IRC Logs for #crux Saturday, 2018-04-14

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joacimryuo: it comes with its own lady to operate the switchboard06:04
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brian|lfsbit confused06:45
brian|lfsjust updated mys system there was an update to llvm06:45
brian|lfsI ran revdep and it didn't show anything broken but yet can't open any web browsers or skype06:45
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brian|lfshelo Romster06:55
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ryuohttps://imgur.com/r/computers/ksjJ807:59
ryuodo they honestly think people are this stupid?07:59
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joacimyeah data recovery is a scam =)07:59
ryuolmao.08:00
ryuoas if popping it in an optical drive is going to recover data.08:00
joacimi wanted to tell people to get an extra harddrive or something for backups08:00
joacimbut the store i worked in didnt let me. they rather sell data recovery services08:01
ryuowhat does that entail anyway? you usually can't full recover data on a trashed drive.08:01
ryuoif at all.08:01
joacimi honestly dont know08:02
joacimi guess they mostly recover what can be recovered from drives with fried electronics or had the head crash with a platter or something like that08:03
brian|lfsuusally my backup is multiple computers and drives08:03
brian|lfstoo much effort to backup to optical08:03
ryuooptical hasn't been practical in a long ass time.08:03
brian|lfslol08:03
brian|lfswell they have blu ray writers now08:04
brian|lfsbut data is so large now who wants to span multiple disks08:04
joacimyeah but then i have to get out of my chair and fetch a bluray08:04
joacimand label it so i can find it later08:04
ryuoit's easier just to use NAS that's backed by a RAID assembly.08:04
joacimi rather just get some more drives for another file server or something08:04
brian|lfsmy newest computer has n insanely large case but no where to drop an optical drive in it08:05
joacimmy case do have room for an optical drive08:05
joacimbut it is closed off behind the front panel08:05
ryuohas anyone gotten their hands on a device with the new raven ridge?08:05
brian|lfsso instead of refuinding me cybertron just gave me an external 16x blu ray burner the same price08:05
joacimwhich does not have the cutouts for it08:05
ryuoaka, Ryzen 3 22008, 5 2500u, or 7 2700u08:06
joacimi think they made the frame so they can recycle the design for another case with room for an optical drive08:06
ryuo2200U*08:06
joacimnah. its not something i would buy. what i would use that computer for would be served just as well by old parts i no longer use after an upgrade08:07
brian|lfsI have the phaNTEK ELITE EXTREME CASE08:07
brian|lfsnice case but not much room for drives with 4 radiators in it08:07
brian|lfsthey need enough room to have both worlds08:07
joacimi have their enthoo evolv atx08:07
ryuoACTION is background furnishings.08:08
joacimi wish their models without tempered glass didn't have windows at all08:08
brian|lfsnever did figure out what was causing my browsers and skype not to work08:08
joacimso hard to find nice cases without windows i think08:08
ryuoAre Dell Inspirons as crappy as people say?08:08
joacimnever used an inspiron. no comment08:08
brian|lfsended up reisntalling nvidia nvidia-32 gtk gtk3 nss xorg-server mesa3d and mesa3df-3208:08
brian|lfsand rebooting then I was fine08:09
joacimtho i have a video about inspirons08:09
ryuowell, they're one of the few that have a model based on AMD Ryzen mobile.08:09
brian|lfswell I'm water cooled so I think  a window is good better chance of knowing if you get a leak08:09
joacimlately, im more interested in business laptops, and other similar thin laptops08:10
ryuohttp://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-laptops/new-inspiron-15-5000/spd/inspiron-15-5575-laptop08:10
brian|lfsI thought Michael Dell said no more PCs a few yuears ago08:10
ryuojoacim: oh, you might love the AMD Ryzen things then. most of the laptops so far are *thin*.08:10
brian|lfswhat happened with that08:10
ryuohttps://www.amazon.com/Acer-Swift-Ryzen-Windows-SF315-41-R8PP/dp/B078BC1YL2/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1523693519&sr=8-4&keywords=ryzen+2500u08:11
joacimryuo: https://vimeo.com/37168265 - this is a dell inspiron ad08:11
joacimdont get bored and close it halfway through08:11
joacimthe good part isi n the end08:11
brian|lfsthis  is funny my friend showed me this today https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3iHV0NvLPI08:12
ryuojoacim: basically, Acer Swift 3, HP Envy x360, Lenovo Ideapad 720s08:13
joacimyeah saw that one. looked up the price for those 5500 boards recently. they got way expensive08:13
joacimused to be a time where i could get one for 50 dollars08:13
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ryuobrian|lfs: any thoughts on Dell though? the reviews tend to be terrible from what i've seen...08:18
ryuostrange. seems as if Dell's AMDs tend to average lower.08:22
joacimhow about elitebook? they've used amd apus in the past08:38
ryuojoacim: eh, they're still on bristol ridge.08:39
joacimoh08:39
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ryuono telling when they will finally release something that uses raven ridge.08:39
ryuorumors are that Lenovo is releasing thinkpad E series based on it by the end of April.08:40
ryuoprobably will wait on that.08:44
ryuoi get the impression they are comparable to HP ProBooks.08:44
ryuohttps://www3.lenovo.com/gb/en/laptops/thinkpad/edge-series/ThinkPad-E485/p/22TP2TEE48508:45
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.3]: wine: 3.5 -> 3.611:30
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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.3]: torsocks: 2.0.0 -> 2.2.0; new maintainer12:11
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pedjahttps://www.anandtech.com/show/12642/amd-ryzen-2nd-gen-details-4-skus-reviews-19th no 2800/2800x? interesting12:28
joacimno reason to have too many different 8 core ones maybe12:28
pedjasomething to do with a new XFR, but the details are under NDA until 19th12:30
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.3]: python3-chardet: fix file conflict with python-chardet12:31
joacimcoolers have certainly become a lot more bulky compared to the ones I used on my pentium and athlon xp systems12:32
joacimI had a 500g copper cooler for my athlon xp in the end, and that one was considered huge12:32
joacimcould fit a 80mm fan =)12:32
joacimi like that the gigabyte boards have actual heatsinks on the vrms. instead of big blobs of copper12:33
pedjaheh. it was fun to replace Intel box cooler with CM Hyper t412:40
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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.3]: python3-pycryptodome: 3.5.1 -> 3.6.012:55
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.3]: youtube-dl: 2018.03.10 -> 2018.04.0912:55
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.3]: cython: 0.27.3 -> 0.28.212:55
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.3]: lxml: 4.1.1 -> 4.2.112:55
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.3]: cssselect: 0.9.1 -> 1.0.312:56
onoderais danny in this chan13:02
onoderathe youtube-dl maintainer?13:02
onoderafor some reason I always get a footprint mismatch13:02
onoderaoh danny == romster it seems :p13:03
john_cephalopodaonodera: I am installing youtube-dl through pip. This gives me always the latest version, which is sometimes needed when there's an update of the youtube API or something.13:03
onoderajohn_cephalopoda: I don't really like installing things through third party package managers13:04
john_cephalopodaonodera: Ah, yeah, I can understand it.13:04
Romsteryes onodera13:07
Romsterwhat footprint error?13:08
onoderaRomster: https://hastebin.com/raw/aqenulipek13:11
onoderaseems like something goes wrong with the last find delete13:11
cruxbot[opt.git/3.3]: python3-six: update to get-pip.py13:15
cruxbot[opt.git/3.3]: python3-setuptools: update to get-pip.py13:15
cruxbot[opt.git/3.3]: python3-pyparsing: update to get-pip.py13:15
cruxbot[opt.git/3.3]: python3-packaging: update to get-pip.py13:15
cruxbot[opt.git/3.3]: python3-appdirs: update to get-pip.py13:15
cruxbot[opt.git/3.3]: python-six: update to get-pip.py13:15
cruxbot[opt.git/3.3]: python-setuptools: update to get-pip.py13:15
cruxbot[opt.git/3.3]: python-pyparsing: update to get-pip.py13:15
cruxbot[opt.git/3.3]: python-packaging: update to get-pip.py13:15
cruxbot[opt.git/3.3]: python-appdirs: update to get-pip.py13:15
cruxbot[opt.git/3.3]: python3-pip: 9.0.3 -> 10.0.013:15
cruxbot[opt.git/3.3]: python-pip: 9.0.3 -> 10.0.013:15
Romsteryou don't have python-setuptools installed onodera ?13:17
onoderaRomster: oh wow seems like i missed this dependency13:18
Romsteror was that because you don't have python-pip13:18
onoderaregardless it seems like python-setuptools is not strictly required for youtube-dl13:19
onoderasince I've been using it fine without13:19
Romsteryou might have setuptools and not python-setuptools python3-setuptools ?13:19
onoderaI have none of these installed13:19
Romsterhmm i'll try reverting youtube-dl to just use python13:20
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.3]: youtube-dl: changed dependency python-setuptools -> python13:24
Romsteronodera, my mistake i was meant to depend on python and you get new files in a directory if you got python-setuptools installed13:25
onoderaexcellent, it works nows13:25
Romsterthat find on the last line removes the file of the same directory if python-setuptools is not installed.13:25
Romsteri still derp13:25
Romsterthat was the logic behind that and i forgot the dependency13:26
Romsterignore new takes care of new files.13:26
Romsterthere is so much logic in this stuff13:26
cruxbot[opt.git/3.3]: nodejs: 8.10.0 -> 8.11.113:36
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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.3]: tor: 0.3.1.9 -> 0.3.2.10; new maintainer14:31
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john_cephalopodaCurrently so much stuff fails to build.17:28
cruxbot[opt.git/3.3]: gdk-pixbuf: add --without-libtiff17:45
frinnstlike  what?17:45
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john_cephalopodaVarious python things because some pip installer changed checksum and wasn't re-downloaded.18:02
john_cephalopodaThen some gstreamer stuff claimed to be already installed and had to be installed with -f.18:02
john_cephalopodamesa3d-32 and asciidoc also fail for me. (As well as 6c37's openimageio and blender.)18:02
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dbrookethe get-pip.py thing was a bit tricky as I have an NFS mounted PKGMK_SOURCE_DIR which is served back over http as PKGMK_SOURCE_MIRRORS so one download gets used by all ports on all systems, some of which may be expecting a different version18:14
brian|lfsok I see lot of updates on crux 3.4 today18:26
brian|lfsglad I'm going to start updating and take off18:26
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john_cephalopodaAny approximate release timeframe for 3.4 yet?18:42
ryuojohn_cephalopoda: sure. sometime between now and never.18:52
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pedjawhen it's done[tm]19:02
pedjablender was fun to package19:04
pedjagetting its cycles render engine to build with cuda support was a bit tricky19:06
pedjatbh, I am not looking forward to 3.4. building gcc6 so it can coexist with system gcc is not going to be fun on my potatoputer :)19:09
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pedjadamn my desire to play with resource hungry software on under powered machine, I guess19:11
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