IRC Logs for #crux Sunday, 2018-02-11

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frinnst:D00:57
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brian|lfshmm tsaop has competition I see05:23
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jaegerchinese experiment laptop has made it through customs, apparently06:43
jaegerbrian|lfs: to answer you question from much earlier, I have 3 VPSes with linode06:53
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u0_a95<3 Crux12:36
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john_cephalopodaWhy is /usr/man not allowed?13:12
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frinnstwe used to install there, /usr/share/man is the default with modern tools tho, so we stopped forcing to /usr/man13:16
john_cephalopodaAh, ok.13:18
fun_ryuo , Romster : check #1587 please13:24
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.3]: lzlib: updated to 1.1018:28
cruxbot[opt.git/3.4]: Merge branch '3.3' into 3.418:29
cruxbot[opt.git/3.4]: lzlib: updated to 1.1018:29
j_vfun_: would you consider adding code for checking the rpath against the /etc/revdep.d/*? i've made a revised patch of yours, so you can see what i'm thinking of: http://ix.io/FZG18:36
j_vit's not quite complete, since i was also looking to check the ld_so_conf paths as well18:38
j_vthat was why i removed the system paths from sys[] in systemPath()18:38
j_vhere's a patch that's revised to check the system directories set from ReadLdConf(): http://ix.io/G0a18:54
fun_Nice, j_v !19:14
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ryuofun_: ... and what problem are you trying to solve?19:36
ryuoit looks like you're adding some redundancy here.19:36
fun_Lol19:36
ryuofun_: i preseed the checking engine with /usr/lib and /lib19:38
fun_I'm not sure what I want to solve :)19:38
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ryuoThen... why are you wanting to patch revdep?19:38
joacimI'm sure someone is using google's image recognition software to solve google's captchas.19:38
ryuojoacim: didn't you know? the former pretends to not recognize the latter. it's the same reason baptists don't recognize each other in a liquor store. :)19:39
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fun_ryuo: some builds might have the work dirs in rpath. I thought it will be nice that prt-utils could catch these cases.19:41
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j_vi think the revdep patch is intend to find bogus rpath entries in binaries. perhaps another, simpler approach would be just to check if the any rpath entry resolves to a valid path19:42
ryuoI see. Why is that revdep's job? It's only intended to find "missing" dependencies.19:43
j_va point.19:43
j_vfun_: perhaps a new utility?19:44
ryuoIt sounds more appropriate to make a pkglint or so utility.19:44
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ryuoThough some advice; don't try this with shell. It'll probably just become as slow as the old revdep did.19:44
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ryuoNo... maybe19:45
ryuoportlint19:45
ryuolol19:45
ryuoAnyway, we could use a linter to find problems with the binary output of a port.19:45
ryuoLike, unexpected pathes.19:45
ryuoOr permissions.19:46
ryuoIt could be like Debian's lintian.19:46
ryuoYou're right though; RPATH shouldn't be used if it can be helped.19:46
j_vfun_: if you want to start such a thing, i'll help you with it... but you started the it, so it's your choice.19:46
ryuoLD_LIBRARY_PATH should be used instead if it's only a temporary measure.19:47
fun_j_v: go ahead. I don't want to hold you back.19:49
fun_You started this :)19:50
ryuofun_: did you originate from a Dilbert comic?19:50
fun_Who knows?19:51
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j_vwell, I only submitted the patch for imagemagick port (have one staged for subversion-perl, also). but i can host a git repo for it on my vps.19:53
fun_My shell script attempt is this : https://github.com/therealfun/crux-ports/blob/dev/pkgmk.conf/remove_invalid_rpaths.orig19:53
fun_I'm don't to go any further without answering ryuo's question.19:55
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fun_I don't want ...19:55
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j_vwhich one?  the dilbert one?19:55
fun_Hehe19:55
j_v;)19:56
fun_What do I want to solve...19:56
ryuoIt looked to me like the absence of a port linter.19:56
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fun_Build linter.19:57
fun_We have prtverify19:58
fun_as a port linter19:58
ryuoThen wouldn't it be more appropriate to detect this with that? unless doing deep inspections are beyond its scope.19:58
ryuoAlso, be sure to check RUNPATH too.19:59
ryuoSee man ld.so to see why.19:59
fun_revdep is already optimized for speed :)19:59
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j_vperhaps a tool that checks only the rpath... that could be binary, but then could add calling it from prtverify script...20:02
j_vcould also look at whether prtverify makes sense as a binary20:03
ryuoI somewhat wish we made more use of Perl... It's been part of core for years.20:03
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ryuoDo you hear there's a new Chinese line of water filters? I think they call them Brittle.20:11
j_vnice20:16
ryuoThat was a joke. lol20:16
ryuo"Brita"?20:16
j_vyep, got it... my 'nice' is like Carlin's observation of 'nice'20:17
ryuo"Brittle" -> "Fragile"20:17
ryuoD:20:17
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j_vsorry, bad analogy... more like sometimes cool, sometimes harhar... sometimes i'm at a loss for further expounding upon what was said so i'll say 'nice'20:21
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joacimi like how weechat obfuscates your password as you type it, but it shows up in plain text in the buffer anyways23:48
j_vi've had sasl connection setup for a while, so i haven't seen password stuff since i started using it23:52
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