IRC Logs for #crux Tuesday, 2017-12-12

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xckobuffer overflow in glibc's :
frinnstyeah saw that08:49
frinnsthavent seen any patches for it yet08:53
Sitri- the buffer overflow is not exploitable if  /proc/sys/fs/protected_hardlinks is enabled08:59
SitriAlso there is a patch09:00
Sitri- the memory leak and the buffer overflow are not exploitable if the glibc is patched against CVE-2017-100036609:01
xckoalso I think there is a small bug in the llvm readme: mesa3d-gallium is not an available package to rebuild on major version changes. perhaps it means mesa3d as gallium is enabled in the config?09:03
frinnstSitri: where's the patch? I dont see it in git nor the mail. but I am usually blind09:13
SitriThe patch is for another CVE09:13
SitriAs noted above09:13
frinnstyeah that should be in crux already09:14
joacimaccording to that blog. only long haired and bearded men wants to use plain alsa09:27
frinnstyeah impressive neckbeard09:27
joacim"Please do note that issues caused by customer updating BIOS are not covered under warranty"09:28
joacimif i get the same response from dustin too, i guess i finally get a project for my rpi =)09:32
joacimfrom experience, you can get wildly different answers depending on which technician or representative you end up with09:38
SitriACTION has short hair, clean shaven and uses ALSA :/10:00
joacimyou might have a beard somewhere else10:00
SitriI shave everywhere10:00
joacimnot even hobbit feet?10:00
SitriEven those10:01
frinnstI like how a customer expects me to fix a crashing adobe application10:45
ryu0frinnst: blame the vendor and call it a day.10:47
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frinnst"but YOU are my vendor!"11:10
frinnstmy customers are usually not that bright11:10
pedjafrinnst, anything r/talesfromtechsupport worthy :) ?11:14
frinnstthe glorious user from a few days ago that didnt have a web-browser on her computer and then turned it off was pretty special11:15
frinnst"I dont have a web browser"11:16
frinnst"Oh, I think i turned my computer off"11:16
pedjawell, fsck11:16
frinnst"Internet Doesnt work - I cannot connect to the RDS server"11:16
frinnst<customer redirected to our support portal to download remote control software>11:17
frinnstTurns out she already is on the server and trying to connect to it again11:17
pedjayour fault, really. no big flaming red 'you are logged in' message on half the screen? poor UI right there11:20
frinnstyeah because a server 2012r2 desktop looks EXACTLY like her windows7 screen11:21
joacimI like the ones that have an issue with a part of windows11:21
frinnstoh wait, it doesnt11:21
joacimand think getting another windows computer for free will solve it11:21
pedjafrinnst, it has a wallpaper and icons, I presume, so it's basically identical :)11:24
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joacimmake the background and ui elements pink11:26
joacimwith big rainbow coloured text11:26
pedjaa.k.a visual cue11:27
pedjabut, doesn't RDP scale down the visuals, depending on the speed of the connection between machines?11:28
pedjait's been a while since I logged in my Windows VM11:29
frinnstit does, yeah11:30
frinnsta lot of our customers connect via lan though. through the city fibre network11:30
pedjawho owns that fibre, btw? city?11:31
pedjaaccording to Wikipedia, municipal broadband is common in Nordic countries.11:40
frinnstevery city has one11:41
frinnstwho ever thought it was a good idea to bring their toddler to the workplace?11:45
joacimdont have that where i live11:48
joacimthe fibre is owned by some private company11:48
joacimthey havent pissed off enough people yet for competition to show up11:48
joacimsome more rural areas have their fibre rolled out and owned by the local power company tho.11:49
frinnsti think there are 4-6 fibre networks in my town. one is owned by the local power company and then a bunch of ISPs/carriers11:51
pedjado they share the infrastructure?11:53
frinnstno, that would be smart11:53
joacimwonder how the phone and power infrastructure is handled. if that too is private11:56
frinnstphone is private. power is municipal11:58
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pedja if you are bored at $WORK12:14
frinnstoh man, this will occupy my day12:29
pedjasorry :)12:31
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joacimgot the x370 board and cpu ready for shipping.13:42
joacimi somehow doubt they'll approve a replacement or reflash.13:45
frinnstthey agreed to receive it?13:51
joacimdustin did, but they kinda placed all responsibility on me13:53
joacimtypical for retailers i think. they kinda have to considering how much bs people do to their hw13:54
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joacimno idea if they'll put the cpu through the appropriate tests to prove the "performance marginality issue", or if they're just going to run the typical prime95 stuff13:55
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abenzjoacim: are you the one with the TR build?15:45
joacimgot one yes15:46
abenzrunning crux?15:47
joacimfedora at the moment15:47
joacimconsidering going back, but i wanted to try out fedora for a bit15:47
joacimsince i havent used it since fedora core 315:48
joacimi did boot my old crux install on it once. seemed to work fine15:49
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joacimfrinnst: do you salt your roads, bicycle lanes, and sidewalks in sweden?20:32
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joacimthe salt drives me crazy. what could've been nice solid snow for walking and biking is now just sandlike mush, or frozen ice20:33
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ryu0joacim: could you say the whole experience felt you feeling salty?20:38
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joacimheh. yes =)20:42
joacimi'm very salty about the road salt20:42
joacimroad salt is for and by extreme consumerists20:43
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john_cephalopodajoacim: It was probably not salted right.20:50
john_cephalopodaI heard, that all those crypto people are good at salting. Also cooks seem to be good at it, too.20:51
joacimwe put salt on everything, even when we dont need to20:57
joacimlike on salted meat20:57
ryu0joacim: so you as salt everything. good to know.21:02
joacimtried putting salt on watermelon?21:03
joacimpretty god21:03
john_cephalopodajoacim: Salt decreases the freezing temperature of water, so it freezes way under zero. This will usually melt the snow faster, but when you are unlucky it gets colder and then everything is slippery. Also it isn't really got for nature.21:03
john_cephalopodaReminds me, I got a coconut...21:04
john_cephalopodaAnd no saw.21:04
john_cephalopodaI could try to hammer it open.21:04
joacimgot a drill?21:04
ryu0joacim: use your head man.21:04
john_cephalopodajoacim: Umm, let me see...21:04
ryu0absurd phone specs:
john_cephalopodaNope, no drill,21:05
john_cephalopodaMy new phone got 8 cores at 2GHz. Doesn't feel faster than my old one with 1.2 GHz quadcore.21:07
john_cephalopodaAlso wow, that old thing had four cores? :O21:07
john_cephalopodaApps must be inefficient as hell.21:07
joacimi dont know what mine has21:08
joacim1920x1080 screen is the only thing i know21:08
jaegerwhen the phone can emulate wii games at full speed it's maybe a little crazy at that point21:08
joacimthere was a time where i had more pixels on my phone than on my main desktop21:08
john_cephalopodajoacim: What's the name of your phone?21:08
joacimnexus 521:08
john_cephalopodaQuad-core 2.3 GHz21:09
john_cephalopodaThe old phone had 540 x 960 px, which was noticable when using it with those phone HMDs like Google Cardboard.21:10
john_cephalopodaThe new one is full HD, which is exactly the same resolution as my two computers. :รพ21:11
joacimsome mobile phone software applications are a little slow to launch on my phone21:12
joacimbut once running, they're pretty smooth21:12
joacimi dont really know why some software is so slow to launch tho. slow internal storage i guess21:13
john_cephalopodaI have no issues with launch speed. But some apps are badly written and/or pull large amounts of power.21:13
john_cephalopodaLike the app. Even in "idle" state, it drains most of my battery.21:14
joacimbattery life is kinda random too. sometimes it can stay on standby for 3 days21:14
joacimusually just 1-2 days21:14
john_cephalopodaI actually only bought my new phone because I thought that my old phone's battery was dead. 12 hours runtime max.21:14
joacimi used to get a lot of customers complaining about the battery life on their phones. had to charge it every day they said.21:15
john_cephalopodaAfter using the new phone for a while, I saw that the old phone, now with riot turned off, ran for 3 days easily.21:15
joacimand they always had a lot of applications on there, even tho they said they never used them21:15
john_cephalopodaThe android tactics of having all apps open in some way is a bit strange.21:15
joacimone customer stood there saying she never used snapchat, while her phone was notifying about new messages 1-2 times a minute21:15
john_cephalopodaSome can't really be killed.21:16
john_cephalopodaIf I close apps, they sometimes stay active in background and things like that.21:16
joacimi just remove the ones i dont use21:16
john_cephalopodaWell, those are the ones I use.21:17
joacimpretty much just keep what I have on my home screen21:17
joacimjust one page worth21:17
john_cephalopodaI only have apps I need on my device. Even installed LineageOS to get rid of the google crap.21:17
joacimeverything else is just stock apps. i dont want to bother about figuring out which i can disable and not without ruining functionality of other apps21:17
john_cephalopodaAndroid is a mess. I just want a nice phone OS.21:17
onoderaI'd also suggest copperheadOS21:20
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onoderait's a secured version of android,21:20
onoderaships with f-droid as the default store21:20
timcowchipwhat's the "f" stand for?21:23
john_cephalopoda"free", probably.21:25
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john_cephalopodatimcowchip: It'S a repository for free/libre apps.21:28
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frinnstjoacim: roads yeah. sidewalks are gritted22:04
joacimi think it is time for a violent revolution22:10
joacimagainst road salt22:10
joacim kernel                              x86_64        4.14.4-200.fc26            updates          66 k22:10
joacimthe kernel containing the npt fix just hit fedora22:10
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john_cephalopodajoacim: They are already controlling our brains with the salt!22:39
john_cephalopodaIt's in the water! All seas are full of it! The Atlantic! The Pacific! The whole Indian Ocean!22:39
joacimeven my tears are salty22:40
ryu0john_cephalopoda: look out. the guys in the white coats are after you.22:40
john_cephalopodajoacim: You are one of them already22:42
john_cephalopodajoacim: You may not feel it, but you are already infected with the saltiness. Farewell, I will seek out for a cure. I'll save you first, when I find it.22:42
pedja'say no to (low quality) drugs'22:51
john_cephalopodaThe new firefox looks decent.23:02
joacimi've heard people say it looks like chromium, but i think it looks more like an old firefox with a "current" icon theme23:04
joacimunless there is an even newer one that i dont know about?23:05
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ryu0oui. what's with laptops these days? they seem obsessed with thinness.23:24
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john_cephalopodaryu0: Smartphones merged PDAs, mobile phones and cameras.23:46
john_cephalopodaryu0: Ultrabooks merge laptops and kitchen knifes.23:47
ryu0john_cephalopoda: that explains the sharp edges. Ow!23:47
john_cephalopodaYou see, it's also a preparation for world war 3.23:48
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john_cephalopodaDuring the cold war, people built bulky laptops and heavy HDDs. You could kill your enemy with those.23:48
john_cephalopodaNow, with new struggles between East and West, we need better weapons. And since they got so light, they must be sharper.23:48

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