IRC Logs for #crux Tuesday, 2017-03-28

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brian|lfscippp, you around?02:02
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brian|lfsjaeger, I put gptfdisk on my repo since yuo didn't agree with me really I figured maybe someone would want to use it at somepoint02:30
jaegerSounds fine. I personally don't use it but others may want to02:32
brian|lfsexactly its pretty much almost obsolete now with cfdisk supporting tp02:33
brian|lfsGPT02:33
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brian|lfsI  need to eventually work on my brother pritner driver or brother drivers as a whole02:41
brian|lfscome up with some sort of system where you just dmp the RPMs in and the script extracts them and puts the files int he correct location and does sym links propery02:42
brian|lfsproperly02:42
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brian|lfsI figure just to make packages for my printer would be stupid becuase I"m sure there are lots of people that have brother printers besides me02:42
abenzwhat brand is your brothers printer?02:43
abenz:P02:43
brian|lfs8250cdw02:43
brian|lfscolor laser02:43
brian|lfsamazing how cheap laser is now02:43
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abenzso brian|lfs02:48
abenzwhats the latest gadget you got02:48
brian|lfswow lol02:48
brian|lfsordered a drone02:48
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brian|lfshttp://www.woot.com/offers/ehang-ghostdrone-2-0-vr-ios-android-models-102:49
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brian|lfshmm I see wireless commands don't work on the crux iso05:12
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otwieraczHello.06:01
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otwieraczIn compat-32/gnutls-32 there's „rm -r” command in Pkgfile.06:01
otwieraczIn some cases it's going to become interactive and ask user for deletion confirmation, like:06:02
otwieraczhttp://paste.lisp.org/display/34260406:02
otwieraczOK, I've create bug requesdt.06:07
emmett1otwieracz, theres nothing wrong with that command06:11
emmett1it removing $PKG/usr/share/{info,locale,man} and $PKG/usr/{bin,include,share}06:12
otwieraczBut without -f.06:13
otwieraczhttp://paste.lisp.org/display/342604#106:13
emmett1without -f it will remove anyway i think06:14
otwieraczIf you're trying to delete -w file as non-root (even if you're the owner), then `rm' is going to ask if you're sure.06:14
otwieraczwhat's not really expected during build process left overnight. :)06:14
emmett1right, i see06:14
otwieraczThis is of couse the case only if you're building as non-root.06:15
emmett1yeah you're right06:17
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.3]: fcron: don't ask for missing user fcron08:18
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pedjateK_, libseccomp moved to GH, if you want to update your port from contrib https://github.com/seccomp/libseccomp/11:31
teK_sure I do11:32
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.3]: libseccomp: 2.1.1 -> 2.3.211:37
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koyaCan i look google-chrome pkgfile on archlinux, and adapt it with crux Pkgfile rule?13:39
fyrekoya, you sure can13:59
koyaI'll try it.13:59
fyrekoya, this will probably work https://raw.githubusercontent.com/wildefyr/wild-crux-ports/master/google-chrome/Pkgfile14:01
fyreno warranty though as I haven't been on crux in nearly a year14:01
koyaThanks fyre, will try it too14:02
koyaso what OS do you use now?14:02
fyrewindows gfg14:03
koyaoh ok .-.14:05
joacimfrinnst: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMNFoNtKCR814:30
joacimdo you regret your purchase now? =)14:30
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frinnstfuck :(14:31
frinnsttimedemo 114:31
frinnsti dont remember what i used to get with my v2 sli setup14:32
frinnstceleron 300a @ 450mhz14:32
frinnst64mb ram14:32
frinnst60-70 fps or something14:33
frinnsthttps://github.com/jdolan/quake214:33
frinnstACTION pokes jdolan 14:33
frinnstsecond hit at ddg for "quake 2 linux"14:33
joacimi couldn't figure out quake 2 back then14:34
joacimtook until halflife for me to figure out that mouselook was a thing14:34
frinnsthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8JLBq4xoAw brilliant14:35
joacimit's confusing when the captcha wants me to select pictures with grass when most of the pictures are of storefronts14:49
joacimi select those without reading14:49
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frinnstjdolan: audio sounds a bit strange with regular alsa14:58
jdolanoh? :)14:58
jdolanyou should join #quetoo if you're interested in my Quake stuffs.14:59
frinnstand any tips for running in xinerama and not having the cursor right between the screens? :)14:59
frinnsti need to benchmark my ryzen 1800 with it! :)15:01
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jdolanheh, no. 2 monitors sucks for FPS gaming.15:05
jdolan3 is great, 1 is good, 2 sucks.15:05
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pedjaI had more fun packaging Warsow, AlienArena and Red Eclipse than actually playing them.Because I suck at gaming, FPS in particular :)15:09
jdolanhehe15:18
jdolani have more fun hacking on Quetoo than playing, too.15:19
frinnsti still have a bunch of q2 demos15:23
frinnstTeam B is ready!15:24
frinnst       Your ghost code is "677".15:24
frinnstAuto-disabling warmup... finish readying up!15:24
frinnstnostalgia!15:24
jdolanhehe15:27
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pedjavkQuake is partially broken with Nvidia drivers (it's a known issue)15:58
pedjaI use it just to test Vulkan, anyway, so no big deal16:00
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abenz_frinnst: what do you use for a gfx card in your ryzen box?17:47
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frinnstrx47018:10
cruxbot[opt.git/3.3]: firefox: updated to 52.0.218:35
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pedjafrinnst, did you add pulseaudio as FF dependency yet?18:52
pedjaACTION hides.again.18:52
tsaopthere is still time18:54
tsaopno need to hurry18:54
pedjait works fine with PA using alsa backend :)18:54
pedjaFF-54.x is the version that will require rust to build, or was it 56.x?18:56
tsaopshould be 5419:10
john_cephalopodaYeah, and FF-57 will require Microsoft Windows and a netflix subscription to build...19:21
tsaopyou can just use the MiniBrowser provided in the webkitgtk sources19:23
john_cephalopoda:D:19:28
john_cephalopodaI hope that in little time, a better, free alternative to all the bad things will emerge.19:36
john_cephalopodaDRM is getting stronger in browsers, people switch things to PulseAudio, etc.19:37
ryu0john_cephalopoda: finit is promising, as far as systemd is concerned.19:37
john_cephalopodaJS is a horrible language, CSS is a nightmare, HTML and Canvas are getting more and more complicated.19:37
ryu0no idea if CRUX plans to switch away from sysvinit at all.19:38
john_cephalopodaryu0: Well, I'm using Crux on all my computers, so I have no systemd. I also got no pulse.19:38
ryu0john_cephalopoda: you don't? What are you, a zombie?19:38
john_cephalopodaBRAAAAAINS!19:38
tsaopI tried runit briefly and I liked it19:38
tsaopit seemed very simple and to the point19:39
john_cephalopodaryu0: Crux doesn't use sysvinit, it uses some BSD-style init.19:39
john_cephalopodaI doubt that Crux will ever switch to systemd. Crux is founded on the KISS principle, and unlike Archlinux I'm sure that it will continue that way.19:39
ryu0john_cephalopoda: ... they use sysvinit software. https://crux.nu/ports/crux-3.2/core/sysvinit/Pkgfile19:39
ryu0/etc/inittab is sysvinit as well.19:40
john_cephalopodaOh, so it does BSD-style init using sysvinit? :D19:40
ryu0i suppose so.19:40
ryu0the init scripts are like sysvinit. i used to use it.19:40
john_cephalopodaI haven't really done anything with sysvinit yet, and even less with systemd ;)19:41
pedjato be fair, most of the code in web rendering engines is there to deal with the broken websites :)20:15
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pedjaand modern Web technologies20:18
pedjaI switched to Pulseaudio, and it just works with everything I tried so far.20:21
pedjaweb, multimedia, few games I have and rarely play.20:21
pedjathings evolve, that's just the nature of things20:23
pedjait's mind boggling that some of the tools that we use every day are more than 40 years old20:26
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pedjaUnix history repo is fascinating20:27
pedjawhat is sad is that most kids today think of computers as appliances, like washing machine or fridge20:29
tsaopthat's normal, since they are so widespread20:30
tsaopit's the same with cars20:30
pedjafor them, it's a black box that gets them to facebook/instagram20:31
pedjano interest how it works or what's inside20:31
tsaopfor me, a car it's a black box where I just turn the key and I make it take me where I need to go20:32
tsaopI also have no interest on what's inside20:32
pedjayou won't be bothered with driverless cars then, I guess :)20:38
tsaopI guess not20:39
tsaopIf not for the initial distrust20:39
tsaopI believe it would go away as the technology progresses20:39
pedjaElon Musk is talking about merging with machines. I hope he doesn't mean Borg-like ;)20:42
ryu0We are the Borg. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.20:42
pedjathe *other* Google slogan20:45
tsaopCan't wait to have TripAdvisor hardwired into my self-driving car20:47
tsaopso that it may take me only to the most approved places when I'm in a new city20:48
pedjafor sneak peak into the future, 'Black Mirror' series20:50
j_vreiserfsprogs needs some attention. I'm pretty sure the include files shouldn't be at /include.21:01
tsaopj_v: looking at the Pkgfile, the passed --prefix to configure is "/"21:02
tsaopso, everything is installed under root21:02
tsaopprobably for availability in case of a separated /usr partition21:02
john_cephalopodapedja: A lot of tools are older than 40 years because they are just good tools.21:03
john_cephalopodaIRC is still the best protocol for text-based chat.21:03
john_cephalopodaAt least group chat.21:04
john_cephalopodaPerson-to-person is better with XMPP/Jabber, which is already 18 years old.21:04
j_vtsaop: yeah, was just looking at that also. I notice in git history, the footprint doesn't get borked until the last version bump, so there must have be a change upstream that added installing the development files with the default install make target21:05
john_cephalopodaOr 13 years, when you go after standardisation.21:05
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j_vman, the rpath on the install binaries for reiserfsprogs is also hosed [//lib]21:14
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j_vI've submitted FS#1396 for issues with reiserfsprogs. Patch is included.21:55
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.3]: wg: 20170115 -> 2017032422:15
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brian|lfshello all the new bu ild of firefox isn't compiling for me22:53
brian|lfsany susgestions22:53
onoderabrian|lfs: post the logs22:56
onoderaor be lazy like me and use Romster's package22:56
jaegerbrian|lfs: if something isn't building, ALWAYS post logs or be explicit about what's failing23:04
brian|lfsI did post the log23:05
brian|lfsoh shit I'm blind lol23:05
brian|lfshttps://paste.pound-python.org/show/OgfhvaolXrFzzpKjng1d/23:05
brian|lfssorry multiple windows I thought I posted the log23:05
jaeger/home/pkgmk/work/firefox/src/firefox-52.0.2/firefox-shared/dist/include/nsStyleStruct.h:443:3: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault23:06
jaegerdoesn't look promising23:06
jaegerI'd try building it with the default cflags first, then testing RAM if that doesn't help23:07
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brian|lfsmy mesa3d was using xorg instead of nvidia23:30
brian|lfsugh23:30
brian|lfsso X crashed23:30
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brian|lfsit compiled fine now jaeger23:47
brian|lfsmaybe it was a compile option no clue23:47
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