IRC Logs for #crux Wednesday, 2018-03-28

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cruxbot[opt.git/3.3]: dovecot: update to 2.3.109:25
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jueq14:15
pedjaI think I broke Chrome. it won't open any https site :)14:32
pedjait would be nice if ld.so.conf.d had some way to set priorities for library directories14:38
pedjaah. apparently they are searched in alphabetical order.14:40
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pedja...but before standard ones...15:28
pedjaif I set ld library path in firefox wrapper, the binary works, but some of its libs complain15:29
pedjaif I add zfirefox.conf to ld.so.conf.d, they are happy, but chrome is using ff nss libs and breaks. err...15:30
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joacimwonder what the size statistics of massdrop users are15:45
joacimlooking at the discussion section of their belts, seems like many people use rather large belts15:45
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.3]: sxhkd: update to 0.5.9 release16:03
pedjajoacim, belts?16:17
pedjaah. for trousers?16:19
joacimyeah16:21
ryuojoacim: for all i know it coulda been a new startup.16:22
ryuohttp://tiffzhang.com/startup/16:23
pedja I associate massdrop with mech keyboards, so talk about belts got me confused for a bit :)16:23
ryuothis website never gets old.16:24
ryuohttp://tiffzhang.com/startup/index.html?s=73000800896716:24
ryuoROFL16:25
ryuohttp://tiffzhang.com/startup/index.html?s=74116494678016:25
joacimwhat's county16:25
joacimi clicked about16:25
joacimand it says fuck all16:25
ryuojoacim: it generates a random website.16:25
joacimah16:26
ryuoit's designed to make fun of startups.16:26
pedjanone of them mentions blockchain, which is a sure way to attract investors apparently16:29
pedja'machine learning blockchain containers'16:30
ryuoi make a chain of wooden blocks. D:16:30
pedjawoodchain[tm]16:31
ryuoi guess blockchain has become the latest corporate buzzword.16:33
ryuoi can't imagine why else it would produce such results.16:33
pedjaancient blockchain http://merringallery.com/cuneiform-tablet/16:39
pedjait's interesting that the ledger is one of the ideas humans keep coming back to16:43
pedjain various forms16:44
pedjablockcahin is an interesting take on a old idea. cryptocoin craze is modern gold rush :)16:47
joacimi think a lot of people here are still talking about their "project in the cloud"16:52
joacimstill not totally sure what that means. it kinda sounds like they're getting paid to load up a vm with windows server and screw around with it all day16:54
pedjausing AWS, Azure, whatever, seems to make sense for some projects, up to a point.16:57
joacimthe way they talk, it seems like it is supposed to be different from doing stuff with your own lab server16:59
joacimor workstation16:59
pedjafor classic compute, at least. GPU is way too expensive, even with current crazy GPU prices16:59
pedjait is different. someone else is managing the underlying system :)17:00
pedja'serverless' is one of the new-ish buzzwords I see people throw around17:01
Anselmoand that just means like. . . using other peoples servers, no  ?17:01
pedjayou don't care what's on the other side. you push a task/job, it gets done, you get the results back. magic :)17:03
Anselmohaha17:03
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pedjaat least that's the way I think AWS Lambda works ;)17:05
pedjathe problem is, how the fuck you debug it when it breaks?17:06
Anselmofile a help ticket and wait ?17:10
Anselmo:P17:10
pedjaheh17:10
pedjaa friend of mine is managing OpenStack instance at work. he has been debugging network issues with it for months now, with the help of HPE, who provided the hw/sw17:12
Anselmomm17:13
pedjahis ELK cluster keeps growing, to keep up with logs and shit17:14
Anselmohmm17:15
Anselmowhat quite is it being used for ?17:16
Anselmolike, lots of small projects or . . .17:16
pedjaWindows/Linux vm's and containers, afaik. various development projects, in pretty much all shapes and sizes17:18
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pedjathey are mostly a Windows shop, though17:19
pedjaembedded/Iot projects are Linux, iirc17:20
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pedjahis hair is a bit more gray every time I see him :)17:22
pedjahttps://www.anandtech.com/show/12567/hands-on-samsung-nf1-16-tb-ssds <--ideal build server for Rust/Firefox/Chromium17:24
pedja56 cores, 3Tb RAM. so, rust would compile in what, an hour, on it?17:26
abenzwow is rust that big?17:32
abenzI don't think I ever compiled it17:32
abenzwhat CPU do you have and how long does it take on it?17:32
pedjanot crazy enough to try :)17:38
pedjathat's a question for frinnst or jaeger, they both compiled it a few times17:39
joacimdo it17:40
pedjalend me your TR :)17:40
joacimwill have to wait until after easter17:40
joacimeverything is closed for a week now17:40
jaegerI'll time a build on the ISO system17:41
pedjaI had no idea that computing Easter date is this complex https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computus17:43
pedjaGregorian is on 1st of April, Julian on 8th17:44
j_vSeems interesting that Gauss created an algorithm for it, as well as all the other algo's for it. Strange that Christmas can simply be Dec 25, but Easter is so complicated.18:07
pedjamaybe because it's a pagan holiday that christian church embraced. allegedly.18:13
john_cephalopodaChristian church embraced various pagan holidays.18:16
j_vI've heard some about that, though I can't remember much in the way of details at the moment.18:16
john_cephalopodaIt's easier to have them celebrate for an other god than having them to stop celebrating.18:17
jaeger96m12s to build rust on the ISO build system19:51
jaegerwhich has 8c @ 2.40GHz19:52
j_vjaeger: do you set/export JOBS or MAKEFLAGS in pkgmk.conf?20:02
jaegerboth are set20:03
j_v$(nproc) ?20:04
jaegerJOBS to $(nproc) and MAKEFLAGS to "-j${JOBS}"20:04
j_vah, ok, so default -j will be -j 820:04
j_vjust curious20:04
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pedjaheh. pricey photogrammetry Windows software is using OpenCL, Linux ones that I've seen so far use cuda.21:43
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.3]: [notify] thunderbird: updated to 52.7.0.22:29
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