| pedja | idk, it has its uses, but it is hardly a solution for everything | 00:00 |
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| nullspoon | Agreed. I've used it for some pretty neat stuff so far. But like you said, it has its uses, like most technologies. | 00:03 |
| nullspoon | Like with most fads, people latch on to it, then try to use it for absolutely everything, then they realize it only works well for about 5% of the things they originally tried to use it for. | 00:04 |
| nullspoon | Remember nosql and mongodb/redis/couchdb/etc? A great database. In its early days, people tried to crowbar every database use-case to match a nosql setup. | 00:04 |
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| pedja | I remember the headlines 'death of traditional SQL DB is imminent!'.yeah, Oracle and Postgresql people were really worried :) | 00:09 |
| nullspoon | hehe | 00:12 |
| nullspoon | I am really curious what the next fad after containers will be. | 00:13 |
| nullspoon | It seems the software defined data center might be next, but that one didn't really explode quite like nosql and containers. | 00:13 |
| Sitri | Containers and NoSQL both took a while to get hyped. | 00:16 |
| Sitri | NoSQL's actually as old as SQL is (BDB for example) | 00:16 |
| nullspoon | Good point. Similar to cloud as well. That concept had been around for quite some time, but really only became a fad once marketing folks used that word. | 00:19 |
| pedja | http://www.leavcom.com/pdf/NoSQL.pdf | 00:22 |
| nullspoon | Please wait for 5 minutes for my firefox to launch. Compiling with n-1 cores really taxes a system. :D | 00:23 |
| nullspoon | Oh look. Mupdf can open http links. Neat. | 00:23 |
| pedja | the conclusion of that article is 'use the best suited tool for the job'.Amen to that. | 00:26 |
| nullspoon | agreed | 00:26 |
| pedja | weirdly enough, that's not obvious to many people. | 00:27 |
| nullspoon | That kind of saddens me. You'd think they would have learned that lesson from past fads. | 00:28 |
| nullspoon | Any time I meet someone who wants to use something just for the sake of using what the media suggests, I always try to encourage them to branch out. Usually doesn't work too well. They "evaluate" the alternatives, then come to the conclusion they shoudl use the fad. | 00:29 |
| nullspoon | I guess shiny is a valid reason these days. haha | 00:29 |
| pedja | or confirmation bias :) | 00:31 |
| nullspoon | heh | 00:32 |
| pedja | people tend to overestimate their ability for unbiased conclusions.it's just the way human brain works | 00:34 |
| pedja | 'pattern recognition machine' is still my favorite synonym for 'brain' :) | 00:35 |
| pedja | good name for a band, too | 00:35 |
| nullspoon | hehe. I think that's very apt, especially given that's the foundation to even the most basic of AIs. | 00:35 |
| nullspoon | I'd buy that band's albums. | 00:36 |
| nullspoon | I would really hope they'd release their albums on a seemingly random, but still patterned release schedule. Something for the fans to figure out. | 00:36 |
| pedja | like Radiohead | 00:36 |
| nullspoon | Wait, wha? | 00:37 |
| nullspoon | ACTION searches eagerly | 00:37 |
| pedja | j/k | 00:37 |
| nullspoon | dang | 00:37 |
| pedja | but they are the kind of band I would expect to do something like that :) | 00:38 |
| nullspoon | They did try some very unorthodox release practices. Worked out alright for them if I recall right. | 00:38 |
| nullspoon | That's one reason I buy off bandcamp if it's available there. The artist gets a lot more money that way. | 00:39 |
| pedja | 'Luke Cage' is kind of boring as a series, but it does have pretty awesome soundtrack | 00:40 |
| nullspoon | Haven't heard (or seen it) yet. Busy wasting time on other Netflix shows first. I did finish Jessica Jones though. Pretty good show. | 00:42 |
| pedja | few artists I never heard of. but the best scene is Cage kicking ass with Wu Tang blasting from his headphones :) | 00:42 |
| nullspoon | Also, part of me is wondering at what point we're going to be called off as majorly off-topic and will be warned and subsequently kicked. :) | 00:43 |
| pedja | ops are cool :) | 00:45 |
| pedja | and asleep (famous last words) | 00:47 |
| nullspoon | hehe. I guess they are on the other side of the world atm (I think). | 00:47 |
| pedja | most of them are Europeans, I think | 00:48 |
| nullspoon | The only ones I know are sweden, germany, and my old home Oklahoma. | 00:49 |
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| pedja | time to take my meds, and go to sleep.gn. | 00:51 |
| nullspoon | 'night | 00:52 |
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| Romster | pedja> is it possible to overdose on vitamin C?I think I am about to find out. <- no you can never over dose on vitamin C the body will not absorb the excess you'll just be wasting it. | 01:16 |
| xcko | Morning | 01:17 |
| Romster | morning xcko | 01:30 |
| Romster | hi nullspoon you do gain and lose in crux, like with everything else oyu have to manually handle any build failures manually. | 01:34 |
| Romster | it isn't always smooth sailing but any one experienced can get around that. | 01:34 |
| nullspoon | Romster: I agree. Everything has its pros and cons. It's just a matter of which cons you'd rather deal with. :) | 01:35 |
| Romster | but that always leads to more time nursing said problems. | 01:35 |
| nullspoon | I personally prefer the occasional manual steps over a tremendously complex build system. Plus, in the end, I know my system and other systems better. | 01:35 |
| Romster | but then you don't have to dig in so much abstraction in like ebuilds to find the issue. | 01:36 |
| Romster | same | 01:36 |
| ryu0 | ebuilds trade complexity for versatility. | 01:36 |
| ryu0 | err | 01:36 |
| ryu0 | simplicity for versatility. | 01:36 |
| Romster | derp lol | 01:37 |
| nullspoon | I agree with that. The question is, how much of that versitility is really required. For me, I need it so rarely, I'll take the frequent simplicity to needing to deal with an overly complex system that provides flexibility I rarely need. | 01:37 |
| nogagplz | that sounds like something a gentoo saboteur would say | 01:37 |
| nogagplz | ACTION eyes ryu0 suspiciously | 01:37 |
| nullspoon | hehe | 01:37 |
| nullspoon | Speaking of which, question. When running a prt-get sysup, does prt-get re-eval the dependencies for a recently updated package? | 01:39 |
| nullspoon | It'd be nice to run a sysup and have it install any newly added dependencies like depinst does. | 01:39 |
| nullspoon | Not sure if I'm missing something. | 01:39 |
| Romster | i like to think the KISS of crux fills the void between LFS and arch gentoo fedora centos debian ubuntu being higher up in the automated, touch anything from the norm setup and break stuff... | 01:41 |
| Romster | nullspoon, there is a bug report for a feature request for that and currently no. | 01:42 |
| Romster | best thing todo there is to do a prt-get deptree foo | 01:42 |
| Romster | then look for missing ports [ ] | 01:42 |
| nullspoon | Romster: Guess I should have searched the bug tracker. Sorry about that. I'll take a look at the bug. Who knows, you might see a pull request in for that soon. :) | 01:42 |
| Romster | and manually fix that | 01:42 |
| Romster | it's okay. | 01:42 |
| Romster | similarly there is no way to remove dependencies that are no longer used. | 01:43 |
| Romster | so stuff like that gets listed in REAMDE's like prt-get readme xorg-server | 01:43 |
| Romster | and on upgrade to a new crux verison there is a helper script to remove and inject such changes. but on a sysup there is none of that. manual intervention. | 01:44 |
| nullspoon | I'm happy to have that small issue with such a simple and reliable system. | 01:47 |
| nullspoon | So far, I've spent far, far less time on crux trying to figure out a problem with a package, than I have on Gentoo. | 01:48 |
| nullspoon | To be clear though, I don't want to gentoo bash too much. They've got some super smart folks over there, and a pretty solid distro. Besides, I'm grateful to anyone providing any open source product such as that one. The volunteer time is greatly appreciated. | 01:49 |
| Romster | noting wrong with distro but it is complex. | 01:50 |
| Romster | gentoo distro | 01:50 |
| Romster | arch be okay if you can handle systemd. | 01:51 |
| Romster | i personally am one of them that does not lie this systemd, it's not the unix way, once can argue there is one tool for one job in systemd, but as a whole it tries to replace so much. | 01:52 |
| Romster | jsut killing diversity. | 01:52 |
| ryu0 | Romster: more like trading one form of diversity for a superficial form. | 01:54 |
| nullspoon | I certainly agree. Really like arch myself. I really enjoyed systemd as well in its infancy. Then it started expanding. It took logging, network control, service sockets, service timing, etc. I promptly started looking for a new distro as systemd grew on my arch box. Landed on gentoo for a while, but as I settled on that system, it also grew in complexity and instability, so I landed on crux. | 01:54 |
| Romster | we want to hold out as long as we can. | 01:57 |
| Romster | i fear that other projects will require systemd at some point forcing us to use that. | 01:57 |
| ryu0 | as long as embedded Linux is a thing, i doubt it will ever take over all uses of Linux. | 01:58 |
| Romster | at least desktop | 01:58 |
| onodera | ^ | 01:58 |
| onodera | also the kind of programs that hard depends on systemd are not the kinda program I use | 01:58 |
| onodera | or imagine "the CRUX user" using | 01:58 |
| ryu0 | last i checked gnome3 was one of the few that actually required systemd. KDE5, afaik, only uses it to provide certain platform specific functionality if desired. | 02:00 |
| nullspoon | Hopefully enough people dig their heels in that systemd becomes a 'redhat' thing. | 02:02 |
| xcko | Do you know what part of gnome depends on it? It's hard to imagine what a DE would need from systemd | 02:02 |
| onodera | pretty sure logind | 02:02 |
| xcko | ah | 02:02 |
| onodera | and they don't "need" it, see https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/4gnz7i/lets_talk_about_the_gentle_push/ | 02:03 |
| xcko | nullspoon: looking at the way so many distros jumped on it - I doubt it will become a 'redhat' thing | 02:03 |
| nullspoon | To Romster's point, diversity is important to the open source community. If systemd ever reached 100% saturation (which is unlikely thankfully), it would kill projects like cron, init scripts, logging tools, tty managers, etc. | 02:03 |
| nullspoon | I swear though, I'm switching to freebsd the day that systemd tries to replace vim. ;) | 02:04 |
| nullspoon | xcko: I kind of agree. However, debian and ubuntu really wanted to stray away. I wonder if they didn't jump on board simply for compatibility sake. They did all jump in before systemd really ballooned up. They might change their minds at some point down the road (I hope). | 02:05 |
| nullspoon | But that's a bit optimistic I fear. | 02:05 |
| onodera | yeah the whole thing that makes me love linux is how it's bolted together | 02:05 |
| onodera | and if I don't like the logging daemon or something I can just use something else, *without* being forced to replace everything else as well | 02:05 |
| nullspoon | onodera: As people have previously described it, that kind of dependency is counter to the sound development principle of seperation of concerns. Microsoft is famous for it, since nearly every update you install requires a full reboot of your system. | 02:07 |
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| Romster | i hate that, i leave my windows at work running with open applications only to come back to it with everything closed and rebooted to login screen | 02:24 |
| Romster | i want to reboot when i see fit not when it forces me to. | 02:25 |
| Romster | another anoyance say firefox becomes unresponsive... on linux it's just firefox everything else on the desktop works, on windows explorer crashes and takes out nearly everything | 02:26 |
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| ryu0 | Romster: wouldn't the same thing happen if Xorg was also unstable? | 02:36 |
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| Romster | it would but then how often is that ryu0 ? | 02:41 |
| ryu0 | Romster: i never said it was frequent, just a comparison statement. | 03:02 |
| ryu0 | i only recall Xorg crashes during initialization, if ever. | 03:03 |
| joacim | i like how on some systems that install addons to explorer | 03:03 |
| joacim | that makes explorer crash | 03:03 |
| joacim | so you see it crash repeatedly over and over again | 03:03 |
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| nullspoon | Anybody updated to 3.3 and received 'server not found' errors on firefox? | 05:48 |
| nullspoon | Looks like dns issues, since I tested midori and it had the same problem, but indicated it couldn't resolve the host. I tested curl, gajim, wget, dig, and elinks, and all of the resolve hosts fine. | 05:49 |
| nullspoon | Not sure if anyone has solved this problem yet. Probably just need to rebuild something. Just haven't figured out what yet. Anyone have any ideas? | 05:50 |
| Sitri | nss? | 06:03 |
| frinnst | nullspoon: run rejmerge and make sure your /etc/resolv.conf points to your actual nameservers | 06:05 |
| nullspoon | Sitri: Tried that, as well as nspr | 06:05 |
| nullspoon | frinnst: Holy Jimminy! I had no idea that command existed. haha. I'm running it now. | 06:07 |
| frinnst | oh, all other programs can resolve fine? | 06:10 |
| frinnst | how did you do the upgrade? manual or via iso? | 06:10 |
| nullspoon | Manual | 06:12 |
| nullspoon | I figured I'd give it a try manually. Worst case it went very poorly and I just re-install from the iso. | 06:13 |
| nullspoon | frinnst: Just finished with rejmerge. Firefox and midori are still not resolving. | 06:19 |
| nullspoon | I just tested hitting an ip address with firefox, and that worked fine. | 06:19 |
| nullspoon | I did a high-level look over the deptree for firefox and midori to see if there are any consistencies (since both don't work while other's do). Did a few rebuilds, but nothing has fixed it yet. I'll keep poking around the deptree if no one has any other ideas. | 06:20 |
| Sitri | try strace on firefox maybe? | 06:27 |
| nullspoon | Sitri: I did that. Was actually just looking over the output file. It's 4.6 MB just opening and closing firefox. Gonna take a while. :) | 06:27 |
| Sitri | I'd walk backwards on it, as it probably has a ton of start-up | 06:28 |
| nullspoon | That's a fact. I started with case insensitive grepping for 'no such file or'. >1000 found. lol | 06:28 |
| Sitri | Yeah... I'd look at network stuff TBH, try and see what DNS servers it's using | 06:29 |
| nullspoon | Looking... | 06:30 |
| nullspoon | Re-ran without shutting down to avoid the shutdown static. Lots of "Resource temporarily unavailable" errors. | 06:31 |
| Sitri | On what kind of calls though? | 06:38 |
| nullspoon | I'm not super experienced on strace, but recvmsg. It's preceeded by poll | 06:41 |
| nullspoon | The first occurence is immediately after reading my Xauthority file | 06:41 |
| nullspoon | If I'm reading this right, it's polling file descriptor 4 | 06:45 |
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| Roomster | nullspoon, ran revdep? | 06:54 |
| nullspoon | Romster: I have. Nothing applicable came up. Just inkscape, hugin, and libreoffice. | 06:56 |
| nullspoon | I wonder if it's nscd | 06:59 |
| nullspoon | Sadly that's a part of glibc, which takes a long time to compile. | 06:59 |
| Romster | maybe gcc 6 is the culprit | 06:59 |
| Romster | did you rebuild *everything* with gcc6? | 07:00 |
| Romster | including the kernel? | 07:00 |
| nullspoon | I haven't yet | 07:00 |
| Romster | i would try that first. | 07:00 |
| nullspoon | That's my scortched-earth fix | 07:00 |
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| nullspoon | scorched? | 07:01 |
| Romster | my guess is a libstdc++ change | 07:01 |
| nullspoon | However that's spelled. | 07:01 |
| nullspoon | Whoaa | 07:04 |
| nullspoon | Fixed it. | 07:04 |
| nullspoon | As root, I executed 'nscd', and firefox started loading pages. | 07:05 |
| nullspoon | Strange. I wonder what boots that service. I don't have an init script for it. | 07:06 |
| Romster | well you must not have restarted or rebooted after rebuilding | 07:06 |
| nullspoon | I did though | 07:06 |
| nullspoon | Ye olde init 0 | 07:06 |
| Romster | amazed the man page doe snot list the options that --help does. | 07:08 |
| Romster | does not* | 07:08 |
| nullspoon | Yeah, that's kinda surprising. | 07:09 |
| nullspoon | I'm going to reboot here, see if it by some black magic comes back up. | 07:09 |
| nullspoon | I don't see anything in /etc/ that would indicates it starts on boot, which makes me wonder how this has been working this whole time. | 07:10 |
| Romster | /usr/sbin/nscd: nscd not running! | 07:10 |
| Romster | well then i am not even using it. | 07:11 |
| nullspoon | heh. I wonder what firefox was up to then. Perhaps it has multiple domain name resolution services and nscd was just the first failure. | 07:12 |
| nullspoon | Lemme have another look at that strace output | 07:12 |
| nullspoon | So at least I'm not going crazy here. I just killed nscd and firefox is no longer resolving. Looks like it opens nsswitch.conf after looking for the nscd socket. | 07:13 |
| Romster | then why is mine not running | 07:14 |
| nullspoon | Firefox looks like it's doing what it should be. It tries nscd, failes to connect to the socket [because it's not running]. Then it tries /etc/nsswitch.conf, which instructs it to check files, then dns. | 07:19 |
| Romster | hmm | 07:20 |
| nullspoon | It hits up /etc/host.conf, then /etc/hosts, then it loads libnss_dns, then libresolve,, then it opens my resolv.conf file. | 07:20 |
| Romster | theya re both provided by glibc | 07:20 |
| Romster | what sort of logic is this. so nss does not cache while nscd does? | 07:21 |
| nullspoon | yup. Which I finished rebuilding a few minutes ago. | 07:21 |
| nullspoon | By the way, there's no need to help with this. I'm quite fine just running a rebuild of my entire system. I'm spending time on this now because I'm curious why. No need to tear your hair out with me. :) | 07:22 |
| Romster | wonder so we are all doing lookups and not caching them | 07:22 |
| Romster | eh i am just curious about this daemon and why it does not get started and is it really needed. | 07:23 |
| nullspoon | Your firefox works though, yes? | 07:23 |
| Romster | i have a local cache on another lan box. | 07:23 |
| Romster | yep works just fine. | 07:23 |
| Romster | it might just rely on your routers dns cache? if it has one | 07:24 |
| Romster | server-usernobody | 07:25 |
| Romster | stat-usersomebody | 07:25 |
| Romster | last i looked we have a nobody user but not a somebody user. | 07:25 |
| nullspoon | Okay. So packages I've rebuilt, in case you see anything I missed. I've rebuilt glibc, nss, bindutils, many xorg ports, curl, openssl. | 07:25 |
| Romster | that's out of /etc/nscd.conf | 07:25 |
| Romster | Enabling host caching is generally not a very good idea; a caching DNS server is a much better, and safer, implementation. | 07:29 |
| Romster | http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/linux-and-open-source/authentication-caching-with-nscd/ | 07:29 |
| nullspoon | Agreed. I don't have it enabled on mine though. | 07:29 |
| nullspoon | in fact, didn't even know what nscd was until today. | 07:29 |
| Romster | for all other uses i don't think it's a benefit for most situations. | 07:29 |
| nullspoon | If I want to cache, I set up either bind9 or dnsmasq. | 07:30 |
| Romster | same i never seen nscd either | 07:30 |
| nullspoon | I mostly do that though for dns overriding. | 07:30 |
| nullspoon | On a hunch here, I'm rebuilding gnutls | 07:30 |
| Romster | i used to use maradns but now i use unbound | 07:30 |
| nullspoon | fail | 07:30 |
| nullspoon | I mostly just like dnsmasq because it provides a super easy-to-configure dhcp server that I use for my kvm testing clusters. | 07:31 |
| nullspoon | I haven't heard of those though. I'll take a look. | 07:31 |
| Romster | learn something new every day | 07:34 |
| Romster | mmm i guess i should commit these gstreamer updates | 07:34 |
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| nullspoon | I'm just going to completely rebuild firefox and see what happens. I've already tried that with midor to no avail, though I hadn't tried rebuilding webkit just yet. | 07:37 |
| Romster | rebuilding webkit takes a long time | 07:38 |
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| cruxbot | [opt.git/3.2]: gstreamer: 1.8.2 -> 1.10.2 | 07:39 |
| cruxbot | [opt.git/3.2]: gst-plugins-base: 1.8.2 -> 1.10.2 | 07:39 |
| nullspoon | That's why I've avoided it. :) | 07:39 |
| cruxbot | [contrib.git/3.2]: gst-plugins-good: 1.8.2 -> 1.10.2 | 07:49 |
| cruxbot | [contrib.git/3.2]: gst-plugins-bad: 1.8.2 -> 1.10.2 | 07:49 |
| cruxbot | [contrib.git/3.2]: gst-plugins-ugly: 1.8.2 -> 1.10.2 | 07:49 |
| cruxbot | [contrib.git/3.2]: gst-python: 1.8.2 -> 1.10.2 | 07:49 |
| cruxbot | [contrib.git/3.2]: gst-libav: 1.8.2 -> 1.10.2 | 07:49 |
| cruxbot | [contrib.git/3.2]: gstreamer-vaapi: 0.7.0 -> 1.10.2 | 07:49 |
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| lounge | hi ,where can i download crux3.3 ? | 08:21 |
| Romster | http://crux.ninja/ it's been in the mailing list it's even in the logs of here. | 08:22 |
| Romster | https://crux.ninja/crux/ | 08:23 |
| lounge | thanks ,ill check it out | 08:24 |
| Romster | note it's a release candidate and not final yet. | 08:24 |
| Romster | i'm just in the process of making a crux 3.3 docker image. | 08:26 |
| Romster | so i can test builds on 3.3-rc1 | 08:26 |
| nullspoon | Romster: After all our conversation earlier. I'm dissapointed. ;) | 08:28 |
| Romster | how so ;P | 08:28 |
| Romster | i do have a bare metal xeon that's on crux 3.3 | 08:29 |
| Romster | along with my other 7 machines in my distcc cluster | 08:29 |
| nullspoon | Yikes. Okay. Right tool for the job then. | 08:30 |
| Romster | when i say i am a power user i truely am. | 08:30 |
| nullspoon | I'll say. Beats the pants off my setup. Got a vps hosted elsewhere, and amd 8 core, and an intel i5, and any number of vms I can host on those. | 08:32 |
| Romster | i must say the machines are low end dual cores with 3GB of ram each | 08:33 |
| Romster | except i got the 3 quad cores with 4 or 8GB of ram | 08:33 |
| Romster | i have another 10 coe 2 duos i need to get up and running but to use those i'll need to round up some more parts. | 08:34 |
| Romster | and a way to mount them. using cases gets bulky to fast. | 08:34 |
| Romster | i could do with a workstation but i can get by with what i can round up | 08:35 |
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| nullspoon | Wow. That's an impressive amount of hardware. | 08:39 |
| nullspoon | I guess I'm not building as many packages as you though. I couldn't find that much use for that much power [yet]. | 08:39 |
| nullspoon | So I take it you've got a rack mount at home then? | 08:40 |
| nullspoon | Well. I'm off for the night. Gonna let firefox keep building until it's done. I'll report back in the morning if that fixes anything, otherwise I'll just rebuild all. | 08:48 |
| nullspoon | Thanks for the help! gn. | 08:48 |
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| tilman | pedja: echo "the one that you gives you biscuits when you go on-site?" | sed -e 's/you //' (non-global -> stops after first match) | 09:04 |
| Romster | don't we all know that one? | 09:06 |
| tilman | frinnst: is cougarnetes.com a silicon valley joke? look at the sponsor/affiliate logos at the bottom =) | 09:11 |
| SiFuh_ | anyone suggest a good font for xterm (HDPI) ? | 09:13 |
| ryu0 | SiFuh_: High DPI? | 09:19 |
| ryu0 | SiFuh_: if it must be xterm, you'll probably want to be using XFT. | 09:19 |
| ryu0 | SiFuh_: some TTF font, not bitmapped ideally. | 09:20 |
| ryu0 | SiFuh_: inconsolata is a popular choice. | 09:20 |
| SiFuh_ | I will try | 09:36 |
| Romster | SiFuh, xorg-font-inconsolata-dz | 09:38 |
| Romster | hmm now they have a new version out on github | 09:39 |
| SiFuh_ | ttf-inconsolata-20150921.480630d-noarch-1_SBo | 09:40 |
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| frinnst | tilman: yeah i saw that. whois doesnt suggest it though | 10:25 |
| frinnst | the other sites are registered by hbo | 10:25 |
| frinnst | Domain Name: coderag.com | 10:26 |
| frinnst | Registrant Organization: Home Box Office, Inc. | 10:26 |
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| SiFuh_ | ryu0: thanks | 10:34 |
| tilman | frinnst: alright :) | 10:46 |
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| xcko | heh my pc gaming is limited skyrim on my macbook. You lookin at the 1080? | 12:07 |
| xcko | sorry wrong chanel | 12:07 |
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| nogagplz | out of curiosity is it the fanless macbook, or something beefier? | 12:28 |
| xcko | It's a 2012 macbook air, i5core, 4G ram. It has a fan lol | 12:31 |
| nogagplz | ah ok, yeah I was going to say | 12:32 |
| xcko | It runs surprisingly well though | 12:33 |
| xcko | low res graphics, but combat is acceptable. Only intense magic scenes are slow | 12:34 |
| nogagplz | is that through windows, or wine? | 12:34 |
| xcko | wine has improved over the years too | 12:34 |
| xcko | ^^ | 12:35 |
| nogagplz | pretty nice | 12:35 |
| nogagplz | I played it on wine when it first came out, the experience left a lot to be desired back then :P | 12:35 |
| xcko | me too. I used to play in OSX when it first came out, but recently installed on crux and I think the performance has improved | 12:37 |
| nogagplz | might be a better video driver, in my experience things can get hit or miss on os x | 12:39 |
| nogagplz | e.g. native starcraft 2 on os x is slower on my mbp than in windows on the same machine, with the integrated video | 12:40 |
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| xcko | intel hardware so shouldn't it be the same driver? | 13:11 |
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| xcko | irssi? | 13:45 |
| xcko | oops | 13:45 |
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| SiFuh_ | oops | 15:46 |
| SiFuh_ | accidentally my conkyrc config | 15:46 |
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| frinnst | dont you just love btrfs for cases like that? | 15:56 |
| frinnst | http://pastebin.com/iH2kANxR | 15:56 |
| onodera | can anyone please post the default PKGMK_*_DIR values? | 16:00 |
| jaeger | $PWD, $PWD, $PWD/work | 16:01 |
| onodera | thanks | 16:02 |
| jaeger | welcome | 16:02 |
| SiFuh_ | frinnst: lucky you ;-) I just rewrote the config, luckily I remembered it | 16:15 |
| pedja | Alpine switched to LibreSSL and supports ZFS on root?Nice. | 16:16 |
| onodera | I' | 16:20 |
| onodera | m pretty sure alpine has been using libressl forever | 16:20 |
| onodera | they have tons of cool stuff, musl, busybox coreutils, the best installer I've ever used. | 16:20 |
| pedja | 3.4.x used openssl, with libressl as an option | 16:20 |
| onodera | oh right, default kernel with grsec | 16:21 |
| pedja | libressl is the default now | 16:21 |
| onodera | I've been using libressl on crux for over a year now | 16:23 |
| onodera | haven't really encountered any problems | 16:24 |
| pedja | with the software that *you* use personally :) | 16:24 |
| onodera | yeye | 16:24 |
| onodera | I know nodejs has problems with it | 16:25 |
| onodera | but they have an flag to use a build in openssl im pretty sure | 16:25 |
| pedja | which one?LTS or stable? | 16:25 |
| onodera | stable | 16:25 |
| onodera | last time I tried, which was about half a year ago | 16:25 |
| pedja | I have 6.9.x installed.I rarely use it for anything though. | 16:26 |
| pedja | Jupyter Notebook uses it, iirc, but I've given up on packaging that particular beast :) | 16:29 |
| pedja | 'conda install jupyter' is way easier | 16:29 |
| pedja | conda supports private repos so, in theory, I could build my own packages using Crux modern up to date toolchain | 16:34 |
| pedja | instead of ancient 4.8.2 from RH | 16:35 |
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| SiFuh_ | hmm What was wrong with cplay? It was simple and did the job. Cmus has too many options. | 17:16 |
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| tsaop | hello | 17:22 |
| tsaop | I noticed that gtk2 applications seem to render icons in the wrong color | 17:23 |
| tsaop | see this screenshot: http://www.imagebam.com/image/6d2263522821657 | 17:23 |
| tsaop | it is from a fresh installation using the updated ISO | 17:23 |
| tsaop | any clues at what might have happened? | 17:23 |
| onodera | all gtk apps tsaop / | 17:51 |
| tsaop | onodera: gimp has the same problem | 17:58 |
| tsaop | i'd say all gtk2 apps | 17:58 |
| onodera | hmm I'm kinda sure I've read something about pink icons once | 17:59 |
| tsaop | firefox, which uses gtk3, shows icons in the correct color | 17:59 |
| onodera | but I can't find anything on google | 17:59 |
| tsaop | indeed | 17:59 |
| tsaop | onodera: can you check if you have the same problem with gimp? | 18:00 |
| onodera | no | 18:02 |
| onodera | running 3.3 | 18:02 |
| tsaop | mmh | 18:02 |
| tsaop | might try installing that in a VM | 18:02 |
| onodera | though yesteryesterday I was running 3.2 still and didn't have the problem either | 18:04 |
| pedja | 'yesteryesterday' is pretty roundabout way to say '2 days ago' :) | 18:05 |
| onodera | lol | 18:06 |
| onodera | in dutch there is a single word for 2 days ago | 18:06 |
| pedja | which is? | 18:06 |
| onodera | eergister | 18:07 |
| pedja | that looks like a typo of 'register' | 18:08 |
| onodera | in english there is overmorrow which is an actual vallid word and pretty much a direct translation of "overmorgen" which means the same in dutch | 18:08 |
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| onodera | not sure if yestererday hase a version as well, lol | 18:08 |
| onodera | there we go, ereyesterday | 18:08 |
| onodera | gonna use that one from now on :p | 18:09 |
| jaeger | we have 2 archaic ones for 2 days ago in english. Not used in common speech as far as I know | 18:09 |
| pedja | 'prekjuče' in Serbian | 18:09 |
| jaeger | ereyesterday and nudiustertian | 18:09 |
| pedja | you must kick ass in Scrable, jaeger | 18:10 |
| onodera | now nudiustertian is a fancy word | 18:10 |
| jaeger | pedja: :D | 18:10 |
| jaeger | it's of latin origin | 18:10 |
| pedja | how the times have changed.nowadays everything comes from China. | 18:11 |
| pedja | I agree with onodera , 'nudiustertian' is pretty awesome word | 18:13 |
| pedja | http://wordsmith.org/words/nudiustertian.html | 18:14 |
| pedja | that reminds me to update Artha | 18:17 |
| nullspoon | Hey, quick question that's completely off-topic. What bouncer does everyone here use? | 18:25 |
| nullspoon | I would have asked that nnudiustertain morning, but I forgot to. ;) | 18:26 |
| jaeger | :) | 18:28 |
| jaeger | I don't use any | 18:28 |
| nullspoon | Wow. Just never shut down huh. | 18:30 |
| jaeger | My irssi client runs on a VPS | 18:30 |
| jaeger | which rarely needs to be down | 18:30 |
| nullspoon | Ah, good point. | 18:30 |
| nullspoon | Just run it in tmux and reconnect | 18:30 |
| jaeger | So I suppose you could consider it an SSH/tmux/irssi bouncer | 18:30 |
| nullspoon | herm. I might do that then. Not a bad idea. | 18:31 |
| nullspoon | Let's see here.... | 18:31 |
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| pidsley | installed 3.3-rc1 | 19:02 |
| pidsley | survived its first sysup and everything is working well | 19:02 |
| pidsley | thank you | 19:02 |
| jaeger | glad to hear it :) | 19:06 |
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| nullspoon | jaeger: Well that works okay. | 19:16 |
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| tsaop | okay, the pink/reddish icons are not present in 3.3-rc1 | 19:39 |
| tsaop | now, to find the culprit | 19:40 |
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| pedja | it will be interesting to run this on some(most) stuff I wrote https://github.com/amperser/proselint | 19:47 |
| pedja | (linter for English prose) | 19:48 |
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| vsteve | what do you good people use to burn cds/isos? | 19:53 |
| frinnst | last time i burned something i probably used cdrkit or dvd+rw-tools | 19:56 |
| jaeger | wodim from cdrkit, yeah. Been a long time, though | 19:56 |
| vsteve | these are in the crux ports? | 19:57 |
| frinnst | yes both are in opt | 19:57 |
| vsteve | how the heck did i miss that.. | 19:57 |
| frinnst | :-) | 19:57 |
| vsteve | I've been looking on and off for about a week...I blame holiday-stress induced brain damage | 19:58 |
| vsteve | how do you invoke cdrkit? | 19:59 |
| frinnst | wodim | 19:59 |
| frinnst | also check the .footprint in opt/cdrkit/ | 20:00 |
| vsteve | groovy | 20:00 |
| nullspoon | I'm not a huge fan of checking where the package is and then checking its footprint. Another way you can do it as well is 'pkginfo -l <port>' | 20:01 |
| jaeger | yet another option: $ prt-get cat cdrkit .footprint | 20:01 |
| nullspoon | Well that's useful. Had no idea you could do that. | 20:02 |
| vsteve | crux is full of interesting nooks and crannies | 20:04 |
| vsteve | awesome, well...now I know how to invoke wodim and I realize I'm trying to burn a 1.1G iso to a 700M disc..and I'm out of dvds | 20:06 |
| vsteve | <---doing great | 20:06 |
| jaeger | :) | 20:06 |
| nullspoon | hehe. What's the iso you're trying to burn? Something that size sounds like a linux distro. | 20:08 |
| vsteve | peppermint 7 for my son's laptop | 20:12 |
| nullspoon | Should be able to use a usb stick and dd for that | 20:12 |
| vsteve | yeah that's where i'm at now | 20:13 |
| vsteve | hmm ok, gotta reboot, thanks for the advice | 20:16 |
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| john_cephalopoda | I got some issue with fuse. The kernel module doesn't seem to be installed. | 21:42 |
| frinnst | so enable it - its a kernel driver btw | 21:53 |
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| john_cephalopoda | frinnst: Ah, okay. I was a bit confused because some ubuntu sources say "install the fuse package". | 22:54 |
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| Romster | nullspoon, i run znc i forked someones znc port but i haven't done the final fix to make it run as a znc user yet, nor published it. | 23:48 |
| Romster | tsaop, i don't have that issue on my gtk2 on crux 3.2 | 23:49 |
| Romster | john_cephalopoda, there is two parts to fuse, a kernel module and the userspace fuse port, both are generally needed. | 23:59 |
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