernel for an OS is kind of nice.15:23
pedjapart of history15:23
SiFuh3.x :-)15:24
pedjacuriously enough, OpenBSD is missing from Unix history repo.15:24
SiFuhi wrote it at 2.4 but took until 3.X to introduce it15:24
pedjawhat's the current one, 6.0?15:25
SiFuhyes15:26
pedjaPF is nice.15:27
pedjaI could never wrap my head around iptables.15:28
pedja(yeah, yeah, it's me)15:28
SiFuh* Import further branches, such as 2BSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, and _Plan 9 from Bell Labs_.15:29
pedjaSomeone needs to do the work :)15:29
SiFuhoh i really like Plan 9. I just hate the way the terminal functions.15:29
SiFuhPF is incredible15:30
SiFuhcan make a fully-fledged firewall for a network of 30,000 computers in about 40 lines of code15:30
SiFuh2003 was the last time i bothered with iptable15:31
pedjaIt took me about a half an hour to get the basic stuff with IPFW on FBSD.Documentation ftw.15:31
pedja'you want to do foo?here is a basic working example.Enjoy'.Damn, that's good.15:33
SiFuheverything must be in the manpages in openbsd15:33
pedjaOpen Source mostly sucks at documentation.15:34
jaegerjohn_cephalopoda: in general, the kernel and modinfo will tell you when modules or drivers depend on other ones15:35
jaegermodinfo lists dependencies and when you search for a module in the kernel with /, it will tell you not only on what other options the driver depends, but which ones it selects when enabled15:36
pedjabut some projects are better than others (postgres, pandas, saltstack)15:36
SiFuhHoly sh!t15:39
SiFuhHey jaeger: found a photo of you15:39
SiFuhpm your email and I will forward to you if you want. I recon about 10 years ago you sent it..15:41
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jaegerI'm trying to remember why I might have sent a photo, heh. maybe from the 2004 or 2005 get together?15:49
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SiFuhit is in 2003 archives16:02
jaegerah16:03
frinnsthey now, you publish that for everyone to ejoy!16:03
frinnstenjoy*16:03
jaegeroh, wow, yeah. That's from when I worked at the university16:04
SiFuhi was working at a university too in those days.. Khon Kaen (thailand)16:05
SiFuhseems my slight glitches in graphics is to do with the hard disk16:08
SiFuhi will put crux on an M.2 SSD for test tomorrow16:09
jaegerIO scheduler? or maybe a bad disk?16:09
SiFuhok second person today to mention IO Scheduler16:10
jaegerLess important if you're not on an SSD currently16:10
SiFuhplanning on migrating soon16:11
jaegerDefinitely one of the best quality of life upgrades available16:13
SiFuhnot really upgrading, just got Debian and OpenBSD sleeping on it.16:13
SiFuhONFIG_VIRTUALIZATION=y16:14
SiFuhCONFIG_VIRTUALIZATION=y CONFIG_RATIONAL=y CONFIG_GENERIC_PCI_IOMAP=y CONFIG_GENERIC_IOMAP=y CONFIG_GENERIC_IO=y CONFIG_HAS_IOMEM=y CONFIG_HAS_IOPORT_MAP=y CONFIG_ARCH_HAS_MMIO_FLUSH=y16:15
SiFuh:-/ that is not what i selected16:16
SiFuhCONFIG_IOSCHED_NOOP=y CONFIG_IOSCHED_DEADLINE=y CONFIG_IOSCHED_CFQ=y CONFIG_DEFAULT_IOSCHED="cfq"16:18
frinnstblueness_: anything major in 3.2.1?17:04
frinnstfixed*17:04
pedjamost of the pr0n sites switched to html5 video thingy, a friend tells me.17:07
pedjaso Chrome has less and less advantages over FF17:10
pedjabut for live streaming, Flash is still king.17:11
pedja(i am rambling until my Win10 LTSB download finishes)17:14
SiFuhwhat is LTSB?17:23
SiFuhDon'17:24
SiFuhDon't worry I found it17:24
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blueness_frinnst: yes, fixes for builds against glibc-2.2318:20
blueness_i’m testing now before pushing the tag18:20
frinnstjust pushed it to our 3.3 branch :-)18:39
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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.2]: gpgme: 1.6.0 -> 1.8.021:22
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.2]: harfbuzz-icu: 1.3.3 -> 1.3.421:22
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saintromualdJust curious is the only difference between your distro and other linux distros is that you use a package manager similar to that in BSD's right?23:25
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