IRC Logs for #crux Thursday, 2017-04-27

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john_cephalopodacontrib/qca doesn't install to the right directory. The package is empty.12:30
john_cephalopodaI think that setting QCA_PREFIX_INSTALL_DIR is necessary.12:35
pedjaqca_{library,feature}_install_dir13:11
pedjafor qt4 build13:15
john_cephalopodaI'll try to do it the arch way.13:28
john_cephalopodaIt's a bit annoying, that the packages I need right now aren't available :þ13:30
john_cephalopodaI spent most of this week writingn and compiling some packages :D13:31
john_cephalopodaMeh13:46
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pedjawelcome to Crux, *the* tinkerers/DIY distro13:54
pedjawhat's 'the arch way'?13:55
pedjaArch was inspired by Crux, but since then gone to the dark side :)13:59
pedja(yes, I am biased. No, I don't care.)14:00
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john_cephalopodaHmmm :/15:39
john_cephalopodaI got so many issues with the limited package repos of crux...15:43
frinnstlike what?16:03
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pedja'limited'? they contain everything I need/use16:24
ryu0pedja: they're still limited in the sense that they don't contain every software ever written =p16:25
pedjathan Debian repos are 'limited' too :)16:25
pedjaor FreeBSD ports, with ~24k packages16:26
pedjaover the years, I wrote/rewrote/stole^Wborrowed over 1000 ports :)16:28
just_funStill, you didn't tried all the ports from contrib16:29
pedjawhy would I?16:29
just_funfor fun?16:29
pedjaI drink red wine for fun16:30
just_funWith so much fun, you could have been upgrated your old system by now16:32
pedjapriorities16:32
pedjafrinnst, this might be interesting to you http://snapper.io/overview.html16:43
pedjaor anyone using btrfs or LVM16:45
frinnstI use a simple script for daily, weekly and monthly snapshots16:45
frinnstsimple is beautiful16:45
frinnst:-)16:45
frinnstsnapper has been around for a few years. last time i looked at it I quickly looked away16:46
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pedja:)16:46
pedjaI am curious about its ext4 support. I had no idea that it, too, has (experimental) snapshot feature16:50
pedjasomething called 'next4 project'16:50
pedjaspeaking of simple, my 'pxe boot server in the (Docker) box' 'project' is anything but :)16:54
pedjaone of the goals is being as buzzword compliant as possible16:55
tsaopI approve of this goal16:56
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john_cephalopodafrinnst: With "limited" I mean "Doesn't have all the packages I need right now".17:33
john_cephalopodaAdding a new package is just a very complex process...17:35
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john_cephalopodaI really like what Arch did with the AUR. It contains a lot of packages, they can be taken over by anybody when they are orphaned and their web interface makes it trivial to report bugs and outdated packages.17:42
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just_funreporting outdated packages should not happen, because we have ck4up18:43
just_funAll my ports have scripts to check is up-to-date: https://github.com/therealfun/crux-ports/blob/master/linux-stable/.version18:45
just_funand the way to check them is simple: https://github.com/therealfun/crux-ports/blob/master/ckv18:52
rmulljust_fun: I like your approach. I always wished the version checking lived with the port.18:53
just_funrmull, this is why I've made it. ck4up.conf was a monolitic config, and I felt it has to be something per port19:26
just_funAnyway, if devs will decide to have some sort of version checking in ports, based on ck4up, I could make a patch for pkgmk :))19:28
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just_fun"cat contrib/*/.ck4up > ck4up.conf; ck4up ... > outdated.txt" should be a big help19:52
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john_cephalopodajust_fun: It could be automated.20:35
just_fun:)20:35
just_fun"cat contrib/*/.ck4up" ?20:35
john_cephalopodacat: '/usr/ports/contrib/*/.ck4up': No such file or directory20:36
john_cephalopoda20:36
john_cephalopodaHow exactly does ck4up work? Was it the tool that md5sums a website and checks for changes?20:37
john_cephalopodaOr was that something else?20:37
just_funcan extract patterns of text20:37
john_cephalopodaAh, ok.20:37
just_funfrom what I've understand, core and opt has a ck4up.conf file20:37
just_funand the ports from there are up-to-date20:38
just_funhttps://crux.nu/Wiki/WorkingWithCk4up20:38
john_cephalopodaI think all that stuff has potential to be used way more.20:41
just_fun?20:42
john_cephalopodaIn other repos.20:42
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just_fun"sharing" repos?20:43
just_fun"shared"20:44
john_cephalopodaHmm?20:44
just_funfor personal repos, I was thinking that anyone has a ck4up.conf20:45
john_cephalopodaHmm, I don't know how many people are using that, considering that most personal repos are quite outdated.20:45
just_funfor shared repos, when one can update ports which are usually updated by another one20:45
just_fun.. a split .ck4up might be better20:46
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john_cephalopodajust_fun: In theory, the package header could get a #ck4up field, like the URL field.20:47
just_funOr that.20:47
just_funeven better20:47
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just_funmuch better20:48
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just_funI'm not sure how contrib/ functions, but I think it will be fun that everyone will update everyone else ports :)20:50
john_cephalopodajust_fun: I am not sure if that is a good idea.20:51
john_cephalopodaIn Arch User Repository (AUR), people can become maintainer of a port. When they don't want or can't care for this port any more, they just press a button "Orphan" and somebody else can adopt it.20:52
just_funThat works when you have a "market"20:52
john_cephalopodajust_fun: When somebody drops pcmanfm and it will go extinct, I will adopt it.20:53
john_cephalopodajust_fun: Recently it was unmaintained and suddenly dropped, which lead to me having no file manager for a few weeks.20:53
just_funno file manager at all, or just not updated ?20:54
just_funlol20:54
john_cephalopodaIt was dropped completely20:56
john_cephalopodaSo I wanted to clean up my stuff, removed everything I found with prtorphan and suddenly I didn't have a file manager any more.20:57
just_fun:)20:57
john_cephalopodaUntil somebody heard the complaints and added it again :þ20:57
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just_funI see nogagplz repo has pcmanfm21:00
just_funbesides contrib21:00
john_cephalopodaWell, yeah. But to use that, I'd have to install nogaplz' repo.21:00
just_funcome on ! :)21:01
just_funI use all the repos I can find21:01
john_cephalopodaAnd when I got a few dozen repos installed, I will get conflicting packages.21:01
just_funNow, I could sell my pp script21:01
john_cephalopodaAlso nogaplz' version is from svn, while the contrib one is 1.2.521:02
just_funbetter than nothing21:02
just_funhttps://github.com/therealfun/crux-ports/blob/master/ports-contrib/pp.pod21:03
john_cephalopodaWhen my packages get messed up because they use some outdated package that is by chance higher priority than the newer package, then I got a problem.21:03
just_funcouldn't waste an oportunity like this21:04
john_cephalopodaPatching can't solve that issue.21:05
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just_funIt helps me picking a specific port, and changing it's deps21:07
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darfoI have a CRUX 3.2 server I want to update to CRUX 3.3 but /usr and /var are lvm and the ISO kernel doesn't have lvm support that I can find.21:08
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darfoThis has been asked here before but I don't remember the answer. Do I have to build my on ISO?21:09
onoderadarfo: lvm2 is in opt, I'm kind of sure the ISO ships with opt21:12
onoderaoh wait21:13
darfolvm2 is just the userspace tools21:13
onoderaye21:13
just_funThere is CruxEx live image...21:14
darfoan update can be done from it?21:14
just_funDon't know, but if it has lvm, you can mount crux iso, and update from it21:15
just_fun:D21:15
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darfoThat might work. I have a sysresccd. I'll boot from it and see if it has mapper support in it's kernel/modules.21:17
darfoThanks for the idea21:17
just_fungood luck21:17
darfomuhaha: updating CRUX using a Gentoo based rescue disk.21:18
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darfohrm. The ISO kernel config has CONFIG_BLK_DEV_DM=m. Oh, but that is not the kernel on the ISO.21:26
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darfoconfirmed it. the initramfs on the ISO doesn't have dm-mod.21:32
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jaegerdarfo: yeah, it's not in the initramfs but it IS on the ISO21:54
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jaegerthe point of the initramfs is to find the root filesystem which is the ISO itself in this case22:00
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john_cephalopodaI think, virtualbox has a footprint fail.22:45
pedjaTumbleweed on a netbook will 'force' me to learn btrfs :)22:52
john_cephalopodaMISSING   -rw-r--r--      root/root       usr/share/virtualbox/bin/src/vboxdrv/Module.symvers (EMPTY)22:54
john_cephalopodaNEW       -rw-r--r--      root/root       usr/share/virtualbox/bin/src/vboxdrv/Module.symvers22:54
pedjanotify the maintainer22:55
pedjais that one of the sepen's ports?22:56
ryu0isn't sepen basically MIA?22:57
pedjapretty much22:57
john_cephalopodaWell, sent a mail to sepen anyway22:57
ryu0so, is it a problem if people want to update his ports?22:57
ryu0seems stupid to interfere with fixes when you can't or won't do it yourself.22:58
pedjahe can't now, even if he wanted to, he doesn't have signing key, iirc22:59
pedjamost of his ports from opt are picked up/updated by devs23:00
pedjaI forked his xfce repo a while back23:00
pedjaI do credit him for the work in the README :)23:02
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pedjastarting from scratch for any non-trivial piece of software is the most tedious part23:05
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pedjalike what tilman(?) did with xorg repo when they switched to gazillion packages :)23:06
pedjaxfree86 --> xorg transition was fun23:08
pedjaxorg --> wayland is few years in the future still23:10
john_cephalopodaI am a little bit afraid of systemd.23:12
brian|lfsnot sure about that distros are starting to move to wayland this year23:12
john_cephalopodaAnd wayland may use parts of systemd.23:12
brian|lfsanyone using a 4.4 kernel besides me?23:13
pedjalogind? someone ripped that out of systemd as a separate library23:13
john_cephalopodaYeah.23:13
john_cephalopodaStill it's a bit scary.23:14
brian|lfsI would upgrade to a newer kenrel if it would fix my touchpad23:14
brian|lfstouchpad on nnew asus laptops seems broken on Linux23:14
pedjabrian|lfs, what are you doing? why are you interested in the verion of my irc client?23:14
brian|lfsI'm just nosey dude sorry23:14
pedjait's rude23:15
brian|lfsdon't worry not a hacker or anything23:15
pedjathat's not an excuse23:15
brian|lfsdon't worry not prejudice towards just you lol23:16
brian|lfsbut I"ll reframe from versioning people23:16
brian|lfssorry23:16
brian|lfsIs there a way to know if anyone is using my ports23:17
brian|lfson my repo23:17
brian|lfsI don't care who just curious if anyone is making use of them23:17
brian|lfsbesides myself23:17
pedjacheck the logs for httpup requests?23:17
brian|lfswell its beign hosted privately23:18
brian|lfsby dreamhost23:18
pedjawell, if you break something, if someone yells at you, yeah he/she/it is using them :)23:19
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pedjamentions of 2 CVE fixes are neatly hidden at the end of 4.10.13 CHANGELOG23:21
pedjalinus 'security bug is just a bug' torvalds ftw23:22
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pedjabrian|lfs, if you are looking for touchpad fixes, wouldn't using 4.10.x kernel have more sense than 4.4.x?23:23
brian|lfsI would think so23:24
brian|lfsit just don't work at all the touchpad on my Asus laptop23:24
pedjawhich model?23:24
brian|lfschecking23:24
brian|lfsASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.23:26
brian|lfsG752VM23:26
brian|lfs1.023:26
brian|lfsThats my laptop model23:26
ryu0pedja: what do touchpads have to do with 4.4.x?23:27
brian|lfswith 4.4 nothing23:27
brian|lfsbut I Had tried like 5 distros didn't work on anything23:28
brian|lfsand lots of googling which didn't help23:28
ryu0brian|lfs: so it's totally nonfunctional?23:29
ryu0you might be able to get basic functionality if you reload psmouse with these arguments:23:29
ryu0proto=imps23:29
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ryu0my litebook has an unknown trackpad that only works as a basic mouse, and with this kernel module parameters.23:30
ryu0it's not optimal but it'll do.23:31
brian|lfsso add that to my kernel bootline?23:31
pedjaryu0, newer kernel = newer touchpad driver?23:32
ryu0pedja: ah.23:32
ryu0brian|lfs: is your psmouse driver builtin or module?23:32
ryu0brian|lfs: i'm not sure how to specify it if it's not a module.23:33
brian|lfsappears to be23:33
ryu0hm.23:33
ryu0maybe:23:33
ryu0psmouse.proto=imps23:33
ryu0just a guess...23:33
ryu0this forces it to use a more generic driver, which might enable your trackpad to function as a simple ps/2 mouse.23:34
brian|lfsoh its a module23:34
ryu0ok, try reloading the module then with that parameter.23:34
brian|lfsin my kernel23:34
ryu0modprobe -r psmouse && modprobe psmouse proto=imps23:34
ryu0most trackpads are connected through PS/2, so good chance this might work.23:35
ryu0others have suggestin trying i8042.reset i8042.nomux=123:35
ryu0to cmdline23:35
ryu0it has resolved problems with some trackpads before it seems.23:35
ryu0but, no idea. trackpads tend to be hit or miss it seems.23:36
brian|lfsstrange that command says its built in23:36
ryu0Ok...23:36
brian|lfsmust be it isn't running23:36
ryu0then you'd need to configure it from kernel command line.23:36
ryu0as to how, i'm not totally sure.23:37
ryu0arch appears to say...23:38
ryu0psmouse.proto=imps23:39
ryu0brian|lfs: try this. if it makes a difference, you'll at least have basic functionality.23:39
ryu0you just won't have things like gestures.23:39
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brian|lfsunderstood I'll give it a shot23:41
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pedjaETPS/2 Elantech Touchpad seems to be the driver (for g752vt model)23:44
brian|lfsso the kernel has it?23:45
pedjalet me check 4.10.1223:45
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pedjathere is a bunch of Elantech mice/touchpad driver listed23:48
pedjapaste the 'xinput list' somewhere23:49
brian|lfshow would I do that don't seem to have xinput23:53
brian|lfsah ok I see now23:54
brian|lfshttps://paste.pound-python.org/show/EqtgOf4q1nQn7aitbAsg/23:58

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