IRC Logs for #crux Wednesday, 2017-05-03

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xveehey fellas. any of you use firejail for sandboxing?04:57
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brian|lfsJail sounds like a bad palce I never tried it05:55
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xckodo other people have a .dbus directory in their home? I'm wondering if /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc.d/30-dbus.launch needs to be called manually07:50
xckoI don't see it listed in startx07:50
xckoand I'm wondering if they're related07:50
just_funI'm not sure about others, I do have $HOME/.dbus07:51
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just_funwithout calling dbus07:52
xckogoing through my backups it seems some distros create it and some don't07:53
xckoI'll have to experiment. What prompted this was discovering an invisible dbus window on my desktop07:54
xckolinux from scratch recommends starting it manually07:54
xckoor at least starting it with x07:55
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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.3]: dmenu: updated to 4.712:07
onoderacan the default crux gcc cross compile to arm?12:13
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frinnstno, you need a cross compile toolchain12:30
frinnstpoke pitillo about it or check out #crux-arm12:31
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cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.3]: eudev-32: 3.2.1 -> 3.2.213:28
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.3]: harfbuzz-32: 1.4.4 -> 1.4.613:28
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.3]: nss-32: 3.30.1 -> 3.30.213:28
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.3]: talloc-32: 2.1.8 -> 2.1.913:28
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abenzanyone running bluestacks or andy within a qemu VM?14:11
abenzI cant get it to run14:11
abenznot sure if its something simple or because of VM, within a VM14:11
abenzie inception style14:11
frinnstnested vms usually require some lovin' before they work14:14
frinnstdepends on the hypervisor. not sure about whats needed for kvm14:15
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.3]: mesa3d-32: 17.0.4 -> 17.0.514:27
abenzfrinnst: thanks, I take it you did that before then?14:27
frinnstwith vmware and hyperv ages ago14:28
frinnstesxi 5.1 and server 201214:29
abenzI see14:29
abenzthose android emulators are not the most polished to begin with14:30
abenzI guess it makes more sense to run android within crux given both linux14:30
abenzbut I like to keep my crux boxen clean given once a dep is installed there's no clean way to figure out what is no longer needed from the deps it pulled ;)14:31
abenzperhaps I should switch to btrfs and make use of snapshots14:31
frinnsti usually write down the deps in a textfile if im going to install some wierd crap :>14:32
frinnstweird asdf14:33
frinnsti hate ie ei14:33
abenzthat sounds like a good idea, old school but adheres to KISS principle14:33
jaegerI have a little leafports script that reports on packages installed that don't have an upstream dep14:35
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frinnstooh lovely, firefox 54.0b4 build: 17.573g 0.016t  23680 R 100.0 51.1  53:07.12 xpcshell14:38
frinnstvirt/res/shared mem btw14:39
frinnsti knew i'd make use of my 32gb ram!14:39
frinnstmy purchase is justified! finally14:40
frinnsti hope its related to rust being upgraded while firefox was building14:40
abenzI knew something was fishy about those asus "gaming" routers14:41
abenzTLDR: scroll to bottom and read conclusion14:41
frinnsti love the fact that there are no performance tests in that "review"14:44
abenzperformance irrelevant once found out about nastiness ?14:45
frinnstwell to be honest, if you are going to use a 3rd party dpi its hard to get around the fact that this 3rd party needs to own the generated data14:46
frinnstits not like trend micro will own your youtube masterpieces that was uploaded through it14:47
frinnstsoftware as a service will screw you over at each opportunity14:48
frinnsti've been tasked with backing up a remote kvm guest14:57
frinnstwonder what the best solution is. crash consistent backup with lvm2 snapshot and rsync?14:57
pedjacentos agrees with you
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pedjanever tried libvirt's migration. hm15:04
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pedjaI have a bunch of Vmware/Vbox VMs to import to libvirt still.15:11
cruxbot[xorg.git/3.3]: xorg-xkbcomp: update to 1.4.015:11
cruxbot[opt.git/3.3]: libnl: update to 3.3.015:11
cruxbot[opt.git/3.3]: ninja: update to 1.7.215:11
cruxbot[core.git/3.3]: hdparm: update to 9.5215:12
cruxbot[core.git/3.3]: iproute2: update to 4.11.015:12
cruxbot[core.git/3.3]: nasm: update to 2.13.0115:12
frinnstExecuting /tmp/firefox-54.0b4-rust-work/src/firefox-54.0b4/firefox-shared/dist/bin/xpcshell stuck again15:17
frinnstwonder if its gcc 7.115:17
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pedjaspeaking of VMs, openSUSE disables COW on btrfs subvolume for livirt (/var/lib/libivrt/images)15:29
pedjaatrocious performance, apparently :)15:29
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pedjaACTION is searching ML archive15:47
pedja'Not enough RAM to build Firefox 5'. some things never change15:48
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pedjaafaict, there was never a discussion on using PAM in Crux. too much work for little gain, I guess.15:56
pedjayet another thing that can break :)15:57
jaegerThere's been some discussion about it now and then but nothing really long15:58
jaegerI even ran it for a while to see how it would go, was no big deal15:58
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pedjait's just too big of a delta to upstream to maintain :)16:06
pedjaand OS upgrades would be more trouble than it's worth, imho16:06
pedjacore ports are off-limits for me :)16:09
pedjanew Docker has multi-builds, which are pretty cool16:11
pedjaand so is this
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cruxbot[xorg.git/3.3]: xorg-xinit: set sysconfdir to /etc, patch by Gary Langshaw16:47
cruxbot[xorg.git/3.3]: xorg-xdm: set configdir to /etc/X11/xdm, patch by Gary Langshaw16:47
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firashey there17:18
firashey guys17:21
firasI'm currently using gentoo17:21
firascrux got me interested17:21
firasshould I attempt to try it ?17:22
SitriPossibly, how long have you been using Linux?17:22
SitriYou will have to configure the kernel yourself in CRUX17:22
rmullfiras: I switched from gentoo to crux a while back, and I'm still here17:23
firasI see17:24
firasI've been using gnu/linux for 2 years now17:24
firasYes I pretty much configured everything17:24
firasI've got my personal kernel .config17:24
firasthat isn't a problem to me17:24
rmullThe answer is "of course you should try it"17:24
firasdang xD17:25
firasI've got midterms but I'm really hyped to try crux17:25
Sitrirmull: I wouldn't recommend a newbie try it17:25
SitriBut if you're willing to tinker, yeah go for it17:25
firasI'm not a newbie xD17:25
firasguess I'll give it a try17:26
firasthanks for the suggestions17:26
rmullI think it depends what the newbie's goals are. If they try crux and can't figure it out, and then go on to use ubuntu or something, the contrast may be an interesting piece of learning17:26
rmullAnd maybe some day they'd come back to crux17:26
rmullIf they don't care about learning anything and they just want to spin a machine up and go, then yes, maybe not crux17:27
firaschoosing ubuntu in any stage is wrong17:27
firasa newbie can take LFS as his starting distro17:27
firasit doesn't matter, he'll learn anyways17:27
firashow's bumblebee/bbswitch on crux ?17:27
jaegerMaybe wait until after midterms to try it :)17:28
SitriMany, many things are not in the repos17:28
jaegerThere are bumblebee/bbswitch ports in the 6c37 repo, they seem to work ok on my laptop17:28
firas@jaeger nice17:29
firasand the card turns off when optirun finishes running ?17:29
jaegerI would definitely recommend that when you do try it, try it in a VM for a little while17:29
jaegerI haven't really dug into it. I tested that I could run some simple GL stuff but haven't really looked into it much as I don't use that laptop often and when I'm using it don't need 3d much :)17:30
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pedjapro tip: use jaeger's updated ISO for VM :)17:30
jaegerlooks like he left already, doh17:31
pedjano patience in kids these days :)17:32
cruxbot[opt.git/3.3]: lvm2: update to 2.02.17117:32
pedjacruxbot is busy today17:33
cruxbot[core.git/3.3]: libdevmapper: update to 1.02.14017:33
pedjaone common thing in most of the issues people report in Nvidia Linux forum is that they use Ubuntu.17:36
pedjathat has to be a coincidence...17:37
jaegermaybe just a market share thing17:50
jaegerlot of ubuntu users17:50
cipppi tried few distros to see how to configure nvidia on my laptop, only ubuntu works by default17:50
jaegerand I'd expect some others like arch probably post to their own forums more often17:50
cipppwas one year ago or so17:51
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pedjaI've tried Ubuntu a while. Wasn't particularly impressed17:54
pedjawhile back*17:55
pedjamaybe it's better now17:55
tsaopwhat now that they decided to return to GNOME?17:55
pedjaXfce ftw17:55
jaegerI used ubuntu as my work desktop part-time at my previous job and also used it for user workstations with puppet management, worked well17:56
jaegerMain reason for that was we used ubuntu server for all the server stuff17:56
pedjait's probably that I am used to rolling release17:56
jaegerI mostly used MATE or i3 on my own, didn't spend much time with unity or whatever17:56
pedjaTumbleweed on my netbook works fine (modulo btrfs and systemd learning curve :) )17:58
cipppopensuse all time fail for me, after some extra repos and updates18:00
pedjaI only have Pakman as a extra repo, iirc18:00
cipppbetter :)18:01
pedjaand now, with btrfs snaphots, is easy to revert breakage18:04
cipppi saw a review for trueos (bsd) on distrowatch. it is nice18:05
cipppit is and a linux (not remember the name) make a snapshot and a grub menu after every update18:05
pedjaopenSUSE does that18:06
pedjaBSD calls that 'boot environments'18:07
pedjaone of the benefits of using ZFS18:08
pedjaor btrfs18:08
cipppi should try in one day18:09
pedjawhich one?18:09
cipppbtrfs, opensuse i think18:10
cipppbsd have troubles with drivers18:10
pedjathat is why TrueOS tracks 12 :)18:12
pedjamostly for graphics drivers18:12
pedjaFreeNAS is much more interesting to me18:15
pedjaRancherOS run under bhyve will get them a whole of Docker Hub18:17
pedjait's a cool idea18:18
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cipppBuilding '/home/cippp/snapper/snapper#0.4.1-1.pkg.tar.gz' succeeded.19:37
cipppmaybe i will try with crux, if i delete 3.219:37
cipppand i convert systemd services in rc scripts19:38
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xckoI'm using webkitgtk and I have two browser built on it and in both of them the webinspector is broken. Anyone have tips for fixing this?23:19
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xckoanyway bug report submitted23:27
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