IRC Logs for #crux Tuesday, 2017-04-25

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frinnsthttps://www.twitch.tv/cosmos06:55
frinnstawesome06:55
rauz/clear/clear07:16
rauzfail07:16
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frinnsthttp://i.imgur.com/5hejLJc.jpg08:31
frinnstbriliant08:31
john_cephalopodaD:08:35
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joacimfrinnst: that looks super convenient. i want screw terminals in my home too10:04
joacimfor my loose wires without schuko plugs.10:05
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frinnstyeah my thoughts too10:11
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cruxbot[core.git/3.3]: vim: update to 8.0.58614:48
cruxbot[opt.git/3.3]: unbound: update to 1.6.214:49
cruxbot[opt.git/3.3]: pure-ftpd: update to 1.0.4614:49
cruxbot[opt.git/3.3]: gvim: update to 8.0.58614:49
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cruxbot[xorg.git/3.3]: libinput: update to 1.7.117:25
dlcusaWhile catching up, came across https://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/5/2017/04/22/devuan_1_0_0_released/ comment extracted into http://paste.lisp.org/display/345143 that suggests systemd is slowly failing.17:28
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frinnstdont hold your breath17:33
cruxbot[opt.git/3.3]: harfbuzz: updated to 1.4.617:40
cruxbot[opt.git/3.3]: nss: updated to 3.30.217:40
john_cephalopodadlcusa: No proof at all.17:45
john_cephalopodaTake godot engine as an example https://github.com/godotengine/godot17:48
john_cephalopoda1817 open issues!17:48
john_cephalopodaYet it is not dying at all. The contrary is the case.17:49
frinnstmore issues more bugs17:49
abenz__.. more fun?17:49
frinnstor crux would be the most stable and brilliant distributions ever17:49
frinnsts/issues/users/g17:49
john_cephalopodaSystemd is crap and doesn't follow the KISS principle. I hope that crux will always stay with a BSD-style init.17:52
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pedjaconfirmation bias is strong in this one19:23
pedja'there is a good init system screaming to get out somewhere in the systemd bowels'19:26
pedjaiirc, systemd was inspired by Solaris SMF and macOS launchd(?)19:31
pedjaand both of those are proper, certified Unices19:33
pedjaso why would Linux be constrained with 50 years old 'Unix philosophy', when actual Unices aren't?19:35
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john_cephalopodaHow do you define "actual unix"?19:44
pedjaone that can trace its roots here https://github.com/dspinellis/unix-history-repo19:49
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pedjathe point that I am trying to make is, I wish that the only issue with systemd that it isn't KISS :)19:53
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pedjaLinux, being Unix-like, is free to cherry pick all, some of none of the Unix philosophy19:55
pedjas/of/or19:55
pedjathe problem is that the discussion is rarely technical, with zealots on both sides screaming past each other20:09
pedjaand that is much bigger issue than systemd or Gnome3 'dumbing down'20:10
pedjaLinux 'community' is a bunch of tribes20:11
pedjasome tribes more friendly than others :)20:12
pedjaand wishing systemd away is delusional20:13
pedjait is here to stay, until another shiny thing comes along20:14
pedjasomeone suggested to buy  Lennart Poetering(sp?) a dog or a turtle, so he wouldn't have time to write software :)20:15
pedja'Do we have a plan B? -Yeah, make sure that plan A fucking works.'20:17
pedjaRoci crew ftw20:18
pedjanews flash: most Linux users, when they use any mainstream distro, care: will Skype/Steam work. don't care: which init system it uses20:22
pedjabecause that's the whole point of any OS: to run applications20:23
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pedjathat is how Apple made its gazillion dollars: they sell 'an experience'20:27
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pedjawe may not like the idea, walled garden and all that, but, clearly, a *lot* of people do.20:29
abenzwow pedja20:30
abenzeasy there buddy20:30
pedjaabenz, that's the way I see it.20:31
abenzagreed20:31
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brian|lfsskype works fine over here20:37
pedjaif I replace Win10 on my sister's laptop with OpenSuse running KDE, would she notice? Probably not, if desktop shortcuts point to FF that opens FB automagically :)20:38
john_cephalopodaThe experience I buy (well, get for free) is an OS that lets me tweak everything and lets me delete any drive at any time for any reason.20:38
john_cephalopodaAnd that is comprehensive enough to work with on a low level.20:38
john_cephalopodabrian|lfs: web.skype.com works well for chat. For video, I use meet.jit.si.20:38
john_cephalopodaAnd for voicechat I use mumble.20:39
brian|lfswell pedja I wouldn't replace your sisters windows 10 with CRUX20:39
brian|lfsunless you want to maintain it all the time20:39
john_cephalopodaI really only use Skype to stay in touch with some friends.20:39
pedjabrian|lfs, me neither, I can't run as fast as I used to :)20:39
john_cephalopodaFor the rest, I use one application that does one thing and does it well ;)20:39
pedjamost users use only one application, anyway, the browser20:45
brian|lfssudo prt-get sysup20:48
brian|lfsprt-get: updating /usr/ports/opt/harfbuzz20:48
brian|lfs=======> ERROR: Signature mismatch found:20:48
brian|lfsMISMATCH        .footprint20:48
nwecd20:49
pedjabrian|lfs, ping frinnst, that's his port :)20:49
brian|lfslol20:49
brian|lfsI trust frinnst I use -is to install it for now20:50
pedjaif I may suggest, use #crux-dev for stuff like that20:53
brian|lfsah ok didn't know about #crux-dev20:53
brian|lfsYou guys ever here this weird guy on youtube LOL20:55
brian|lfshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AInTeU9JVnI20:55
pedja'weird guy on YT' doesn't narrow it down much :)20:57
brian|lfshis name is Frankie he gives the weather forcast for snow storms witht he worlds most annoying voice he can come up with20:57
brian|lfsthis is disturbing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeeKe74fP9w21:00
pedjaI like my weather forecast presented by gorgeous weather girl in tight dress, thank you very much21:02
pedjaand that's the main reason I rarely know what the weather will look like the next day21:04
pedjaI don't get out much, anyway21:04
brian|lfsoh so you mean weather channel woman?21:06
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pedja'weather woman' sounds more like a name for a superhero21:19
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.3]: harfbuzz: fixups22:17
pedjaconsolekit2 is a fork by xfce dev, so, in theory, nothing should be broken when I update it :)22:24
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pedjaif I remember to rebuild xfce4-session, that is22:35
pedjajaeger-, did you test if mate-session-manager works with consolekit2, by any chance?22:36
pedjahm. Do I use stable, dev, or git master, that is the question22:38
pedjapolkit needs a version bump, too22:39
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jaeger-nope22:45
pedjaok :)22:56
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pedjaxfce4-session requires 1.0.2 for consolekit2 support, so I'll test with that22:57
abenzhttp://blog.ioactive.com/2017/04/linksys-smart-wi-fi-vulnerabilities.html23:01
pedjathank $deity for BLFS23:03
pedjaspidermonkey, polkit, consolekit updates. what could possibly go wrong23:06
pedjamy opt-updated repo is growing by the day <323:08
pedjabut now, zzz, it was a long day23:09
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onoderateK_: Could you please update vala? Here is an update Pkgfile that works: https://punpun.xyz/61qh23:46
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