IRC Logs for #crux Tuesday, 2016-12-13

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emmett1_SiFuh, still cant change the brightness01:11
emmett1_i think i just let it be01:11
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marakuemmett1: want to try light ( I didn't make it, but it changes backlight levels in the systemm and not through xorg02:51
emmett1already try light at 1st install crux and its not work02:56
emmett1light work on my old HP laptop02:56
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marakuoh, good luck then emmett1. best wear sunglasses with your new comp in the dark07:12
emmett1maraku, haha..yeah seems like that :D07:16
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emmett1SiFuh, :)09:00
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.2]: cups-filters: update to 1.13.012:26
cruxbot[opt.git/3.2]: mysql: update to 5.6.3512:26
cruxbot[opt.git/3.2]: nano: update to 2.7.212:26
cruxbot[core.git/3.2]: man-pages: update to 4.0912:26
cruxbot[core.git/3.2]: iproute2: update to 4.9.012:26
SiFuhcurious as to why everytime I install Crux the results are different12:57
rmullWhich results?12:57
SiFuhport building12:58
SiFuhsome ports that compiled on previous installations wont compile on newer installations12:58
rmullAll dependencies are up to date?12:59
ryu0SiFuh: one reason: gcc changes.12:59
ryu0and probably glibc too. header changes can cause builds to fail.12:59
SiFuhthe urrent install won't install pulseaudio-32 and speex12:59
ryu0happens if a package's source code doesn't explicitly include all the headers it relies on.12:59
SiFuhok and ?13:00
ryu0provided by mesa. what?13:00
SiFuhi found it funny that it is there and yet is not :-)13:00
ryu0or the binary drivers.13:00
SiFuhthanks ;-)13:02
SiFuhso lilo doesn't work with btrfs yet?13:02
ryu0why would it ever? lilo isn't really maintained.13:02
ryu0syslinux is a better fit these days.13:02
ryu0supports ext2/3/4, and some subset of btrfs (can't read compressed files)13:03
ryu0and syslinux doesn't require you to reinstall it every time you install a new kernel :)13:04
SiFuhmm ok let me check it out13:07
ryu0you'd have to do a few things to make it work.13:09
ryu0first, installing to /boot/syslinux or so.13:09
ryu0writing a syslinux.conf file.13:09
ryu0then writing the MBR it includes.13:09
ryu0furthermore, for DOS, you need to mark a partition as active so it knows where it should load from.13:10
ryu0and if it's GPT, you need to mark a partition as legacy bootable.13:10
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frinnstpro-tip, dont use syslinux with btrfs - use grub14:28
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frinnstit "sort of" works14:28
frinnstuntil you either use compression like ryu0 said, or do a balance14:29
SiFuhi used lilo sorry14:29
SiFuhand i got rid of btrfs14:30
SiFuhfor /14:30
frinnstyou could use a ext3/4 /boot and then btrfs on / if you prefer to use lilo14:31
john_cephalopodafrinnst: But... syslinux is awesome... ;]14:31
SiFuhno going to mess up my partitions for now. But yes you are right.14:31
frinnstyeah I like it too. but not with btrfs14:31
john_cephalopodaOnly using ext4 here, so no experience with that.14:31
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SiFuhi prefer a boot manage that is basic14:32
frinnstalso things with syslinux might have changed. last i used it with btrfs was a few years ago14:32
SiFuhI find grub more complex than the mahabharata14:34
frinnstnot *that* hard to set up though:
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john_cephalopoda"extlinux -i /boot", then create a file with 4 lines in it, done.14:39
SiFuhsounds like door to door salesmen14:39
john_cephalopodaI get a provision (20% of the price) for every sold syslinux installation.14:40
john_cephalopodaWhich is nothing at all since it's free.14:40
SiFuhhaha I know how they all work (except syslinux for harddisks) and I still prefer lilo, but I am curious about syslinux14:41
frinnstdont you need to dd the mbr.bin with syslinux these days?14:42
SiFuhgrub is easy but I am not subjecting my life to celibacy and 12 years as a Shaolin monk just to understand 512bytes of the first part of a harddrive..14:42
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john_cephalopodaI never used syslinux with EFI and GPT14:46
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SiFuhi didn't even know syslinux can be used on SDX/HDX14:47
john_cephalopodasyslinux consists of several parts.14:56
john_cephalopodaThe syslinux program is used for FAT, extlinux for ext2/3/4, isolinux for bootable CDs, pxelinux for network boot.14:57
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john_cephalopodaMaybe extlinux can do more. It states that it is for ext2/3, but it also works for 4.15:20
SiFuhdual boot?15:21
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john_cephalopodaDual boot works with syslinux. Some chainboot stuff.15:23
john_cephalopodaIt is documented in the arch wiki, iirc.15:23
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frinnstjohn_cephalopoda:  [6.03+] FAT12/16/32, NTFS, ext2/3/4, Btrfs, XFS, UFS/FFS,16:00
john_cephalopodafrinnst: Read it from the manpage.16:01
cruxbot[xorg.git/3.2]: xorg-xf86-video-geode: update to 2.11.1916:13
cruxbot[xorg.git/3.2]: xorg-xf86-input-libinput: update to 0.23.016:13
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john_cephalopodaiirc, the xorg lib for wacom isn't in any official repo yet..16:46
john_cephalopodaI wish, I had uploaded my pkgfiles somewhere.17:07
john_cephalopodaUhrg, no single drawing program anywhere...17:16
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.2]: zsh: 5.2 -> 5.318:15
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tsaopyesterday I was erroneously referring to gnupg as needing python3 support19:44
tsaopthe incriminated package was gpgme19:44
onoderasince recently youtube-dl/mpv no longer works20:19
onoderasince the ffmpeg update it seems20:20
onodera[ffmpeg] https protocol not found, recompile FFmpeg with openssl, gnutls or securetransport enabled.20:20
onodera@ Workster20:20
john_cephalopodaI used spacefm for a long time and I am used to type "space <RETURN>" in dmenu to run it. Now I switched to pcmanfm. Symlinked it to spacefm, so I can run it without changing my habits.20:40
onoderaWorkster: seems like the removal of --enable-gnutls \ is the problem, could you please re-add it?20:45
frinnstor use openssl since its already in core?20:49
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.2]: nss: updated to 3.27.120:59
cruxbot[opt.git/3.2]: [notify] firefox: updated to 50.1.020:59
onoderafrinnst: err no idea how I ended up using gnutls... I swear ffmpeg used to depend on it21:02
frinnstquite possible21:03
onoderayeah I just checked, it did, I'll try if openssl works as well :)21:03
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onoderafor some weird reason --enable-openssl requires --enable-nonfree21:16
onoderaif I understand correctly, things like --enable-lame and --enable-x264 are only for encoding support not decoding?21:21
onoderain ffmpeg21:21
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tsaopcan anyone with gpgme installed check the content in line 66 of /usr/lib/cmake/Gpgmepp/GpgmeppConfig.cmake?21:53
tsaopit seems there's a @libsuffix@ that wasn't substituted when compiling21:53
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john_cephalopodaWhat was the line to ignore NEW stuff in prt-get?22:16
john_cephalopodaOh, found it, it was in pkgmk22:17
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.2]: nginx: updated to version 1.11.722:25
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