IRC Logs for #crux Wednesday, 2017-08-16

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j_vgdb footprint now has a bunch of python files02:00
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brian|lfsNow there saying Trump is morally compromised02:56
brian|lfslol02:56
j_vthat's like saying water is wet02:58
brian|lfsI knoow02:59
brian|lfsbut water is really wet last I checked02:59
j_vwho's saying it that wasn't saying it before? it'd be interesting if congress would start openly saying it :>03:01
joacimnot sure if you have the credentials to say that water is wet03:15
joacimdo you have a phd in water?03:15
j_vok, well, maybe water is just a little damp03:19
brian|lfslol03:37
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frinnsthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Om9puRhKMc8 - jaeger, joacim will I see you there? :D06:57
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.3]: meson: initial import09:23
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onoderaHow's meson?09:44
frinnst"yet another build system"10:01
frinnstso instead of automake & cmake we now have automake, cmake & meson10:01
frinnstlooks nice and all, but for us its only more work10:02
frinnsthttps://people.gnome.org/~walters/docs/build-api.txt :-)10:03
cruxbot[opt.git/3.3]: orc: 0.4.26 -> 0.4.2710:06
frinnstseems all freedesktop.org projects are moving to it10:07
frinnstincluding gnome10:07
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.3]: curl-32: 7.55.0 -> 7.55.110:08
Romsterand scons and jam and and and... just to many build systems10:11
Romsteri saw orc went to it then i look at the thing and it's only in the git tree apparently.10:12
Romsterthought id add meson since i maintain python3 currently.10:12
Romsterbtw, if anyone wants some of my ports and use them more than i do feel free to ask me.10:14
Romsteri know the response will be that i do a fine job and all :D10:17
Romstermeson just configures most will use ninja but that is not the only backend that meson has.10:18
Romsterjaeger, you may as well add meson to the iso opt collection it'll be a requirement soon enough.10:19
Romsteralong with python3 and mpdecimal10:19
onoderaxorg will swich too irc10:36
cruxbot[opt.git/3.3]: nodejs: 8.3.0 -> 8.4.010:41
Romsteri don't see the point, the point was for gtk and stuff like that is it's easier to work it between windows and linux and it apparently builds faster and easier to maintain.10:45
][_R_][rake, gradle, ant...10:48
Romsteryep10:49
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.3]: jenkins: 2.73 -> 2.7410:51
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.3]: tint2: 0.12.12 -> 0.14.611:47
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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.3]: x265: 2.0 -> 2.511:56
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.3]: ffmpeg: 3.3.1 -> 3.3.311:56
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onoderahmm I hope ffmpeg finally compiles against libressl...13:20
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jaegerfrinnst: I like my keyboards but maybe not THAT much :)14:06
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SiFuh_frinnnst: my father uses a keyboard like that. I asked him why and he said he can feel/hear the keys... Now he is almost deaf...14:41
SiFuh_Guessing his typing was too noisey14:41
SiFuh_I remember years ago, he had his PC in my bed room. I couldn't sleep because of the keyboard noise...14:42
SiFuh_I decided to move to a country 4,000 KM away14:42
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tilmanfrinnnst: itym "automake, cmake, ninja and meson"17:14
tilman(meson generates ninja build-files)17:14
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pedjaI see that some distributions list re2c as ninja build dependency17:37
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pedja"The only reason coders’ computers work better than non-coders’ computers is coders know computers are schizophrenic little children with auto-immune diseases and we don’t beat them when they’re bad."17:42
pedjavery entertaining read http://www.stilldrinking.org/programming-sucks17:44
tilmanpedja: yes. do you know james mickens writings?17:52
pedjanever heard of him17:53
tilmanYOU LUCKY SOUL17:54
tilmanhttps://www.usenix.org/system/files/1311_05-08_mickens.pdf17:54
tilmanhttps://www.usenix.org/system/files/1309_14-17_mickens.pdf18:01
pedjathat's him? I watched a couple of his videos, he is awesome.18:02
pedjaI keep mistaking him for Kelsey Hightower, for some reason18:03
pedjathey are both higly entertaining presenters18:04
pedja"[..]. Apparently, the future is composed of devices that are shaped like optimally droppable objects, and whose sole purpose is to hold a charge for 17 minutes before transforming into a cellphone-sized pocket stone."18:09
pedja'optimally droppable objects' has to be one of the best definitions of mobile devices I ever read18:11
pedjathanks, tilman, for reminding me of him18:13
tilmanI HAVE NO TOOLS BECAUSE I DESTROYED MY TOOLS WITH MY TOOLS18:14
tilmanor:18:14
tilman"you can't just place a lisp book on top of an x86 chip and hope that the hardware learns about lambda calculus by osmosis"18:15
pedja"Young people often come up to me and say that “the cloud is the future.” This is proof that young people are idiots."18:15
tilman"when it's 3 AM, and you've been debugging for 12 hours and you encounter a virtual static friend protected volatile templated function pointer, you cant to go into hibernation and awake as a werewolf and then find the people who wrote the c++ standard and bring ruin to the things that they love."18:16
tilmanerr, "you _want_ to go into hibernation"18:16
pedjathat 'virtual static etc etc' is way over my head :). but, I get the gist of it (it's an abomination?)18:20
pedjanative encryption got merged into OpenZFS finally.cool18:27
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.3]: sysstat: updated to 11.4.619:25
tilmanpedja: it's a joke on the complexity of the language19:30
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pedjaah19:33
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