IRC Logs for #crux Thursday, 2017-08-10

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timcowchiphow many times a week do I have to update mesa3d?08:00
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timcowchipf'n humps08:07
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Romster timcowchip> how many times a week do I have to update mesa3d? <- complain much?just don't sysup so often then! I have to bump mesa3d-32 as well as update it on 2 machines.08:48
ryu0Romster: little late. he's gone.08:52
Romsterthere id the irc backlog08:52
Romsterhe can read it later if he cares to look back08:52
frinnstmesa3d seems to release every 2-3 weeks or so08:54
frinnsthttps://www.yummly.com/recipe/Vanilla-Panna-Cotta-With-Summer-Berries-Coulis-1998134?prm-v109:55
frinnstyummy09:55
pedja48 ingredients, 60 minutes? riiiight10:08
pedjapotatoes onion and whipped cream remind me of the sex scene in The Naked Gun10:11
pedjaI miss Leslie Nielsen10:12
pedjahe was awesome10:13
frinnsti like the 1kg cod10:42
frinnstalso 15kg pumpkin10:42
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pedjayou are weird10:45
pedjathen again, you are Swedish, so10:46
pedjadifferent culture, and all that10:47
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frinnsthaha nah, fucking revolting10:51
frinnstI dont understand why you want to eat rotten fish as a "tradition"10:51
frinnstsilly10:51
pedjaspeaking of Scandinavia, today is the grand opening of Ikea in our capitol.10:51
frinnstim so sorry10:52
frinnsttho i'd recommend the food they serve10:52
pedja'will there be free stuff? - Here, take this totally free catalog' I laughed my ass off10:53
pedjathe crowd will be insane, despite high temperatures, because idiots10:55
frinnsthaha yeah10:55
frinnsta few years ago when a low-price chain opened up in my town people queued for hours10:55
frinnstwhy? Free hotdogs10:55
pedja:)10:56
pedjamy sister brings sometimes Ikea stuff from Italy, and I am always 'volunteered' to put it together.10:58
pedja'you know that computer stuff, here.'10:58
frinnstOn behalf of our Executive Board, I invite you to register for the RIPE NCC General Meeting (GM) October 2017.10:59
frinnstThe GM will take place from 24-26 October 2017 in the Conrad Dubai Hotel, United Arab Emirates10:59
frinnstthat would be nice10:59
pedjadamn http://conraddubai.com/ that would be very nice, indeed11:04
pedjano prices, because if you have to ask, you can't afford it11:08
pedjamust be nice to be filthy rich11:08
joacimtheir furniture always disappoint11:09
joacimthey look so nice from a distance11:09
joacimbut up close it seems solid enough, but at the same time very flimsy11:09
joacimtheir food is great however. could go there only for their meatballs.11:10
pedjaI ate those. agreed11:10
pedjafew friends that use Instagram are already preparing mentally for gazillion selfies with crap bought at Ikea in their feed :)11:15
pedjaawww11:15
joacimI've been in those11:16
joacimwas awkward11:16
joacimsomeone on the bus was taking selfies, and i sat right behind them11:16
pedjathey never ask for permission, do they?11:17
joacimofc not11:18
pedjapeople are weird11:19
pedjafew years ago, when I was in Venice, I overheard an American tourist asking where the nearest Starbucks is11:20
ryu0s/weird/assholes/11:20
pedjathat works, too11:21
joacimi think we have starbucks here now11:23
joacimdont ask me where tho11:23
pedjathe wth part for me is that he came to Italy, famous for its coffee, and looks for overpriced crap that is Starbucks11:25
pedjathe whole point of going to another country is to experience something new11:26
pedjaor different, or whatever11:27
joacimi would be looking for ikea meatballs11:27
pedjalol11:27
joacimoh nice11:31
joacimbuilding firefox and the entire computer rebooted11:31
pedjaRyzen?11:31
joacimyes =)11:32
joacimi can live with the build crashing, but segfaults is very annoying11:33
joacimreboots i mean11:33
pedjaafaik, waiting for microcode update or RMA are your options11:33
joacimi mostly just use this computer for video games anyways11:33
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RobobuilderAny recomandation for a small build machine? Small as in size, 1 2.5 bay, eth or wifi or usb/wifi, display don't care. Build machine as in at least 2- 3 times faster than a atom base celeron and build the regular updates.11:54
RobobuilderAlmost fanless will be nice.11:57
joacimsomething like an intel nuc maybe. there are some with low voltage i5 processors11:57
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john_cephalopodaA low-power build server? Kinda contradictory when you want to finish building chromium in this century ;)12:00
RobobuilderThanks, joacim. Something like this.12:00
RobobuilderDidn't say low power :)12:02
RobobuilderRegular updates take advantage of ccache... so it wiĺl finish sooner12:03
john_cephalopodaRight, totally forgot about ccache :D12:09
ryu0Robobuilder: budget?12:17
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RobobuilderNot to mention that i could use distcc with 2 NUCs and a rpi running qemu12:18
RobobuilderDidn't thinked about the buget12:18
RobobuilderLol12:18
ryu0do you care about ECC?12:19
ryu0all real server boards have it, but it's not necessary for a simple server.12:19
RobobuilderWhat will be the difference in price? 50%?12:20
ryu0depends on AMD or Intel.12:20
ryu0for the most part, only AMD has a chance of having ECC in non-server boards.12:20
RobobuilderECC will be nice12:20
ryu0but... it should be something not based on ryzen.12:21
ryu0due to the parallel freezing bugs.12:21
ryu0Robobuilder: where do you live, generally speaking?12:23
RobobuilderEurope12:23
ryu0Ok..12:23
ryu0Well, one option for low-power server boards is the intel atom server line. Don't assume they suck as much as desktop atoms do. At least research them before jumping to that conclusion.12:23
RobobuilderI will look for these too. Thanks, ryu012:27
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ryu0https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/PRIME-A320M-A/specifications/12:27
ryu0here's a rare AMD board with ECC support.12:27
ryu04 x DIMM, Max. 64GB, DDR4 3200(O.C.)/2933(O.C.)/2666/2400/2133 MHz ECC and non-ECC, Un-buffered Memory12:28
ryu0ECC and a lot of cores are also good for a build server.12:30
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RbbRyu0, that look bigger than a nuc12:50
ryu0Rbb: it is. but it's an option. it depends what your priorities are.12:51
ryu0https://pcengines.ch/apu2.htm <-- another option if low power is truly your preference.12:52
RbbMy laptop hangs on same builds. And is slow. I would like to offload that and have a second crux in my home. 😀12:52
ryu0AMD Embedded G series GX-412TC, 1 GHz quad Jaguar core with 64 bit and AES-NI support, 32K data + 32K instruction cache per core, shared 2MB L2 cache.12:53
RbbLooks interesting. Thanks. How would an atom based server compare to this, ryu0?13:00
ryu0https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+GX-412HC&id=247313:02
ryu0https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Atom+C2558+%40+2.40GHz&id=255713:02
ryu0thought even a core i3 ish will give a better yield per core, but less in parallel.13:04
joacimryu0: https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/PRIME-X370-PRO/specifications/13:04
joacimthis board claims support too13:04
joacimbut no idea if ECC actually works on these, or if you can use ECC RAM, but the ECC features doesn't work13:05
ryu0but for a build server, # of cores tends to be more important.13:05
ryu0joacim: should. AMD doesn't disable ECC on their CPUs. support is left up to the motherboard.13:05
joacimiknow13:05
joacimthe cpu supports it, but i dont know if the board supports it fully13:05
joacimintel does a lot of crap like that. their business boards claims support for ECC RAM, but the ECC feature doesn't actually work13:06
ryu0Rbb: they're about the same.13:08
ryu0Rbb: but i imagine the apu2 will be much cheaper.13:08
ryu0but you still have to special order it and its companion parts.13:09
frinnsti have a apu213:09
frinnstit currently runs crux :)13:09
ryu0frinnst: did you ever get the ECC to work? i can't find anything tha talks about it beyond one page.13:09
frinnstfor prime-x370?13:10
ryu0No.13:10
ryu0apu2.13:10
ryu0https://pcengines.ch/apu2.htm13:10
ryu02 or 4 GB DDR3-1333 DRAM, with optional ECC support13:10
frinnstah I havent actually touched it for a long while now13:10
ryu0what does it mean by optional? it's toggled at boot time?13:10
frinnstno, it varies on the models13:11
ryu0oh. none of the models specifically said they have ECC.13:11
ryu0how can you tell?13:11
frinnstbut last i looked coreboot didnt support it yet13:11
pedjaanyone used this http://www.numberworld.org/y-cruncher/ for machine stress-testing13:13
Rbbfrinnst, do youremember some numbers? Like firefox build took x ma i13:13
RbbX minutes13:13
ryu0Rbb: fyi, these boards are optimized for parallel builds. single-threaded ones will be slower.13:14
ryu0but anything that you can build in parallel will skyrocket.13:14
frinnstRbb: on my apu2? I dont run X on it13:14
RbbLike make -j?13:14
ryu0yes.13:15
ryu0apu2 uses pci-express for storage.13:15
ryu0which means SSDs.13:15
RbbGcc, frinnst?13:15
RbbI thimg13:16
RbbI think i can find a ssd13:16
ryu0it has to be one that uses mini pci express.13:16
ryu02.5" ones won't work.13:16
ryu0or was it mini sata. i forget.13:16
ryu0hm.13:17
ryu0either way, this system works best with mSATA.13:17
ryu0you can also expand it with mini pcie cards.13:17
ryu0some people use apu2s for routers.13:17
frinnstRbb: I can time it for you when I get home13:17
ryu0throw in an unmanaged externnal switch and you've got everything you need.13:18
ryu0and maybe some wireless cards for AP.13:18
frinnstbut my crux install runs off a usb-stick currently and I dont really have enough free storage on the msata ssd to use it13:18
frinnstso writes will be slow as fuck13:18
frinnstguess I could wipe the ssd and move it onto that tho13:19
ryu0Rbb: you'd want to buy enough storage capacity for the mSATA SSD.13:19
ryu0for normal uses, 16G is enough but for builds?13:20
ryu0more the better.13:20
frinnstnot for firefox13:20
frinnsti'd get atleast 32gb or more if you want to run X13:21
ryu0not much point in running X on it. it has no video output.13:21
frinnstbut running X on it would be kind of pointless since it doesnt do any vga stuff13:21
ryu0should be easy to find 64GB+ storage options for it.13:21
ryu0samsung 850 EVO seems to be a common option.13:22
ryu0shame that board doesn't expose the SATA port as an eSATA thing.13:23
ryu0then you could have more options.13:23
pedja32M digits of PI take ~30sec on my potatoputer.13:24
pedjawith 200% CPU utilization13:25
frinnstwhat software are you runnig pedja?13:25
pedjahttp://www.numberworld.org/y-cruncher/13:26
pedjastatic version13:26
pedjawhich is fine, since I don't have a cluster. yet :)13:27
pedja25m digits, my machine 19sec, Ryzen 1800x 1.7sec13:33
pedjawith 16x the RAM13:34
pedjaand double CPU speed13:34
pedjathe delta will be bigger with more digits, I guess13:37
pedjaand it is. 43 vs 3.2 sec for 50m digits13:39
john_cephalopodapedja: Break a new record!13:40
john_cephalopoda*Set13:41
pedjajohn_cephalopoda, you are a student with access to shiny toys, not me :)13:41
pedjasell it as stress-test for a new cluster or something13:42
john_cephalopodapedja: My parents will get pretty angry when my electricity bill is 1000€ in one month. And showing them my shiny world record will not change that ;)13:43
pedjaI meant at the uni. But, respect if you have cluster at home :)13:44
john_cephalopodaNah, just an i7-4770.13:46
pedjait's interesting that Epyc seems to choke with 10B+ digits13:47
pedja"NUMA allocation in Linux is likely to be completely broken on AMD Threadripper and AMD Epyc."13:49
Rbbfrinnst, you don't need to time it for me. I was just curious how it does compare with other "normal" systems. Thanks.13:50
RbbThanks, ryu0. Apu2 seems to be what I want (without useless graphics), but I have to sum all to see how it compares with nucs-ecc.13:59
nullspoonI'm rebuilding my system at the moment, and must noticed gdk-pixbuf in opt is missing a dependency on shared-mime-info14:31
nullspoonwait, nevermind. weird14:31
nullspoonI ran a depinst later followed by a sysup, but managed to not get shared-mime-info somehow.14:32
nullspoonMust have been a pebkac.14:32
frinnstRbb: i think its pretty comparable to my hp microservers14:53
frinnstAMD Turion(tm) II Neo N54L Dual-Core Processor14:53
nullspoonWhat's the rule of thumb keeping systemd files that come with a given package?14:55
nullspoonI'm updating a port of mine and the developer has added a systemd service file. Being a distro that doesn't explicitly support systemd, I'm not sure if it classifies as a "Junk file" or not.14:56
jaegerI'd suggest removing it. Even if it's not very big, it won't be particularly useful15:08
nullspoonjaeger: Will do. Thanks!15:12
jaegernp15:13
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.3]: adwaita-icon-theme: updated signature17:18
cruxbot[opt.git/3.3]: adwaita-icon-theme: Update to 3.24.017:18
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.3]: librsvg: updated readme17:26
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j_vlibrsvg: MISSING   -rwxr-xr-x      root/root       usr/bin/rsvg-view-320:59
j_vif gtk3 is added to build, then usr/bin/rsvg-view-3 gets built/installed20:59
j_v* added as depend21:00
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pedjawell, fuck. I knew I should've tested that patch in a clean Docker container21:51
cruxbot[opt.git/3.3]: librsvg: added missing gtk3 dep22:06
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pedjathanks, j_v22:08
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.3]: wine: update mono version to 4.7.123:34
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