IRC Logs for #crux Saturday, 2017-04-29

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timcowchipwhere is the .conf file with instal scripts= no/yes00:37
timcowchipinstall00:38
timcowchipdon't see it when I vi pkgmk.conf or prt-get.conf00:38
jaegerprt-get.conf00:39
timcowchipthanks jaeger I see it now00:42
jaegernp00:53
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darfojust_fun: your idea worked. I could boot a CD-ROM that had devmapper support modules. Was then able to mount my /usr and /var partitions on /mnt.03:14
darfoPut the CRUX 3.3 ISO on a thumb drive and mounted it. Had to jigger setup and setup-helper a little bit and copy pkgmk to /usr/bin on the03:15
darfoRAM disk /usr/bin but was able to upgrade that way.03:15
darfojaeger: I understand but there is tons of drivers for RAID cards and all sorts of other things on03:16
darfothe CRUX boot disk, just not dm_mod. Doesn't do much good in my use case if I can't mount /usr and /var03:17
darfoI'm old school and still insist on at least running /var on a separate file system in case it fills up.03:17
darfoBut all's well. The server is on CRUX 3.3 where it belongs now.03:18
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timcowchiphttps://crux.nu/ports/crux-3.3/opt/qt5/.footprint shows "drwxr-xr-x root/root /usr/lib/cmake/Qt5Widgets/" yet after building qt5 I don't have a /usr/lib/cmake/Qt5Widgets/06:28
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timcowchipis partial installation a vm thing?06:29
jaegerdarfo: why can't you mount /usr and /var? Is something else missing?06:34
jaegerlvm2 and dm_mod are on the ISO, just not in the initramfs, unless I'm misremembering06:35
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jaegerdarfo: I must be missing part of the equation06:51
jaegeronce you've booted the ISO you should be able to mount them06:51
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timcowchipanyway to "wget http://crux.ster.zone/packages/3.3/qt5#5.8.0-2.pkg.tar.xz"?07:04
jaegerwget http://crux.ster.zone/packages/3.3/qt5%235.8.0-2.pkg.tar.xz07:04
timcowchipok07:05
timcowchipthanks again jaeger07:06
jaegernp07:06
timcowchipnow I have a /usr/lib/cmake/Qt5Widgets/07:08
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tilmani think i should retire my guruplug08:53
tilmantouching/moving it a bit often makes the SD card freak out, making a reboot necessary08:54
tilman:|08:54
just_funtilman, I have my laptop/root on a flash drive, with a usb hub in another usb socket, and every time I remove the hub the rootfs becames read-only08:56
just_funI was thinking that maybe there is a way to ignore usb events or something...08:57
just_funmaybe there is some event occuring with your sd08:57
just_funwhich can be ignored (for a while)08:58
tilmanwhat i'm seeing are lots of I/O errors08:58
tilmanso i guess it's not what you describe08:58
tilmani'd also like to rant about bad HDMI cables08:58
tilmanwhat's up with cables that you need to wiggle to get a good signal?08:59
tilmanugh!08:59
just_fun:)08:59
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just_funMaybe a udev rule could remount /  and the errors will wanish09:01
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frinnst tilman: wow you still have yours running?10:35
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tilmanfrinnst: it's running irssi. only.10:38
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frinnsthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsYM1SLaiEQ15:23
frinnstlive stream15:23
darfojaeger: extracting the ISO kernel's config shows the required support: CONFIG_BLK_DEV_DM_BUILTIN=y and CONFIG_BLK_DEV_DM=m was configured. That's supposed to provide module dm-mod.15:27
darfoExtracting the table of contents from initramfs on the ISO with cpio -i -t < initramfs shows the module is not on there.15:28
jaegeryes, I have said several times now it's NOT in the initramfs15:29
darfoAnd what else can I mount the targeted filesystems with except the support that is included in the ISO kernel that I booted?15:29
jaegerIt IS available after you boot the ISO15:29
jaegerThere are two separate sections to the modules on the ISO15:30
jaeger1) initramfs, 2) everything else15:30
jaegerthe initramfs only has what's necessary to finish the boot process15:30
darfoWhere is everything else stored on the ISO?15:30
jaegerenough to find the installation media, etc.15:30
jaegerrootfs15:30
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darfoAnd is that not expanded to the filesystem mounted at /mnt by setup?15:31
frinnstnothing is mounted at /mnt15:32
jaegerwhatever you mount at /mnt before setup is your own system15:32
jaegernot the ISO15:32
darfocorrect. And how do I upgrade my own system if I cannot mount it when booted from the ISO?15:32
frinnstwhat?15:32
jaegerOK, what is your process for mounting your system after you boot the ISO?15:33
frinnstjust mount the filesystem? modprobe the required modules and mount it to /mnt before running setup15:33
darfoI could not with the current ISO. I had previously built the /usr and /var as lvm on top of mirror RAID using md.15:34
darfoI had to boot a rescue cd that did have dm_mod support with it's kernel and mount /mnt then mount /dev/vg(bla) /mnt/usr15:34
frinnstso then you need to assemble your md, modprobe the lvm stuff and mount those partitions as /mnt/var and whatnot15:35
frinnstthe required modules are there once you boot the install media15:36
frinnstthey are not loaded by default15:36
jaegerdarfo: http://imgur.com/a/4dZZ215:36
darfoOk. It's there. I should have modprobed dm-mod before trying to mount /usr.15:38
darfoI'm suprised that module autoloading by the kernel would not do that as soon as mount /dev/vg-xxx /mnt/var is encountered.15:39
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darfoI guess that is why I have dm-mod has built-in. Thanks for the explanation. I know what to do next time.15:40
jaegerNo idea on that, I don't use much lvm15:40
jaegerwelcome15:40
darfoThat server is a relic from the past. Someday when I get to build a replacement I will probably use zfs. Back in it's day MD raid with LVM for administration was the state-of-the-art :)15:41
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jaegerThey're still relevant, at least :)15:44
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just_funrmull, I've switched from .version to ck4fun on my repo. See https://crux.nu/bugs/index.php?do=details&task_id=140817:31
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xveejaeger still working on getting mate up and running. came across something new. js185 spits out this error when trying to compile https://paste.pound-python.org/show/dLz5i4IRyz6Ep1HhcxDf/17:54
xveeplease let me know if you have any advice18:04
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just_funhttps://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=113179118:48
just_funYou have to apply the patch above, acording to https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=130766518:49
xveeill give it a shot after the gym. thanks!18:52
just_fun:)18:52
pedjais Crux the only distro that still doesn't use PAM?18:55
pedjapackaging and maintaining it just so I can use a pretty DM would be overkill :)18:57
joacimtorn between sticking with i3 and installing mate19:00
joacimi like mate, but i have a feeling it is going to get fiddly using mate on a small monitor19:01
xveejoacim: do mate. im trying to get it running right now :P19:04
SitriI ended up going to ratpoison after wmii (instead of i3)19:04
SitriLittle bit of a learning curve, but I'm comfortable with it now19:05
xckowmutils here. Has to be put together, but it's simple to tweak19:05
joacimi guess i could install mate so i could complain about bugs and see them fixed19:07
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crash_i3 here19:19
crash_joacim: if you want to use mate, you can use one panel only to save in on the screen estate?19:19
joacimyes19:22
joacimi did that with gnome19:22
xveejoacim: get on the mate game and lets nag jag together19:22
crash_joacim: yeah i did the same with gnome2 and mate, but now i have been in love with i3 for the past years19:23
john_cephalopodai3 here19:28
xveedoes i3 allow for the network manager applet?19:28
xckoI think that depends on what bar you use19:28
john_cephalopodaxvee: The standard bottom bar can be configured to show anything.19:28
john_cephalopodaMine currently does "while true; do  echo "$(date +'%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S')" ; sleep 5; done"19:29
xveehm. i may give that a shot. the main reason i went with mate is because of the panel. i was too lazy to configure a panel to work :P19:29
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crash_there are so many bars for i3, but i'm using i3statusbar the stock one and i'm happy19:32
joacimi forget which one i use19:33
joacimit shows my volume and wifi status and such19:33
joacimfor connecting to wifi, there are these things for dmenu, but i dont know how the ywork19:33
joacimdmenu and networkmanager19:33
just_funxvee, from where did you get js185?19:34
just_funI don't see /usr/ports/mate/js18519:35
xveeits in the mate repositories19:35
just_funhttps://raw.githubusercontent.com/mhoush/crux-mate/master/ ?19:35
xveei believe so, yes19:35
just_funcat /etc/ports/mate.httpup19:36
just_fun# Collection mate, by jaeger at crux dot ninja19:36
just_fun# File generated by the CRUX portdb http://crux.nu/portdb/19:36
just_funROOT_DIR=/usr/ports/mate19:36
just_funURL=https://raw.githubusercontent.com/mhoush/crux-mate/master/19:36
just_funI see no js185 there19:36
xveethats really strange. no idea why its pulling js18519:38
just_funDid you update the repo? https://github.com/mhoush/crux-mate/19:39
just_funI'm just asking...19:39
xveeyes i have19:41
just_funAnd your /etc/ports/mate.httpup is the same?19:42
xveeit is, yes. let me remove mate ports and files and redo it19:42
cruxbot[opt.git/3.3]: zsh: 5.3 -> 5.3.119:48
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.3]: getmail: 4.53.0 -> 4.54.019:53
cruxbot[opt.git/3.3]: zsh: fix everything19:54
crash_does it fix the world as well?19:59
teK_I tried20:00
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crash_that is all we can do :)20:02
just_funWe can stay and just look20:03
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.3]: qemu: 2.8.0 -> 2.8.1.120:06
cruxbot[opt.git/3.3]: qemu-agent: 2.8.0 -> 2.8.1.120:06
cruxbot[opt.git/3.3]: valgrind: 3.11.0 -> 3.12.020:06
just_funcruxbot, what a party!20:07
xveecan it fix our government too?20:15
crash_nope only the world and the goverment is not included20:18
xveejust_fun: the removing and reinstalling of the httpup file seemed to have done the trick20:22
xveeexcept now one of the libraries is spitting out an error when compiling. ill dig in further later20:22
just_funxvee, did you put mate before core,opt in prt-get.conf?20:35
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jaegerxvee: sounds like you were using the older mate from krugerheavyindustries, js185 isn't in it anymore21:04
xckoafter editing a Pkgfile in the ports tree, what's your strategy for maintaining that change through updates?21:25
jaegerI use my own overlay dir with higher priority in prt-get.conf21:27
teK_be the original Pkgfile/repo maintainer21:27
teK_it's a bit high effort compared to other strategies, but totally worth it, imho21:27
teK_;-)21:27
xckojaeger: how do you merge in updates?21:30
jaegerI don't, if the port isn't mine21:30
jaegeror do you mean from the original to the overlay?21:31
xckooriginal to the overlay21:31
jaegerusually just do that manually, they're not big changes most of the time21:31
xckodo you carefully watch ports -u output and remember which packages you have overlays for? I'd like to automate that a little bit21:33
xckoI'm considering making the ports tree a git repo and merging in changes after updates21:34
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pedjafrinnst, what's the use case for btrfs subvolumes? opensuse install made a lot of them for system21:54
pedjaI am still wrapping my head around that and, of course, systemd way of doing things :)21:56
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xckosorry lost my connection, where there any responses to my git idea?22:05
xckonvm just checked the logs22:06
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jaegerxcko: I don't watch it too assiduously, just check now and then22:30
cruxbot[opt.git/3.3]: qemu-all: 2.8.0 -> 2.8.1.122:41
cruxbot[opt.git/3.3]: mplayer: 2017-01-11 -> 2017-04-2922:46
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xveejaeger: looks like it may have been the older one yes22:58
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xveejaeger: this is the new error im getting https://paste.pound-python.org/show/AetYiARh1VGppsngRFAs/23:01
jaegerI've seen that one but no idea what the cause is. If you keep trying it'll eventually work23:09
xveekeep trying to rebuild?23:09
jaegeryes23:09
xveethats pretty funny. ill keep mssin gwith it23:10
jaegerIt's annoying but the error is inconsistent and has no obvious cause that I saw23:10
xveei just want crux with mate man. i know once this sucker is up, i'll never have to mess with it again23:10
xveei'm rebulding gtk. hopefully that'll "help"23:11
jaegerIt won't, the problem is in libcanberra somewhere as far as I can see23:11
xckohere is a similar problem from kde that they trace back to libtool23:11
xckohttps://marc.info/?l=kde-core-devel&m=95558192513359&w=223:11
xveehm. alright, i'll just keep rebuilding it until it moves forward23:12
xveethanks!23:12
xveelol i think it worked23:12
xveeyeah, it went through. strange23:12
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jaegerAs a guess, maybe it's a race condition in the build.23:24
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timcowchipis there a kernel config that makes xorg work in a vm?23:26
timcowchipmodule qlx?23:29
jaegerxorg can work with vesa in any VM, pretty much. Otherwise look for whatever driver is specific to your VM software23:32
jaegervboxvideo, etc.23:32
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jaegerI don't think you need any kernel drivers for vboxvideo, maybe there's one for vmware23:33
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timcowchipok thanks jaeger23:33

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