| john_cephalopoda | Yeah, it works now. | 00:03 |
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| dlcusa | I note libvirt ports are way back level and suspect this is due to dependencies such as described in https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=765448 -- am I correct? If so, is CRUX getting left behind? | 00:12 |
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| Romster | not sure dlcusa not used it myself. | 00:22 |
| nullspoon | Romster: I wrote my own znc port earlier today, but opted for jaeger's idea for ssh/tmux/irssi. I'll work on znc again if I don't like how the current solution pans out. | 00:28 |
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| nullspoon | dlcusa: I forked upstream libvirt and upgraded it to the very latest. Didn't have a single problem building and running it myself, so I don't think crux is being left behind. Not sure if I'm missing anything though. | 00:29 |
| nullspoon | Romster: Also, just finished my complete rebuild of my system (prt-get update -fr $(prg-get listinst)). Firefox is still broken without nscd. Need to dig a little deeper it seems. | 00:30 |
| Romster | yeah that is very odd. | 00:30 |
| dlcusa | nullspoon, what about all the dependencies? | 00:54 |
| dlcusa | nullspoon, will you be providing the community with your repo? | 00:55 |
| dlcusa | I've been reading a lengthy chat here back on 2014-04-23 that makes it sound like docker is the preferred way to virtualize using CRUX. | 00:56 |
| Romster | well docker is one way, there is rocket and lxd as well dlcusa | 00:57 |
| Romster | i want to try out lxd at some point | 00:58 |
| Romster | if this works i'll have a docker crux 3.3 image done that actually works. | 00:58 |
| Romster | is uploading it now | 00:58 |
| dlcusa | I _like_ libvirt and I hate for the systemd mindthink crowd to make it hard to keep free, but I was thinking it wasn't feasible to use it anymore. | 00:59 |
| ryu0 | i setup LXD on ubuntu server recently. it was failure painless to setup and deploy. | 01:00 |
| ryu0 | fairly* | 01:00 |
| ryu0 | bah. | 01:00 |
| nullspoon | dlcusa: I was working on something away from my compy. My ports repo is published on the crux ports db. | 01:00 |
| nullspoon | My current libvirt version is 2.5.0 | 01:00 |
| Romster | &^&^( my slow net speeds, i could stick the file on a sd card and post it in the snailmail faster than this upload is going | 01:01 |
| dlcusa | Thanks, nullspoon, you just showed me a bug in my repo management infrastructure! | 01:02 |
| nullspoon | You're welcome? | 01:02 |
| nullspoon | :) | 01:03 |
| Romster | what would that be dlcusa ? | 01:03 |
| nullspoon | Not sure what I did, but sure. | 01:03 |
| dlcusa | Yes, I like to find my bugs so I can rectify them. | 01:03 |
| nullspoon | What bug did you find? | 01:03 |
| Romster | same and i test everything in a container for build errors | 01:03 |
| dlcusa | You pointed out your nullspoon/libvirt port that was inisible to me and should not have been. | 01:04 |
| Romster | missing dependencies etc. | 01:04 |
| Romster | i went over xorg to clean that up ages ago to | 01:04 |
| dlcusa | s/inisible/invisible/ | 01:04 |
| Romster | ah | 01:04 |
| Romster | i am pretty sure that would be a configure time option in debians package | 01:04 |
| Romster | unless upstream libvirt were dicks about it. | 01:05 |
| nullspoon | dlcusa: How do you mean it was invisible? | 01:05 |
| Romster | that's the biggest worry that i told i thin nullspoon yesterday... what if ports start depending on systemd. | 01:05 |
| Romster | nullspoon, finally got on portdb :) | 01:06 |
| dlcusa | I have scripts that grab repo changes every time I want to do ports u. It wasn't tracking nullspoon so I need to find out why and keep that kind of error from recurring. | 01:06 |
| nullspoon | Ohhh. Okay. | 01:07 |
| Romster | btw nullspoon you need to change your http server mime type for Pkgfile .md5sum .footprint basically everything in your ports/ so it's plain/text | 01:07 |
| Romster | noting worse than hitting say the P on portdb and having to download it | 01:08 |
| Romster | than to view it in the browser | 01:08 |
| nullspoon | Romster: I've been meaning to do that. Thanks for the reminder. I'll take care of that now. | 01:08 |
| Romster | no problem | 01:09 |
| dlcusa | romster, depending on systemd code is one thing--processes are quite another (not that I like either, though protecting virtual consoles would be nice). | 01:11 |
| Romster | having systemd as a dependency is like a foot in the door to me. | 01:13 |
| Romster | whats to stop them going hey now you need the init from systemd to do this. | 01:14 |
| Romster | no thank you | 01:14 |
| dlcusa | Exactly. I think that's their strategy. They want all of GNU/Linux requiring their "solution". | 01:15 |
| Romster | crap this failed again :/ | 01:15 |
| Romster | fixed the /dev nodes in it to hmm. | 01:15 |
| Romster | their solution is going to explode and be unmaintianable | 01:16 |
| nullspoon | Okay. My mime types are fixed for Pkgfile, README, .md5sum, and .footprint. Thanks again for the reminder. | 01:16 |
| dlcusa | Well, we're still waiting for that. Soon would be nice. | 01:16 |
| Romster | also for shell and patch files nullspoon ? | 01:17 |
| Romster | like pre-install post-install .patch .diff | 01:17 |
| nullspoon | Romster: What are you uploading? Would it maybe help to have a relay or temporary rsync server to jump from? | 01:17 |
| Romster | just rootfs tarball for docker in this case. but i do tons of uploading to server. | 01:18 |
| Romster | as i build stuff here and upload it | 01:18 |
| jaeger | dlcusa: what you use is your choice. CRUX has no bearing on what the proper solution is | 01:19 |
| nullspoon | Romster: Okay. Just thought I'd offer. My vps has a great network connection and I'd be happy to serve an rsync connection so you could resume on failures. | 01:20 |
| nullspoon | But sounds like you've got access to that already. | 01:20 |
| Romster | i do but at some point i want to get some daemons running to service versionsort.com | 01:21 |
| dlcusa | jaeger, you can't use xyzzy if it has so many undesireable dependencies you simply don't have the time to fork off what you need unless someone else withnthe same itch does have the time. | 01:21 |
| nullspoon | Romster: Also, now it has .pl, .sh, .py, .rb, .patch, .diff, .txt, LICENSE, etc. | 01:22 |
| jaeger | That doesn't change that CRUX does not dictate the way you solve the problem | 01:22 |
| jaeger | docker, libvirt, etc. - CRUX doesn't determine those deps | 01:22 |
| Romster | README | 01:22 |
| Romster | also: README pre-install post-install, that should cover the majority | 01:23 |
| dlcusa | You are speeking of CRUX in the OS concept sense, not in the CRUX is running on a box that now needs xyzzy. | 01:23 |
| nullspoon | Got those too | 01:23 |
| jaeger | that's serious hair-splitting, heh | 01:23 |
| Romster | cool | 01:23 |
| nullspoon | It's just a big list of the common files I serve now that are plain text. | 01:23 |
| nullspoon | er, file extensions | 01:24 |
| jaeger | My point was that the docker vs. libvirt thing is YOUR choice | 01:24 |
| jaeger | That's all | 01:24 |
| dlcusa | If CRUX did not have such a microscopic mindshare vis-a-vis systemd OSes, it would't be so painful. | 01:24 |
| dlcusa | It is a choice I need to evaluate, that is certain. | 01:25 |
| Romster | what end users do to there systems is up to them. | 01:25 |
| jaeger | someone even played with systemd on crux if I remember correctly. horrorstruck, maybe? | 01:26 |
| dlcusa | Who here maintains eudev? | 01:26 |
| Romster | what we include in official repositories for crux is up to the crux devs | 01:26 |
| Romster | yeah i think that was correct jaeger | 01:26 |
| Romster | and i among others played with runit in crux | 01:26 |
| nullspoon | horrorstruck sounds like an appropriate name for someone who's played with getting systemd on a system that doesn't already support it. | 01:27 |
| nullspoon | :D | 01:27 |
| jaeger | I think he was horrorstruck before that :) | 01:27 |
| nullspoon | hehe | 01:27 |
| dlcusa | Deranged sounds more descriptive. | 01:27 |
| nullspoon | Romster: Heh. Forgot another one. REPO files. | 01:28 |
| nullspoon | oops | 01:28 |
| Romster | oh yes REPO needed for httpup | 01:28 |
| nullspoon | Got it added now. | 01:28 |
| nullspoon | So, what was your opinion on runit? I was digging through alternatives to old-style and happened upon void linux, which uses it. Looks like it solves some of the problems with the old style. | 01:29 |
| nullspoon | I haven't played with it much yet, though I thought about trying to get it running on my system here. Should be a fun weekend project. | 01:30 |
| pedja | libvirt runs just fine on Crux.Yes, it was a bit of pain to package :) | 01:34 |
| dlcusa | The CRUX philosophy versus the OS that hopefully has the ports you need or that upstream software you need can be easily ported or you can easily write that software yourself withnthe resources you have available. | 01:35 |
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| pedja | 'no such thing as free lunch'[tm] | 01:36 |
| dlcusa | In many situations CRUX is more desireable but infeasible due to available resources. | 01:37 |
| pedja | 'resources'? | 01:38 |
| dlcusa | Time mostly. | 01:38 |
| nullspoon | Romster: You said nscd isn't running on your system, yes? | 01:38 |
| dlcusa | MAybe you have the funds to hire somebody to help you. | 01:39 |
| pedja | to do what, exactly? | 01:39 |
| dlcusa | Deploy CRUX-based IT solutions. | 01:40 |
| pedja | what does that even mean?what solutions you have in mind? | 01:41 |
| pedja | you can use Crux as a DNS/web/whatever server as is | 01:42 |
| pedja | it's the Lego of OS :) | 01:43 |
| pedja | you get solid, stable foundation to build on | 01:43 |
| dlcusa | Got to run--I'm nursing my wife who is recovering from open heart surgery--major timesink. | 01:44 |
| pedja | damn.good luck to both of you. | 01:45 |
| pedja | I see no replies to the very cryptic bug report on the Crux ML.I wonder why. | 01:52 |
| pedja | maybe 'Wine won't run my game.Help.' is just not enough information?Nah. | 01:55 |
| Romster | nullspoon, nscd is not running on my system | 02:00 |
| Romster | $ ps aux |grep nscd | 02:00 |
| Romster | romster 28950 0.0 0.0 13932 2168 pts/9 S+ 13:00 0:00 grep nscd | 02:00 |
| nullspoon | Well shewt | 02:02 |
| nullspoon | I'm really perplexed here. I've completely rebuilt everything on my system. I still can't get firefox to resolve endpoints without nscd running | 02:03 |
| jaeger | Does it still happen if you reinstall firefox from ISO? or even firefox, nspr, and nss | 02:09 |
| nullspoon | Dunno. I haven't tried that yet. You did just give me an idea. I'll install firefox from iso in just a bit. | 02:11 |
| nullspoon | jaeger: I don't think you were in here when I was talking to Romster about this last night. There isn't any need to help unless you want to. I'm just trying to troubleshoot to learn why this might be happening. If it comes down to it, I'll just fresh install with the 3.3 iso. | 02:12 |
| jaeger | I'm not even sure nss or nspr would make a difference, just guessing | 02:12 |
| jaeger | fair enough | 02:12 |
| nullspoon | As I told Romster, no need to tear your hair out with me. :) | 02:12 |
| nullspoon | Your help is of course welcomed though. | 02:12 |
| Romster | i would build a 3.3 version of firefox for oyu but right now docker is not behaving | 02:15 |
| nullspoon | Thanks very much. | 02:17 |
| nullspoon | Just curious, when you ran that ps for nscd, did you have firefox running? | 02:18 |
| nullspoon | I'm wondering if it doesn't start its own instance of it configured to check for the socket in userspace rather than /var/run. Could be way off base though. | 02:18 |
| jaeger | hrmm, I wonder how long it'll take to build on 20 2.4GHz cores | 02:20 |
| Romster | nullspoon, firefox is running when i ran that ps aux | 02:21 |
| Romster | $ ps aux |egrep '(firefox|nscd)' | 02:22 |
| Romster | romster 3852 13.5 11.2 2103700 918360 ? Sl Dec26 128:38 firefox | 02:22 |
| Romster | romster 29406 0.0 0.0 13936 2120 pts/9 S+ 13:22 0:00 grep -E (firefox|nscd) | 02:22 |
| Romster | so yeah i dunno nothing starts nscd on my system not even firefox. | 02:22 |
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| jaeger | 17m7s with -j20, though probably 3 minutes of that were building the package tarball and footprint :P | 02:37 |
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| SiFuh_ | anyone know of any good software for reading magnetic stripe cards under linux? | 03:13 |
| _JC | haha | 03:13 |
| SiFuh_ | Stripe Snoop never seems to work. | 03:13 |
| _JC | I've never used magnetic stripes, sorry | 03:14 |
| SiFuh_ | You making me feel old | 03:14 |
| _JC | I heard that some of them just decode as audio tones and a computer turns them into actual data | 03:18 |
| _JC | seems like such a jerry-rig type thing | 03:19 |
| SiFuh_ | like a software modem | 03:20 |
| _JC | exactly | 03:20 |
| _JC | ah modems are so awesome | 03:20 |
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| SiFuh_ | I remember buying the 56K PCI Master hardware Modem and the manual said, if you are having trouble connecting to the internet please take a look at this "website". | 03:23 |
| _JC | 56k is fast | 03:24 |
| _JC | who needs websites | 03:24 |
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| _JC | lets go back to just TCP and leaving a connection open with the greeting " Just leave a message in the buffer" | 03:25 |
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| SiFuh_ | I still think IRC is the best | 03:27 |
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| _JC | I feel like IRC is over-complicated | 03:32 |
| _JC | I've never really looked into the protocol though | 03:32 |
| ryu0 | i'll take irc over a proprietary protocol any day. | 03:32 |
| _JC | TCP | 03:32 |
| _JC | yeah IRC is better than proprietary anything | 03:33 |
| _JC | although what proprietary software even compares to IRC? | 03:34 |
| ryu0 | some people prefer skype, google hangouts, etc, which allow more than just text. | 03:34 |
| _JC | gross | 03:35 |
| _JC | Bulletin Board Systems though | 03:35 |
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| Phonester2 | if you want funky take a look at twitch.tv cut down irc protocol with its API interface. weird how they have done that. | 03:53 |
| Phonester2 | it wont even send the nick list unless you set a capability | 03:54 |
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| SiFuh_ | why is it everytime I buy a new mobilephone, I have to dismantle it and make a new antenna since those fsckers can't be bothered making decent 4G LTE antennas? | 06:03 |
| Romster | you can do that? | 06:15 |
| brian|lfs | don't get an IPhone if you want a good antenna lol | 06:16 |
| ryu0 | you'd think for the price they demand, they could stand to put one in. | 06:17 |
| Anselmo | but they need to be thin and light and snazzy! | 06:17 |
| brian|lfs | lol | 06:17 |
| ryu0 | Anselmo: the pursuit of fragility. :) | 06:18 |
| Anselmo | well, you'll just get a new one in a few years, anyway | 06:18 |
| Anselmo | once a year is probably ideal. . .just to keep up to date | 06:19 |
| Romster | i've repaired so many iphones it's ridiculous | 06:20 |
| ryu0 | i still think this joke is relevant now. | 06:21 |
| ryu0 | Apple's biggest innovation was their product name prefix: i[foo]. | 06:22 |
| Anselmo | well, honestly modern cell phones seem to be as much fasion items as tools | 06:23 |
| SiFuh_ | Romster: yes you can. Just need to cut and drill and solder and measure, and calculate :-) | 06:23 |
| Romster | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw2nkoGLhrE | 06:24 |
| Romster | i love this skit | 06:25 |
| SiFuh_ | Romster: I refuse to repair iPhone. However, with that being said. My close friend asked me to look at his iphone 6 that won't turn on. | 06:25 |
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| Romster | dock connector and/or battery is gone or the lcd is dead. | 06:26 |
| Romster | other than those it's dead jim | 06:26 |
| SiFuh_ | HAHAHA laughing at the video you posted | 06:26 |
| SiFuh_ | i think it is battery | 06:26 |
| Romster | battery is very common. especially after it's been dropped | 06:27 |
| Romster | battery seems to fracture. | 06:27 |
| Romster | funny as hell isn't it SiFuh | 06:28 |
| SiFuh_ | yeah | 06:29 |
| SiFuh_ | already made antenna for the Ulefone Power, now making one for the Freetel Musashi | 06:31 |
| SiFuh_ | WTF? I am looking at the Japanese 4G LTE antenna that comes with this phone. It is just a 3mm * 4mm metal foil | 06:51 |
| Romster | i'd love to see pictures of your antenna | 06:52 |
| Romster | i got the samsung s5 | 06:52 |
| SiFuh_ | I will need an email. | 06:52 |
| ryu0 | ACTION watches as this turns into an antenna-measuring contest. | 06:52 |
| ryu0 | =p | 06:52 |
| Romster | and i've seen every antenna in iphones from 34,4s,5,5s,5c,6,6 plus, 6s,6s plus | 06:53 |
| Romster | no 7's as of yet. | 06:53 |
| Romster | has to have a SWR of 1 | 06:53 |
| Romster | and it depends on what frequency of 4G you use. | 06:54 |
| Romster | there is like 3 or 4 bands? | 06:54 |
| Romster | and then it even depends on what mobile carrier you use | 06:54 |
| SiFuh_ | I use ethernet cable and Telstra T-Box wifi antenna | 06:55 |
| Romster | here it's either the optus or telstra network, sure there is other companies but they use the optus towers | 06:55 |
| Romster | O_O | 06:55 |
| Romster | okay no idea how you fit that. | 06:55 |
| SiFuh_ | I use lyca and amaysim. Amaysim on optus virtual and lyca on telstra virtual, really really bad.. | 06:55 |
| SiFuh_ | When I get your email, you will see the photo and know how it is done | 06:56 |
| Romster | be interested since i work on phones. and i know antenna stuff and i can do many things with electronics. | 06:57 |
| Romster | messing with RF is pretty much engineer level stuff. | 06:57 |
| Romster | it's not something you can do with tin foil. | 06:58 |
| cruxbot | [opt.git/3.2]: elfutils: 0.166 -> 0.167 | 07:01 |
| cruxbot | [compat-32.git/3.2]: elfutils-32: 0.166 -> 0.167 | 07:02 |
| SiFuh_ | sent Romster | 07:11 |
| Romster | ta | 07:12 |
| SiFuh_ | i didn't send a separate phot of the 4g LTE japanese antenna but if you want i can, most mobiles are SDR these days | 07:13 |
| SiFuh_ | and you should receive 2 emails | 07:13 |
| Romster | got them SiFuh | 07:25 |
| SiFuh_ | cool | 07:26 |
| Romster | that sort of wire isn't shielded | 07:26 |
| SiFuh_ | suprising how good the signal gets | 07:26 |
| Romster | you need coax | 07:26 |
| SiFuh_ | nope dont want the wire is the antenna | 07:27 |
| Romster | the antenna is that little pcb | 07:27 |
| SiFuh_ | its both | 07:27 |
| SiFuh_ | both wire and pcb work as 1 to get the best length | 07:28 |
| Romster | so that wire length is a exact length? | 07:28 |
| SiFuh_ | yes | 07:28 |
| Romster | for the wavelength | 07:28 |
| SiFuh_ | not exact but very close | 07:28 |
| Romster | that length of cable probably is a few wavelengths long | 07:29 |
| SiFuh_ | yeah the cable plus PCB should be about 6 inches | 07:29 |
| SiFuh_ | my house is perfect for testing 2 story underground | 07:31 |
| Romster | The LTE standard covers a range of many different bands, each of which is designated by both a frequency and a band number. In North America, 700, 750, 800, 850, 1900, 1700/2100 (AWS), 2300 (WCS) 2500 and 2600 MHz (Rogers Communications, Bell Canada) are used (bands 2, 4, 5, 7, 12, 13, 17, 25, 26, 30, 41); 2500 MHz in South America; 700, 800, 900, 1800, 2600 MHz in Europe (bands 3, 7, 20);[113][114] 800, 1800 and 2600 MHz in Asia (bands 1, 3, 5, 7, | 07:33 |
| Romster | 8, 11, 13, 40)[115][116] and 1800 MHz and 2300 MHz in Australia[117][118] and New Zealand (bands 3, 40).[119] As a result, phones from one country may not work in other countries. Users will need a multi-band capable phone for roaming internationally. | 07:33 |
| Romster | anyways 1.8Ghz is 16.7 centimeters | 07:34 |
| SiFuh_ | about 6.5 inches | 07:35 |
| SiFuh_ | ok time for the test | 07:35 |
| Romster | they make an inductor to make the antenna shorter but that also reduces range. | 07:35 |
| SiFuh_ | SDR | 07:36 |
| SiFuh_ | haha we got signal! ;-) | 07:36 |
| SiFuh_ | always makes me happy when it works | 07:36 |
| Romster | so it is noticeably stronger? | 07:40 |
| SiFuh_ | yes | 07:40 |
| SiFuh_ | by only 3 bars when was 0 before | 07:41 |
| Romster | i would prefer a coaxel cable to the plug and then to a antenna that goes up and down the case or even around the outside edge | 07:41 |
| SiFuh_ | wrap it in foil ;-) | 07:42 |
| Romster | i have built some antennas and this is crudely done. | 07:42 |
| Romster | but if it works | 07:42 |
| SiFuh_ | I have seen some pretty good tin foil antennas | 08:03 |
| SiFuh_ | _JC: got MSR206 working with wine ;-) | 09:03 |
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| SiFuh_ | Romster: it is not working on the Japanese phone. :-/ | 11:06 |
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| john_cephalopoda | Hi | 11:19 |
| frinnst | http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel%20Core%20i3-2120%20%40%203.30GHz | 11:23 |
| frinnst | thats what I suffer with at work | 11:23 |
| frinnst | load average: 6.53, 6.69, 6.50 | 11:23 |
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| dlcusa | The latest Missing Package Report is available at http://bpaste.net/show/1d7d563d1213 -- if you have a repo, check this for any issues with your ports. | 11:55 |
| retard | thank you | 12:15 |
| frinnst | where are you fetching the MissingPackage names from? | 12:20 |
| frinnst | libasound2-dev doesnt sound crux'ish | 12:21 |
| retard | presumably the package files themselves | 12:24 |
| retard | yeah | 12:24 |
| retard | http://crux.eckner.net/ptlib/Pkgfile for instance | 12:24 |
| dlcusa | frinnst, the Depends On objects in the port's Pkgfile. | 12:25 |
| dlcusa | I get the Pkgfiles by running ports u with an exhaustive prtdir list in /etc/prt-get.conf. | 12:29 |
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| dlcusa | Note nogagplz and pitillo entries appear twice because I managed to get two prtdir statements for them in my prt-get.conf (now fixed). | 12:52 |
| Romster | i'm not sure how you are getting this list | 12:55 |
| dlcusa | romster, bash and gawk scripts I wrote. | 12:56 |
| Romster | and kf5 not there? | 12:56 |
| Romster | cat /etc/ports/kf5.git | 12:56 |
| Romster | NAME=kf5 | 12:56 |
| Romster | URL=https://github.com/tsaop/crux-kf5.git | 12:56 |
| Romster | BRANCH=master | 12:56 |
| Romster | i forgot to fix my ports up from last report.. | 12:57 |
| dlcusa | All I know is ports u isn't installing a kf5 in my /usr/ports tree. | 12:59 |
| Romster | not without git being installed | 12:59 |
| dlcusa | I have git installed. Are you talking about an /etc/ports driver? | 13:00 |
| Romster | that is in git port. | 13:00 |
| Romster | for the /etc/ports/drivers/git opt/git | 13:01 |
| dlcusa | My box uses the opt git port. | 13:01 |
| Romster | and then it'll work on kf5 | 13:01 |
| dlcusa | portdb has kp4, no kf5, for the brief time I've been using CRUX. | 13:04 |
| Romster | it's not published there no. | 13:05 |
| Romster | it should get listed though tsaop ^ | 13:05 |
| dlcusa | So how do normal CRUXers get that driver? Ditto xfce these days? | 13:05 |
| Romster | git driver or something else? | 13:07 |
| dlcusa | Where is it documented in the Handbook? | 13:07 |
| Romster | xfce e and kde4 are not documented. i think it only lists openbox or something in the manual | 13:08 |
| Romster | been ages since i've even looked at that | 13:09 |
| Romster | or it might just use dwm? | 13:09 |
| dlcusa | For many of us newbies, it's all we've got to go by. | 13:09 |
| Romster | all i can say is sepen or alan has not updated kde or xfec4 in quite some time. | 13:10 |
| Romster | probably mate or i3 that jaeger maintains or kd5 is more likely to work, thin e18 or e19 about to, but i haven't looked at that in awhile. | 13:12 |
| dlcusa | I'd say if portdb doesn't know about it, that's a big problem--portdb should be the canonical source. | 13:13 |
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| kori | cheers | 13:22 |
| xcko | my 2c, I'm with dlcusa suggesting that portdb should be the primo source, but as romster showed, writing a driver is super simple | 13:23 |
| SiFuh_ | cheers | 13:23 |
| xcko | hello | 13:23 |
| SiFuh_ | hello | 13:24 |
| kori | happy holidays, everyone | 13:26 |
| xcko | thanks you too | 13:27 |
| SiFuh_ | I had to work | 13:27 |
| SiFuh_ | i am doing sign language that you don't want to know kori ;-) | 13:27 |
| kori | flipping the bird? | 13:28 |
| SiFuh_ | no that bird is dead | 13:28 |
| kori | oh | 13:28 |
| kori | well | 13:28 |
| SiFuh_ | more like hurling an elephant | 13:28 |
| kori | hopefully your new years is gonna be better | 13:28 |
| SiFuh_ | working too | 13:28 |
| xcko | well whenever you have a day off, hope there's no birds or elephants | 13:29 |
| SiFuh_ | thanks ;-) that was an awesome reply. | 13:30 |
| kori | ^^^^^^ | 13:30 |
| SiFuh_ | hope you have a good one too | 13:30 |
| kori | thanks I appreciate that | 13:31 |
| SiFuh_ | so does the elephant and bird | 13:31 |
| xcko | hurled or dead as they may be | 13:34 |
| SiFuh_ | telstra cut 2g during december | 13:35 |
| SiFuh_ | there 4g is great | 13:35 |
| SiFuh_ | for them... shittiest 4g ever! | 13:35 |
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| xcko | 2g < 4g? did it get better? | 13:39 |
| xcko | not to say a shitty connection doesn't suck - but improvements are nice | 13:40 |
| SiFuh_ | 4g is crap | 13:40 |
| SiFuh_ | it has not coverage | 13:41 |
| Romster | 4G is for data only not for voice calls | 13:41 |
| Romster | that still uses 3G | 13:41 |
| SiFuh_ | and yet advertised as improved, yet they haven't improved the network, just updated software | 13:41 |
| SiFuh_ | yes where is 3G? | 13:41 |
| Romster | 3G is everywhere | 13:42 |
| SiFuh_ | guess what it isn't | 13:42 |
| Romster | and 2G was? | 13:42 |
| SiFuh_ | here in QLD it was | 13:43 |
| SiFuh_ | we had to upgrade all our systems to 4G lost thousands of dollars due to connecton issues | 13:43 |
| SiFuh_ | in April Optus will do the same | 13:44 |
| Romster | yeah optus is turning off 2G soon | 13:44 |
| SiFuh_ | April | 13:44 |
| SiFuh_ | telstr shut it down December 1st 2016 | 13:44 |
| xcko | what's the thinking behind turning it off? | 13:45 |
| SiFuh_ | lack of users | 13:46 |
| SiFuh_ | but i think it is force people to catch up with modern tech | 13:46 |
| SiFuh_ | i loved my Nokia 3310 | 13:46 |
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| SiFuh_ | 2 TB | 13:49 |
| SiFuh_ | microSD Card Support | 13:49 |
| SiFuh_ | since when has micro SD created a 2 TB card? | 13:50 |
| xcko | wow 2TB on a phone? | 13:50 |
| xcko | that's insane | 13:50 |
| SiFuh_ | http://global.blackberry.com/en/smartphones/dtek50-60-by-blackberry/overview.html | 13:50 |
| Romster | i can't even fill my 128GB microsd card on my phone... | 13:51 |
| SiFuh_ | i have a 32gb it is kind a full | 13:52 |
| xcko | my laptop is only 120G... | 13:52 |
| SiFuh_ | you can run your entire comp on an sd card ;-) | 13:52 |
| xcko | flash memory too! | 13:53 |
| SiFuh_ | Aparrently "LG" makes one | 13:56 |
| SiFuh_ | Sony Xperia Z5 Premium [E6853] | 13:58 |
| SiFuh_ | $9,999.00 | 13:58 |
| SiFuh_ | Hahaha | 13:58 |
| SiFuh_ | 51 hehe ;-) | 14:01 |
| xcko | does it include a cell tower? can't use it otherwise | 14:14 |
| xcko | I've discovered some ip cameras that I think require activex. anyway I can access them from crux? | 14:16 |
| Sitri | http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/20694/activex-under-linux | 14:27 |
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| xcko | ies4linux complained about needing winecreateprefix, something that apparently existed in wine 0.9.x when it was last updated, but not 1.9.x | 15:08 |
| xcko | thanks though | 15:08 |
| xcko | I'm thinking maybe tapping the rtsp stream directly might be easier | 15:09 |
| pedja | this is so cool https://dashboard.congress.ccc.de/ | 15:10 |
| frinnst | http://grafana.org/ | 15:16 |
| pedja | frinnst, have you seen this https://amigalove.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=168 | 15:18 |
| pedja | bbl | 15:19 |
| frinnst | yep :-) | 15:19 |
| frinnst | thanks though | 15:19 |
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| frinnst | im toying with the idea of buying a zorro ethernet card | 15:39 |
| frinnst | x-surf - blistering 100mbit performance | 15:40 |
| frinnst | but its a bit too non-cheap perhaps | 15:40 |
| frinnst | ~100EUR | 15:40 |
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| john_cephalopoda | CyanogenMod ceased to exist. | 16:09 |
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| SiFuh_ | LineageOS | 16:11 |
| john_cephalopoda | There is practically no info on that. | 16:12 |
| frinnst | its a fork | 16:12 |
| john_cephalopoda | Well, yeah. But it is not supported by a company any more and nobody knows who is still working on it. | 16:14 |
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| pedja | "not supported by a company any more and nobody knows who is still working on it" <---95% of Android phones, once you buy them | 16:42 |
| pedja | yeah, hall of shame will teach vendors a lesson, Google.Riiiight. | 16:44 |
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| frinnst | it might though, if it would get lots of publicity | 16:45 |
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| pedja | yeah, Samsung got a lot of that this year :) | 16:47 |
| frinnst | isnt it just lovely? every single wordpress installation is currently vulnerable to a remote code exploit | 16:47 |
| frinnst | http://legalhackers.com/advisories/PHPMailer-Exploit-Remote-Code-Exec-CVE-2016-10033-Vuln.html | 16:47 |
| john_cephalopoda | pedja: ? | 17:13 |
| john_cephalopoda | pedja: Ah. | 17:13 |
| pedja | the 'joys of using $200 programming font' article really sparked the debate on HN :) | 17:16 |
| john_cephalopoda | That looks like a hipster font. | 17:18 |
| pedja | nah, hipsters don't use mass produced stuff. | 17:19 |
| pedja | font from a small Italian font foundry is $1000. | 17:20 |
| john_cephalopoda | I can get a good computer for that price, plus a few thousand open fonts. | 17:21 |
| pedja | I only need 2, Source{Pro,Code} | 17:22 |
| pedja | thank you, Adobe | 17:23 |
| john_cephalopoda | I use whatever qtcreator and geany use. | 17:23 |
| pedja | system default, I would guess | 17:24 |
| pedja | http://penguindreams.org/blog/building-a-thin-itx-router/ | 17:27 |
| pedja | his router is more powerful than my desktop machine... | 17:27 |
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| pedja | but my machine keeps me warm on cold nights, so there is that | 17:32 |
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| frinnst | win win | 17:43 |
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| druid_droid | hello, should port system get the source from up stream, have a costum script that extracts and commit to a local git repo and tag with a version, | 18:04 |
| druid_droid | or should git repo be updated from up stream and port system get the source from local version | 18:04 |
| druid_droid | I'm thinking to have everything under git, localy, if each project is mirrored can grow big, if I maintain via port sistem each new port version will be a commit and a tag with a version | 18:05 |
| john_cephalopoda | druid_droid: The 6c37 has a standardized way to do that. | 18:06 |
| druid_droid | actualy I use their ports, but don't have realize that, | 18:06 |
| druid_droid | is more information on their github page ? | 18:06 |
| john_cephalopoda | https://github.com/6c37/crux-ports-git/blob/3.2/nitrogen/Pkgfile | 18:07 |
| john_cephalopoda | Here is an example one. | 18:07 |
| druid_droid | thanks | 18:07 |
| john_cephalopoda | They actually make a tool that enables people to easily create ports, it can be found at https://github.com/6c37/cross | 18:08 |
| druid_droid | but this is for X windows ? | 18:08 |
| john_cephalopoda | "mkport" in the folder "utils" | 18:08 |
| john_cephalopoda | You mean mkport? It is a CLI program that asks a few questions and generates a skeleton Pkgfile. | 18:10 |
| druid_droid | do they have a "page" or is just github, it seems they also have a wiki | 18:10 |
| druid_droid | oh, no | 18:10 |
| druid_droid | I'm automating things here, I'm building a deploy script for gitolite | 18:10 |
| druid_droid | and I will also have scripts managing clones of central gitolite server, | 18:11 |
| druid_droid | I was thinking to have all the sources used by the port system (pkgmk, prt-get) being hosted on central git | 18:12 |
| druid_droid | At this moment they are at /srv/ports/distfiles with repeating code for each version of a port | 18:12 |
| druid_droid | By having all the sources centralized and organized on git is easy to browse the sources, see versions, what changed, make a branch make fixes, deploy that branch and share fixes to upstream | 18:14 |
| druid_droid | and avoid repeating tar's at /usr/ports/distfiles, this way is easy only to have one from last commit on local git, | 18:15 |
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| pedja | git doesn't like binary files (tarballs and such) very much | 18:56 |
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| tsaop | hello | 18:56 |
| tsaop | I solved the problem with the pink icons in GTK2 | 18:57 |
| tsaop | the culprit was llvm 3.9.1 | 18:57 |
| tsaop | reverting to 3.9.0 fixed the problem | 18:57 |
| tsaop | relevant bug report: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=99078 | 18:59 |
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| dlcusa | romster, frinnst, jaeger, jue, once I created /etc/ports/kf5.git, I was able to add those ports to the mix. Before I rebuild the report, are there any other missing repos I should be tracking? | 19:05 |
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| dlcusa | Here's the updated Missing Packages Report including the kf5 hits and misses: http://bpaste.net/show/7aefcfb660d4 | 19:49 |
| jaeger | pedja: I have a similar small router, though I didn't build it quite from parts as he did... used an OEM production 2550l2d | 20:00 |
| jaeger | works great as a pfsense box | 20:00 |
| pedja | http://oemproduction.com/products/2700L2D-MxPC.asp <--this one? | 20:01 |
| jaeger | yeah, looks right. | 20:05 |
| kori | hey jaeger | 20:08 |
| jaeger | o/ | 20:10 |
| pedja | nice.any issues with Broadcom NICs? | 20:11 |
| jaeger | Nope. They're a pretty common flavor, well-supported | 20:11 |
| pedja | or did you put quad Intel 10gbit you had collecting dust ;) ? | 20:11 |
| jaeger | It's not big enough for any expansion cards except for a mini-pcie wireless card or similar | 20:12 |
| pedja | ah, yes.my bad. | 20:12 |
| jaeger | The freebsd bge driver is solid | 20:12 |
| joacim | that's cheaper than my pc engines board | 20:12 |
| jaeger | Yeah. I've used a couple pc engines boards in the past and they work great, but they're a bit expensive | 20:14 |
| pedja | btw, jaeger, since you maintain go and docker ports, are you interested in up o date docker-machine port :) ? | 20:14 |
| jaeger | I don't use docker-machine so I don't think I could adequately test it | 20:15 |
| pedja | OK.I updated prologic's one just for the hell of it. | 20:17 |
| jaeger | You could take it over, he's retired | 20:17 |
| pedja | can't test it properly. | 20:18 |
| jaeger | :) | 20:19 |
| pedja | it has a bunch of drivers. DO, Azure, EC2, VBox, but no intention of doing libvirt, so :) | 20:21 |
| frinnst | I should start playing with my apu2. its quietly sitting in a corner not doing anything | 20:23 |
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| jaeger | definitely | 20:30 |
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| joacim | got an rpi3 doing that now | 20:38 |
| joacim | a bit cheaper than an apu2 so i didnt waste too much on something doing nothing | 20:38 |
| samsep10l | Hi, anyone have tried run wine on crux-32 x86_64 successfully? I got a lot of errors :( | 20:39 |
| joacim | dont think i've ever built wine on crux | 20:39 |
| john_cephalopoda | dlcusa: kf5? Nice! I always got problems because some part of kf is missing (e.g. when I am compiling krita). | 20:45 |
| jaeger | samsep10l: errors during compile or run? | 20:49 |
| samsep10l | during run | 20:49 |
| jaeger | pastebin a log, maybe someone will know. I haven't used wine in some time, myself | 20:50 |
| cruxbot | [contrib.git/3.2]: nginx: updated to version 1.11.8 | 20:54 |
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| samsep10l | http://pastebin.com/FqUNKTX1 | 20:56 |
| jaeger | does it fail with both 32-bit and 64-bit prefixes? | 20:58 |
| samsep10l | only fail during 64-bit prefixes, in 32-bit with WINEPREFIX=~/.wine32 WINEARCH=win32 wine wincfg run just fine | 21:01 |
| jaeger | hrmm, sounds like a wine bug, might want to check their issues | 21:03 |
| jaeger | check with Romster when he's around, too | 21:04 |
| samsep10l | i'll check wine irc to get more info. Thank you jaeger | 21:08 |
| jaeger | welcome, good luck | 21:08 |
| jaeger | I sorta remember gcc 5.something causing a similar problem but I don't remember if that was the same or if it was solved | 21:08 |
| samsep10l | i don't know :( well, i'll hope that wine team can help me, but i'll try check it with Romster anyway | 21:40 |
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| pedja | debugging ssh issues is *so* fun.thank $deity for 'ssh -vvv' | 22:36 |
| pedja | as it turns out, it was an issue on Bitbucket side. | 22:37 |
| pedja | when does the raffle for git repos on brand spanking new crux.nu start? | 22:41 |
| pedja | s/raffle/Battle Royale | 22:44 |
| frinnst | no raffle. not enough storage for that | 22:47 |
| frinnst | atleast not for random user-repos | 22:47 |
| frinnst | ~250gb only | 22:48 |
| frinnst | /dev/md2 177G 498M 168G 1% /home | 22:48 |
| frinnst | 177 even | 22:48 |
| pedja | that's still local, or did you hook it up at the DC? | 22:49 |
| pedja | one of these days I'll have to properly clean up my XFCE repo. | 22:53 |
| pedja | after 3.3 is out, probably | 22:54 |
| frinnst | local storage. temporaily hosted at work | 22:54 |
| frinnst | it will be moved to kalmarndc where the current server is hosted when we are done setting it up | 22:54 |
| pedja | have you decided on which wiki/bug tracker will you be using on it? | 22:57 |
| frinnst | think so. dunno | 22:57 |
| pedja | I am out of coffee, and it's too cold outside to go to the store, so zzz. | 22:58 |
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| brian|lfs | good to see more people the past few days | 23:41 |
| brian|lfs | in here | 23:41 |
| cruxbot | [opt.git/3.2]: wine: 2.0-rc1 -> 2.0-rc2 | 23:42 |
| cruxbot | [opt.git/3.2]: wine: 2.0-rc2 -> 2.0-rc3 | 23:42 |
| kori | brian|lfs: aye cheers | 23:43 |
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