IRC Logs for #crux Friday, 2017-11-03

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RomsterACTION pokes cruxbot with a stick10:12
john_cephalopodaACTION gives Romster a more pointy stick10:13
john_cephalopodaTry again10:13
Romsterhehe10:16
Romsteri pushed commits to opt10:16
john_cephalopodaI am trying to compile gnat right now. I couldn't find any documentation on how to compile it.10:31
john_cephalopodaThe GNU ada website says, I have to download gcc. So I got that, and I told it to compile the language "ada".10:32
john_cephalopodaNow it tells me it needs GNAT to compile that.10:32
john_cephalopodaWhaaaat?10:32
john_cephalopodaSo it looks like I need something called "isl", which is not mentioned anywhere.10:33
john_cephalopodaOh... "In order to build the Ada compiler (GNAT) you must already have GNAT installed because portions of the Ada frontend are written in Ada (with GNAT extensions.) Refer to the Ada installation instructions for more specific information."10:35
Romsterlooks like fun10:35
Romsterwhat do you need ada for?10:36
john_cephalopodaI need GHDL, a VHDL tool, for a university lecture. This tool is written in Ada, so I need an Ada compiler to compile it.10:37
Romsterhttp://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/svn/general/gcc-ada.html10:39
Romstertake a look at my gcc-fortran port10:40
john_cephalopodaThanks, that link is helpful.10:41
Romsterno problem john10:44
Romsteri would do something like i did with ghc to only pull in gnat binary for bootstrapping if gcc-ada isn't already installed10:45
john_cephalopodaSounds like a good idea. I guess I'll try to do it this evening.10:50
john_cephalopodaHmmm, does the 'ntp' port also report a certificate error for you?10:50
Romsteri would write a Pkgfile but i have no need for ada10:51
Romstercannot verify www.eecis.udel.edu's certificate, issued by 'CN=GlobalSign Organization Validation CA - SHA256 - G2,O=GlobalSign nv-sa,C=BE':10:52
Romsteryep10:52
john_cephalopodaI'll send a mail to webmaster@ntp.org and report that issue.10:53
Romsternot sure if it's because of our ca-certificates?10:54
john_cephalopodaHmm, does firefox use those certificates, too? Or does it have its own list?10:55
Romsterfirefox uses nss/nspr10:55
john_cephalopodaFirefox tells me that it doesn't know the issuer either.10:55
john_cephalopoda"The certificate is not trusted because the issuer certificate is unknown."10:56
Romsternot self signed?10:56
john_cephalopodaGlobalSign Organization Validation CA - SHA256 - G210:57
john_cephalopodaIt looks like it is an issue with the University of Delaware.10:57
john_cephalopodaI'll look at that later, got a lecture now.10:57
Romsteri am using openntpd but even that isn't as secure as one of the others.10:58
Romsterokay10:58
john_cephalopodaSee you10:59
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frinnstchrony ftw11:04
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Romsterthat's the one, i forgot its name11:22
frinnstthere was a security audit recently for ntp solutions. ntp, chrony and openntp (I think) squared off. chrony won hands down11:28
frinnstno legacy code to deal with11:28
Romsteri did read that but it did not even mention openntpd only ntp11:31
Romsteriirc11:31
frinnstthere were 3 that they audited11:33
frinnstit might not have been openntp tho11:33
frinnstah it was ntpsec11:36
frinnsthttps://www.coreinfrastructure.org/news/blogs/2017/09/securing-network-time11:37
Romsteryeah and i use openntpd so i have no idea how good/bad that implementation is11:51
][_R_][I found the 15 minute distance thing to be really annoying with openntpd12:15
leah2i found openntpd to be not robust on linux, switched to chrony with no regrets12:15
leah2but the code itself should be safe12:15
][_R_][I mean, I setup ntp /because/ I had massive disparancies in time between my machines (at the time one box would only advance the clock 23h44m in a 34h period.12:16
][_R_][24h*12:16
Romsternone of my machines are out but more than a few seconds, openntpd just keeps them in check12:21
pedja"System time : 0.000098950 seconds slow of NTP time"12:23
pedjaI switched from openntpd to chrony a while back, it is awesome12:26
pedjaopenntpd had some issues, iirc, with the ntp pool I am using12:27
pedjachrony is more robust, at least for me12:29
pedjaheh, python still segfaults when it tries to get the list of available modules12:30
Romsterbefore or after the setuptools update pedja ?12:37
Romsterand python or python312:37
pedjapython. current setuptools here is 36.5.0. was there an update?12:38
pedjaanyway, I think the issue is with one of my ports, tulip.12:40
pedjaand I am right. as soon as I removed tulip, python works fine12:44
pedjathank Eris for gdb12:45
Romsteri pushed setuptools 3.6.0 for both python versions12:45
pedjareally? cool. cruxbot is still kind of broken, I see :)12:46
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frinnstbut the timeline is fixed \o/12:50
frinnsttek changed the bot up. its now fed through redis12:51
pedjapost-commit hook ---> redis ---> cruxbot?12:52
frinnstpossibly12:57
pedjanever played with NoSQL db13:00
frinnstdbs are boring13:01
pedjaas they should be, just like file systems :)13:02
pedja'SQL Complete Reference' is 900+ pages. a fascinating read13:05
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ryu0frinnst: it's now web scale? \o/14:03
ryu0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2F-DItXtZs14:03
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frinnstyeah14:39
frinnstACTION runs a mongodb instance14:39
frinnstgraylog uses it - never had to touch it yet14:40
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jaegerthat's me messing with the bot15:00
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SiFuhryu0: that's pretty funny15:16
frinnsthttps://secure3.lasvegasnevada.gov/ewarrantlookup/wanted_poster.aspx?HistNo=1000379&CaseNo=%27C1180047A%27 rip temple-os :(15:37
SiFuhWhat do they want him for?15:42
ryu0It says BATTERY.15:42
ryu0So, they want to recharge him? D:15:43
][_R_][http://www.codersnotes.com/notes/a-constructive-look-at-templeos/ <-- This actually makes Temple OS sound amazing15:48
SiFuhI love Plan 9 ;-)15:57
joacimi find myself agreeing with him on some topics. like simple computers15:59
joacimcurrent computers lack "glory"15:59
SiFuhI thought the part where they say personal computers don't need other users, therefore no permissions. I also liked the part TemplOS is a motorbike. Don't lean over too far, you will fall off.16:01
cruxbot[xorg.git/3.3]: libdrm: updated to 2.4.8817:28
frinnstits aliiiive17:28
ryu0http://assets.amuniversal.com/c64c77c0986a012f2fe400163e41dd5b17:47
SiFuhbetter he offers hammer & tong17:52
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crash_friday whisky and prt-get sysup :)19:13
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