IRC Logs for #crux Monday, 2017-12-11

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cruxbot[opt.git/3.3]: [notify] thunderbird: updated to 52.5.07:07
cruxbot[opt.git/3.3]: [notify] firefox: updated to
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timcowchipis there a pkgfile for firefox 57?07:48
joacimin romster repos07:50
timcowchipthanks frinnst07:51
timcowchipI saw Romster's too, joacim07:51
john_cephalopodaOooh, ff 57...08:09
timcowchipfrinnst: I see a Pkgile for fail2ban08:12
timcowchipbut the source ($version.tar.gz \08:13
timcowchip fail2ban)y08:13
timcowchipminus the y08:13
timcowchipdoesn't seem to work for pkgmk -d08:14
john_cephalopodaI remember that there was some reason why ff 57 isn't in opt yet. What was the reason again?08:14
frinnstsee, this is why I dont publish my own repo :-)08:14
frinnstjohn_cephalopoda: rust dep08:15
frinnstand alsa is now dead in firefox08:15
frinnstits getting better so hopefully it will be in the next crux release08:15
john_cephalopodaIt's completely dead and unpatchable? :/08:15
frinnstthey removed the code for firefox 58b. its still in 5708:15
john_cephalopodaDamn Pulse.08:15
frinnstyep. running pulse on my system at home now08:16
frinnstits not *that* bad anymore08:16
john_cephalopodaI remember the time when all websites said "It's super-laggy, don't use it!" :þ08:17
frinnstI ran a centos6 desktop when i started working here with pulse. it was shit08:17
john_cephalopodaThat appears to be fixed now. But it interacts in scary ways with jackd and simply isn't really KISS.08:17
john_cephalopodaSo much software becomes more and more complex and unusable...08:18
frinnstit cant yet read email though08:18
john_cephalopodaWhat can't read e-mail?08:19
john_cephalopodaI am sure, systemd-pulsemaild will be there soon.08:20
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timcowchipah, fail2ban is also a sourced file08:36
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.3]: gst-plugins-base-32: 1.12.3 -> 1.12.408:36
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.3]: gstreamer-32: 1.12.3 -> 1.12.408:36
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.3]: harfbuzz-32: 1.7.1 -> 1.7.208:36
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.3]: cairo-32: 1.15.6 -> 1.15.808:36
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.3]: openssl-32: 1.0.2m -> 1.0.2n08:36
cruxbot[opt.git/3.3]: gst-plugins-base: 1.12.3 -> 1.12.408:40
cruxbot[opt.git/3.3]: gstreamer: 1.12.3 -> 1.12.408:40
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.3]: gstreamer-vaapi: 1.12.3 -> 1.12.408:43
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.3]: gst-libav: 1.12.3 -> 1.12.408:43
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.3]: gst-python: 1.12.3 -> 1.12.408:43
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.3]: gst-plugins-ugly: 1.12.3 -> 1.12.408:43
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.3]: gst-plugins-bad: 1.12.3 -> 1.12.408:43
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.3]: gst-plugins-good: 1.12.3 -> 1.12.408:43
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.3]: harfbuzz-icu: 1.7.1 -> 1.7.208:43
john_cephalopodaThat's a lot of updates.08:43
joacim"its not *that* bad anymore"08:45
Romsteryes yes it is08:45
joacimit is horrible08:45
joacimi get crackling with PA08:45
joacimhave to run pulseaudio --kill all the time08:45
joacimand restart whatever it is i want to make audio08:46
frinnstjust installed it on my work-pc to tease you people :)08:46
joacimworse than the early alsa days when without a hardware mixer you couldnt play both oss and alsa content at the same time08:46
joacimnow i get a way through the content before i notice the crackle, and have to kill it and seek forward to find the same location again08:47
frinnstdo you have a crux install availble joachim?08:47
joacimserver and laptop08:47
frinnstwanna try it?. consolekit + pulseaudio08:47
john_cephalopodajoacim: Now ALSA got OSS emulation :þ08:47
joacimnot tempted to =)08:47
joacimsince my experience with it on fedora has been rather annoying08:48
frinnstinstall alsa-plugins and put this in /etc/asound.conf:08:48
frinnstpcm.default pulse08:48
frinnstctl.default pulse08:48
frinnstand make sure you have dbus in rc.conf08:48
john_cephalopodaPure ALSA ftw! :þ
john_cephalopodaThe only disadvantage of ALSA is, that the configuration process isn't well-documented.08:49
ryu0ACTION generalizes.08:51
frinnstsoftware volume mixing usually doesnt work that well08:51
ryu0$X isn't well-documented.08:51
joacimi think my audigy is supposed to have a hardware mixer08:52
joacimno idea if pa can use that08:52
frinnstyeah but then you only get a global volume control08:53
frinnstlower the volume in one application and its lowered in all08:53
joacimi dont mind that08:53
joacimi kinda hate micromanaging08:53
timcowchiphard to swith output to bluetooth speakers without pavucontrol08:54
frinnstwell, if any of you find a maintained alsa-patch for future firefox versions i'd be very interested in it08:54
frinnstotherwise its chromium or some other browser08:54
joacimI'll install PA when I must08:55
joacimhow about oss? firefox works on bsds08:55
Romsterdoes the newr firefox have jack support? fucked to hell am i ever running pulseaudio, i'll resort to apulse if it comes to that.08:57
ryu0Romster: why? so you can jack off when using it? :P08:58
joacim"Firefox 22 has dropped support for OSS | The FreeBSD Forums"08:58
frinnstpulseaudio runs on bsd, no?08:59
joacimthink so08:59
ryu0i wonder if that includes OSSv4.08:59
joacimbut poettering seems to think bsd is dead, so how long will that last08:59
frinnstthe interface is probably the same08:59
joacimread somewhere that freebsd folks thinks their oss is better than oss4, and also compatible with oss409:00
joacimwas just a random comment on their forums tho09:00
frinnstSCO OSR609:00
frinnstwonder how they got their hands on that to test :)09:00
ryu0frinnst: maybe they bought it in a firesale when SCO was being liquidated.09:01
frinnsti tested oss4 a few years ago. worked nice but too many linux apps didnt support it09:01
joacimno illumos? or will  solaris 10/11 stuff just work on openindiana?09:01
ryu0no idea.09:01
joacimoss4 worked ok for me. for the software that didnt support it, i could use the oss part from alsa-plugins09:02
ryu0OSSv4 includes a library to replace ALSA...09:02
joacimi tried fiddling with that. i just switched to alsa-plugins since that seemed easier09:03
timcowchiplistened to this on my bluetooth speaker via pulseaudio09:03
joacimanyways. os x doesn't have this problem :]09:03
frinnstit already runs something a lot more complex than pa :)09:08
joacimyeah but i dont have to think about it. and it works.09:09
joacimI'm not sure if I'm joking or if I'm being serious09:09
frinnstyou just probably want it to work09:10
frinnstand since you dont have much control over osx there isnt much you can do about it09:10
joacimdon't feel like i have much control over the whole PA situation either09:11
frinnstI just needed one dependency - consolekit09:12
joacimit's going to happen, and it doesn't matter if i like it or not09:12
joacimsystemd too I guess. but i can always grow my beard longer and start using tribblix =)09:13
frinnsta coworker just got a call. he asked the customer to open up a browser and visit our support site (to download remote control software)09:15
frinnstthe customer turns off her computer instead of opening a browser09:15
frinnsthelpdesk sounds like fun09:16
joacima bit torn on that too. that position is hell09:18
joacimbut you get so many good stories09:18
frinnsthe just laughed his ass off after the call09:19
Romsterthat was a shitty joke ryu0 -_-09:22
ryu0Romster: lol09:27
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j_vjoacim: weechat has footprint mismatch:10:16
j_vNEW       -rwxr-xr-x      root/root       usr/lib/weechat/plugins/fset.so10:16
frinnstthats because you have something extra installed. You can enable PKGMK_IGNORE_NEW="yes"10:21
frinnstin pkgmk.conf10:21
joacimgot lazy and just pushed the update without checking if it builds with new stuff in chroot10:22
frinnstonly enable that if you dont care about NEW "errors"10:22
j_vwas built in container with no extras10:25
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john_cephalopodaNEW errors usually appear when there are optional dependencies installed. Imo it makes sense to ignore those.10:35
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j_vjohn_cephalopoda: yep, thanks. is that really true if there are  no  optional dependencies installed?10:44
john_cephalopodaYes, if the package is properly packaged.10:46
john_cephalopodaThe i3 package in the jmf repo was packed on a computer with one extra dependency and thus reports MISSING files. I'll have to fix it some time.10:48
joacimwake up too early again11:10
joacimabout to fall asleep11:10
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joacimj_v: updated the footprint11:11
j_vjoacim: cool, thanks11:19
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.3]: [notify] nodejs: 8.9.0 -> 8.9.3 Fix for CVE-2017-15896, CVE-2017-15897, and CVE 2017-373812:49
pedjasince when is nodejs in opt?12:50
cruxbot[opt.git/3.3]: meson: 0.43.0 -> 0.44.012:54
cruxbot[opt.git/3.3]: python-setuptools: 37.0.0 -> 38.2.412:54
cruxbot[opt.git/3.3]: python3-setuptools: 37.0.0 -> 38.2.412:54
pedja'The UEFI security model, as far as he can see, is obscurity.' and we know how well *that* works...13:00
frinnstuefi is a pain in the arse13:17
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.3]: cython: 0.24.1 -> 0.27.313:23
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.3]: youtube-dl: 2017.11.15 -> 2017.12.1013:23
Romstersince when chromium depends on it pedja13:23
pedjaRomster, thanks :)13:25
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.3]: pycparser: 2.17 -> 2.1813:35
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.3]: python-cryptography: 2.1.3 -> 2.1.413:35
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.3]: python-pyasn1: 0.3.7 -> 0.4.213:35
frinnstso.. what's more evil. nodejs or pa ? :-)13:36
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SiFuhThats Damn Rock n Roll13:43
Romsteri would still say pa13:43
pedjawhy? sound servers are nothing new in Linux13:44
pedjait works fine, without too much fiddling (some wth upstream defaults notwithstanding)13:48
Romsterbecause 1) latency i'd rather use jack than pa if i can't use alsa directly. 2) it's made by the same brandead kay of systemd.13:48
Romster3) i don't need per a application sound control.13:49
Romster4) my setup works fine with just alsa as it is now.13:49
pedjaGentoo builds FF with Jack and PA, so everybody is happy :)13:57
frinnstCore 1:        +80.0C  (high = +85.0C, crit = +105.0C)13:59
SiFuhPA is Pulse Audio?13:59
SiFuhI use Pulse Audio14:00
rmullIt is possible to do bluetooth audio without pulseaudio?14:02
SiFuhI understand Romsters 3rd comment14:02
frinnstyes with extra deps14:02
rmullfrinnst: Oh okay I didn't know that14:02
rmullI think I ended up with PA on my system after experimenting with bluez a couple years ago14:02
SiFuhI didn't like alsa14:03
frinnsti7-3770K sure gets hot with a stock cooler14:03
joacimi think bluez depends on pa too now14:09
joacimor at least, i think there was something about that on slackware14:09
joacimlooks like i'll never get to upgrade to windows 10 on my am4 board. will have to waste a retail key on it14:10
SiFuhjoacim: you shouldn't say dirty words14:13
joacimi guess ill just ask for more win10 codes =)14:15
joacimnot a huge deal i guess14:15
SiFuhlast time I use windows was when I used my fathers computer in the 90's  It was windows 95 and then upgrade to 98 SE.14:20
SiFuhafter that it is just fix but I never owned it or used it for a desktop14:20
joacimi use it on my windows games console14:20
joacimbut i guess i'll have to use it for work too14:21
joacimguessing there wont be much unix or linux work around, considering how hostile people around here is to anything not windows14:21
SiFuhevery office that I ever worked with a computer. I automatically install linux or unix on it. ;-)14:22
SiFuhI think the Windows are dirty and need to be cleaned  haha14:23
SiFuhI have 7 notebooks(laptops) and 1 PC (Not working now) not one of them runs windows and not a single harddisk has it installed ;-)14:24
joacimabout cleaning. surprised by how much time people spend on "cleaning" theirs14:27
joacimwith stuff like ccleaner. not sure if i understand the need for such applications14:27
joacimthey just seem like placebo to me14:28
SiFuhthe amount of laptops i get that have ccleaners and registry cleaners, malware cleaners and some even have mnore than 1 virus scanner14:28
SiFuhit is ridiculous14:29
joacimseen some i had no idea existed after i started working with rma and services14:29
SiFuhI had a conversation with some people that were born during the internet days. The days handphones(Mobile Phones, Celluar Phones)  existed. They can use them, but they don't actually understand them.14:30
SiFuhthose born or lived between 60s to 90s have a higher chance of actually understanding how software and hardware work14:31
joacimi know people that used to manage their files and floppies with msdos, and now have no idea of how to manage their usb drives14:32
SiFuhi haven't see that  but holy wow14:33
SiFuhi know my father in his 70's can reinstall windows and format computers and things.. He copies a movie from my flash drive, pulls out the drive after copying has finished and says one of the movies doesn't work. I always ask "did you unmount it or pull it out?"14:34
abenzwatermelons man!14:42
abenzits like drinking and eating at the same time14:43
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jaegerjoacim: you can buy very cheap windows 7 retail keys that work fine to activate win10 still14:47
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joacimonly works until december 31.14:53
joacimso i need a new motherboard before then14:53
abenz_zen+ coars coming!14:53
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abenz_sell your ryzen/TR cpus now14:54
joacimthe retailer took a few days to respond to my request, when they responded, they told me to contact asus first for troubleshooting14:54
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joacimand asus hasnt contacted me back yet14:54
joacimbut yeah. zen+. if the retailer gives me the option, i can just accept a refund =)14:55
joacimnot too much of a hassle tbh. i can simply ask one of my teachers if i can have a few extra 10 edu and pro licenses14:56
joacimthe retailer sent me to the norwegian asus site, so i had no idea if i could reply in norwegian or should've used english15:03
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timcowchiplistinst [<filter>][--depsort]  what can be used for filter?21:50
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john_cephalopodatimcowchip: Apparently some kind of wildcard expression for packages21:53
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.3]: wine: 2.22 -> 3.0-rc121:56
john_cephalopodatimcowchip: Actually it is some special kind of regular expression.21:58
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john_cephalopodatimcowchip: To be exact, it supports all regular expressions that are defined in /usr/include/regex.h22:01
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timcowchipthanks john_cephalopoda :)22:51
john_cephalopodatimcowchip: np22:52
john_cephalopodaOpen source, everything is in the code ;þ22:52
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