IRC Logs for #crux Thursday, 2017-06-08

cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.3]: mesa3d-32: 17.1.1 -> 17.1.200:21
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cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.3]: mpg123-32: 1.24.0 -> 1.25.000:29
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brian|lfsWorkster, how did you get mesa3d-32 to compile02:19
brian|lfsoh it was updated today lol02:19
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frinnstjaeger: pics!07:17
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joacimfrinnst: of what?09:59
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pedjahis new Ryzen rig, I presume10:32
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jaegeryeah, I'll put some up when it's done. Right now it's not in the case, just hooked things up for testing14:11
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frinnst hahaha holy fuck14:20
frinnst"im a fucking idiot. let me create a webpage and carefully point out how ignorant and stupid i am"14:20
DaViruzhe is truly a moron. every single one of his arguments is entirely idiotic14:27
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rmullProbably just trolling...15:48
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john_cephalopoda#7 "without any allowance for curvature."... There's a bridge in the USA that is a few hundred meters long, so they had to take the curvature of the earth into account16:14
john_cephalopodaAlthough the columns at either end are perpendicular to gravity, they are not in laser measurements :D16:15
john_cephalopodaThis is so stupid... that guy just ignores that the water curves with the ball and that the atmosphere moves with about the same speed as the earth rotates.16:17
jaegerThe simplest proof that the earth is NOT flat is that if it were, cats would have pushed everything off the edge millenia ago16:19
pedjajaeger, I am totally stealing that :)16:32
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pedjayup, that looks flat to me,-40.56358961,-7704.28369443a,23331630.12884617d,35y,0h,0t,0r (Chrome only)17:08
pedjaah, yes, I forgot. 'fake'17:09
john_cephalopodaIs Trump creating a fake earth on the outside of the hollow earth? Who knows?17:14
pedjahe thinks that global warming is a Chinese hoax. It would be better if he was flat-earther, instead :)17:17
pedjaI wonder what Venn diagram between FE and anti-vaxers looks like. Is that the same crowd?17:18
pedja'I don't understand it, hence it can't be true'17:19
john_cephalopodaChina is one of the big polluters.17:19
john_cephalopodaWhy would they invent something that forces them to restructure they good-working infrastructures?17:19
pedjato harm 'merica, of course. Duh.17:19
pedjaor something17:20
john_cephalopodapedja: I don't think that there is a big overlap. FE is plain stupid while anti-vaxers mix valid and invalid arguments to stand against vaccinating.17:21
pedjawhat are valid arguments against vaccination?17:22
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pedjathat it doesn't always work? that it might have unintended effects?17:28
pedjanewsflash: humans are highly complex biological machines17:29
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pedjathe problem with that particular discussion is that it's more emotional than factual17:30
john_cephalopodaThere are some risks associated with it.17:30
john_cephalopodaAlso a lot of people still cite the study that turned out to be faked and cost the person who made it his medical degree.17:31
pedjathere are some risks associated with *everything*17:31
john_cephalopodaSome people overreact.17:32
pedjaconfirmation bias17:32
john_cephalopodaI am pro-vax. It's good that all those horrible things are slowly dying out.17:32
john_cephalopodaHow was that thing called where they had to put children into iron lungs? Polio?17:33
pedjadamn, that's sad17:36
john_cephalopoda"It is hoped that vaccination efforts and early detection of cases will result in global eradication of the disease by 2018."17:37
pedja1988:350k cases.2016:42. no, the vaccines don't work.17:37
pedjait's mind-boggling, the stupidity of general population17:39
john_cephalopodaNot general population, a part of general population.17:39
john_cephalopodaI think that we usually think too bad of the rest of the humanity :þ17:40
pedjajust the majority of ones I've met :)17:40
john_cephalopodaFor example, people were asked if they would continue working if they would receive an unconditional basic income. 80% said they would.17:41
john_cephalopodaThen they were asked, if they think that their neighbour would continue working. 80% said no.17:41
pedjawork is not just about the money, it is about sense of self-worth, too17:42
john_cephalopodaThe thing I want to point out here is, that people mostly think that they are the morally better and that other people are worse.17:43
pedjabut that implies non soul-crushing job17:43
john_cephalopodapedja: They asked if they would keep working, not if they would keep their current job.17:43
john_cephalopodaIf I'd get an unconditional basic income, I'd probably experiment with some stuff for a few months and then found a company.17:44
pedjaany ideas for startup you'd share :) ?17:45
pedjaSerbia has, afaik, pretty healthy startup culture, despite the government efforts17:51
pedjain major cities17:51
pedjathe government prefers to subsidize companies that open sweatshops across the country in smaller cities, tho17:56
pedjanice 'business' model. they get 10k euros per employee, pay them 200 for 3 months, then fire them.18:00
pedjaand with 26% unemployment rate, there is no shortage of working force.18:02
pedjamy 15 minutes for rant of the day are up :)18:04
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john_cephalopodapedja: Maybe something with mycelium as isolation like ecovative does.19:13
jaegerdid some build tests on the new setup just out of curiosity to see the difference between various -jX levels for a decently-sized package (firefox in this case)19:30
jaegernothing really scientific19:30
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frinnstwhat kernel?20:18
john_cephalopodajaeger: How many threads does your CPU have?20:36
frinnst1700x, right?20:40
jaegeryeah, 1700x. 8c/16t20:41
crash_12min for firefox sounds nice though20:50
jaegerNot bad at all in my opinion21:10
jaegerMostly what was interesting to me was the curve21:10
crash_how long did firefox take on your old setup?21:13
jaegerI don't remember but I can test it, still have several different systems21:13
jaegeri7-6700k, i5-6600k, ryzen 7 1700x21:14
crash_you got a lot of "power" around :)21:32
john_cephalopoda. o O ( Make jaeger's computers the official crux-bin build servers ;þ )21:32
jaegercrash_: I've also got a vmware home lab, a 24-thread mac pro, couple other random machines :)21:36
jaegerI don't do a lot of binary package building outside of the ISOs but the ISOs do get built on my vmware cluster21:37
jaegerfrinnst: I didn't try too hard on the cable management and I'll probably do some tests in the future to determine if that fan configuration works best... but it's stable so far and gets up to 76C at full load in aida6421:38
jaeger23.8C ambient in this room21:39
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frinnstjaeger: have you updated the bios? amd has some stupid temp offset21:46
jaegerIt shipped with the latest available21:46
frinnstwhat mobo?21:46
jaegerIt was labeled "AGESA update" on the biostar website, I think it's the one with the temp fix21:46
jaegerBiostar X370GTN21:46
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frinnstbut you need to replace that blasphemous geforce gpu asap!21:54
joacimjust get a motherboard with an aspeed chip22:01
joacimwho needs more than 16MB anyways22:01
john_cephalopoda16K memory? You will never get that full!22:04
john_cephalopodaThat's 16000 letters! That's like 10 books in memory at the same time!22:06
jaegerfrinnst: feel free to send me an RX580 if you can find one that cryptocurrency miners haven't already got :D22:11
rmulljohn_cephalopoda: lol, love those comparisons22:19
john_cephalopodaIt's interesting and sad how big things are today.22:23
john_cephalopodaOnce, a whole OS plus office suite fitted on a floppy. Now a minimal OS is 14 GB.22:23
john_cephalopodaI'm quite young, so I haven't lived when an OS fitted onto a flopy. I can only imagine those days.22:25
jaegerfrinnst: I was going to get an RX580 and go all AMD with this build but the RX*80 prices are insane thanks to cryptocurrency. So I opted for a GTX 1060 (750Ti was temporary)22:28
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