IRC Logs for #crux Thursday, 2017-12-14

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vsteve_does anyone know where to get the unofficial updated install isos?02:25
vsteve_it'd be really nice to have an install image with gdisk in it02:25
jaegeryou can get the updated ISOs here: https://crux.ninja/updated-iso/02:30
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timcowchipwhich kernel in the Dec 12th iso?02:36
jaeger4.9.6102:36
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timcowchipthanks02:37
jaegernp02:37
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vsteve_thanks for the link jaeger03:20
jaegerwelcome03:21
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.3]: mupdf: update to 1.12.012:32
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cruxbot[xorg.git/3.3]: libinput: update to 1.9.413:04
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joacim"vi kan gjøre er og ta det inn til oss for at ta det på service for at få et uttalende om dette"13:46
joacimfrinnst: is this some odd swedish -> norwegian translation?13:46
joacimI imagine this is what it looks like when a norwegian tries to speak swedish13:47
joacimor svorsk13:47
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frinnsthaha13:49
frinnstit makes sense in swedish: "What we can do is to bring it in for a service to get an opinion (as to whats wrong)"13:50
joacimi guess they figured out it was easier to communicate with their norwegian customers like that13:56
joacimnorwegians probably wont understand "skicka" and "hemmabiosystem"13:57
cruxbot[opt.git/3.3]: chromium: 62.0.3202.94 -> 63.0.3239.8414:11
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.3]: opus: 1.1.3 -> 1.2.114:13
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frinnstyeah, you lot are a bit thick16:21
frinnst:>16:21
joacimvery =)16:24
joacimstarting to feel like asus needs better support staff. they're kinda dismissiv and abrasive16:25
joacim*dismissive*16:25
jaegeryou were supposed to talk to the customer service department, not the customer harassment department16:46
joacimwouldn't be surprised if asus had a bondage branch16:49
joacimits the nature of support these days i guess. understaffed and profit driven16:50
joacimstaff turns grumpy16:50
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john_cephalopodaASUS rope, chains and leather, child of ASUS Holding.17:04
joacimthey have the best vac beds on the market17:05
john_cephalopodaBtw: https://www.fcc.gov/general/live17:12
frinnstman, you lot are so screwed17:17
john_cephalopodaEverybody is screwed17:19
joacimmove to india17:20
john_cephalopodaAll big websites are in the USA.17:22
frinnstnot for long, probably17:22
john_cephalopodahttps://twitter.com/KaleighRogers/status/941357257199116290 :D17:22
frinnstI like how they are joking around when building the foundation to ruin an entire industry17:27
john_cephalopodaRuin which industry?17:28
frinnsttrue, many probably17:28
john_cephalopodaThey try to give ISPs more powers.17:28
frinnstgood luck creating a startup that relies on high bandwidth in the future17:29
frinnstthe pied piper guys are screwed :)17:30
john_cephalopodaWho cares about startups?17:30
john_cephalopodaThey don't give taxes to you.17:30
frinnstswedens biggest isp is currently offering unlimited data for "social networks" on 4g17:31
frinnstinstagram + facebook pretty much17:32
frinnstits all tied up in the courts with appeals and shit17:32
frinnstbut they are still offering it17:32
frinnstI've emailed them and asked if my social network (of 1 user) could be included in that17:32
frinnsthavent gotten a reply yet17:32
tilmanhuehuehue17:33
joacimmobile carriers do something similar here. unlimited data for spotify and tidal17:41
joacimdo they consider irc as a social network?17:41
pedjaSlack is the new hotness17:45
joacimsurprised to see everyone talking about slackware again17:45
pedja:)17:45
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cruxbot[xorg.git/3.3]: mesa3d: update to 17.2.718:35
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pedjafrinnst, https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1221579 (FF ALSA backend patch)18:36
pedjait works (for 'FF crashes randomly' values of 'works')18:38
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frinnst Comment 8 o 3 months ago19:16
frinnstprobably already extra broken19:17
frinnstpa sucks - i give everyone that19:17
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pedjasucks how? I am curious, I haven't had any major issues with it since I started using it19:50
pedjagranted, my use case is pretty simple. m/b onboard audio, stereo speaker system19:51
pedjachoices are limited. build opt/FF with Jack backend, keep using ESR version, or bypass rust clusterfuck altogether and ship upstream binary with pulseaudio as hard dependency19:56
pedjaGentoo has gone with pulseaudio/jack in their 57.x build19:58
pedjausing ESR is just postponing the decision20:02
pedjathere is a article with ugly hack using apulse, but relaxing security to have sound seems wrong to me20:04
joacimcrackling randomly. gotta run pulseaudio --kill periodically to "fix" it20:13
joacimuntil that is fixed. PA is the devil incarnate20:14
john_cephalopodapedja: I am using 57.0.2 with ALSA.20:16
pedjaenjoy it while it lasts :)20:17
john_cephalopodaWrite your own browser \o/20:18
john_cephalopodaWhat alternative to FF exists?20:18
john_cephalopodaThe web is simply built in a way, that it has a ton of multimedia.20:19
marakuthere was fifth that fun packaged which uses webkitfltk, and lightweight alternatives like surf...20:23
marakubut other than that no 'complete' browsers with mainstream support20:23
pedjaniche browsers for niche audience :)20:26
joacimwe can fork it20:28
joacimby we I mean you20:28
pedjaopenSUSE community has a 'those that do, decide' rule20:31
pedjaand it makes sense. people that volunteer their free time/resources/work should get to decide what is done and how20:33
joacimsounds like a dream that will never work20:33
joacimthere are too many tantrums about disagreements20:33
joacimright now im just content with watching the world burn20:33
joacimi'll even help fuel the fire a little bit if they ask nice enough20:34
joacimhttp://landoflisp.com/20:36
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joacimthis cartoon will come true i'm sure of it20:36
pedjahttps://youtu.be/efHCdKb5UWc?t=48s20:36
pedjahttps://looking-glass.hostfission.com/20:45
pedjainteresting project20:45
marakuis that what the levelone tech video showed?20:53
pedjayes20:54
marakupretty cool, i wonder if it'll work with an eGPU (through thunderbolt 3)20:54
pedjathat's an interesting idea20:55
pedjathunderbolt patents expire next year, right?21:00
pedjaah, Intel will release it royalty-free to boost its adoption21:04
john_cephalopodajoacim: The "Those who do" approach works.21:18
john_cephalopodaSystemd is successful, even though there are a lot of disagreements.21:18
john_cephalopodaImagine where we could be, if we would _do_ :þ21:23
joacimsystemd seemed to happen regardless of what the opposition doed21:25
john_cephalopodaBecause those people do.21:26
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marakuthere's also pale moon in the browser realm22:31
j_vi have a port of palemoon in my repo... works ok. i keep it updated in case i decide to go that route... only browse with it randomly22:42
john_cephalopodaI use firefox as part of TOR browser daily.22:50
john_cephalopodaI doubt that they will migrate to some other browser.22:50
j_vi'm also playing around with luakit some. i like it so far and development seems to be pretty active.22:52
joacimluakit is back?22:52
joacimthought it died22:53
j_vnope, it got resurrected a while back... ported to webkit2, extensive work seems to have been done and also on going22:55
j_vseems pretty stable to me, but i haven't had much time lately to really run it through its paces22:56
j_vi was hoping dwb would get ported to webkit2, like that surf is ported to webkit2 (though most of the time it's too sparse for even my simple tastes)22:57
j_vi had gotten pretty far with porting jumanji to webkit2, but my 'spare time' got to sparse and i had to leave be. unfortunately time is still tight.22:59
joacimthought about getting into luakit a long time ago, before my monitor died and became a fulltime macbook user23:03
joacimwas making ports for it and everything23:04
marakumonitor dying -> macbook user? how does that cause and effect relate? :)23:04
joacimhad a desktop computer with crux23:04
joacimhad a macbook23:04
marakuah, not running crux on the laptop then?23:05
joacimmonitor died, so the macbook took over my main desktop tasks as well as doing my on the go tasks23:05
joacimyeah i just kept mac os x on it23:05
marakusounds like heresy23:06
j_vi pushed my luakit port to my repo, so it's available23:06
marakunice23:06
marakuare you the person behind stygian j_v?23:07
j_vhttps://stygian.me? yeah, that's me23:07
marakucool, i just grabbed palemoon a bit back (30 minutes)23:07
marakunow luakit too! thanks for the ports23:08
j_vglad you can get some use of them :)23:08
marakuoh, time for a webkitgtk update! bug report incoming23:13
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j_vdidn't we just get a bump to 2.18.3? 2.19.3 is unstable branch, i thought23:15
marakuright... jumped the gun a bit there23:17
maraku2.19.3 got's some new dependencies too, like upower and something called libwoff23:17
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xckoit seems that mksh in contrib fails to download. Oddly, I think the source url does not support https - maybe this is a temporary error though23:30

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