IRC Logs for #crux Saturday, 2018-05-12

joacimi just scroll to the bottom and pretend nobody said anything00:00
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ryuojoacim's solution: just flush the toilet.02:11
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xcko_that tidbit on quoted here document names was interesting, I didn't know that05:49
ryuoxcko_: i frequently use it to make writing config files from a shell script easier.05:50
ryuoespecially when they don't need to vary.05:50
ryuoi use shell scripts to document how I configured a system.05:50
ryuoor set it up.05:50
xcko_yeah, exactly. definitely a good tip to know05:53
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SitriWhat bit about document names?07:29
ryuoxcko_: quoting them.07:29
ryuoSitri: ^07:30
SitriI always just use here-documents as templates07:31
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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.3]: dokuwiki: 2017-02-19b -> 2018-04-22a09:18
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.3]: lighttpd: 1.4.48 -> 1.4.4909:20
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.3]: openvpn: 2.4.4 -> 2.4.609:27
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.3]: postgresql: 10.3 -> 10.409:29
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.3]: open-iscsi: 2.0.874 -> 2.0.87609:42
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.3]: tig: 2.3.2 -> 2.3.309:44
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.3]: redis: 4.0.2 -> 4.0.909:50
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.3]: libseccomp: 2.3.2 -> 2.3.309:51
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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.3]: vlc: 2.2.6 -> 3.0.209:59
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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.3]: openvswitch: 2.7.0 -> 2.9.010:06
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.3]: freeciv: 2.5.6 -> 2.5.1110:07
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.3]: fuse3: update to 3.2.311:11
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frinnstSyfy has canceled The Expanse12:26
frinnstisnt that lovely?12:26
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Romsterhrmmm why is my work network so shit12:28
Romsterit's got the highest speeds and lowest latency12:28
frinnst"Disconnected by services" suggests freenode is dropping you12:29
frinnstsame auth account used on both sessions?12:29
frinnstprobably a freenode no-no12:29
Romsterand it's a different username of course. nick grouping.12:29
Romstermore than one username on the same account12:30
Romster/ns help group12:30
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Romsterit is a thing. and it's been fine for a very long time.12:31
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joacimnever trust syfy. everything decent they cancel13:20
joacimanything you're currently watching that is13:20
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john_cephalopodaNothing can run forever.14:37
john_cephalopodaAt least syfy makes a decent amount of seasons of a series before cancelling it.14:38
john_cephalopodaUnlike Fox who cancelled Firefly and didn't even broadcast all 13 episodes.14:39
john_cephalopoda(14 with the pilot)14:40
Romsterwhat does the fox say.... canclled.14:40
john_cephalopodaHmm, are there any crowdfunded TV series?14:48
john_cephalopodaWith actors, not animated.14:49
joacimthey never let a show run its course14:53
joacimit just gets canceled on a cliffhanger14:53
joacimdark matter was planned out. and gave a lot of the same feelings i had when watching b5 with early episodes referencing events that will happen later14:54
joacimand later episodes referencing back to earlier episodes14:54
joacimbut nope. ends on a cliffhanger because canceled14:54
joacimstargate universe too, and now the expanse. have yet to see season 3, but i hope it provides a decent ending at least14:56
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john_cephalopodaA sci-fi webseries would be cool.15:14
john_cephalopodaA little like the netflix originals.15:14
john_cephalopodaLike Stranger Things (although it's not that great)15:15
john_cephalopodaAnd it wasn't really sci-fi.15:15
ryuoLike Star Gate Origins? lol15:15
john_cephalopodaOh, that was a web series.15:18
john_cephalopodaBut not crowdfunded, I guess.15:24
john_cephalopodaOh, right, there was "Pioneer One", but it wasn't that much fun.15:26
joacimwhat was the show with amanda tapping in it15:26
joacimthe one with werewolves and such15:26
joacimi think that started as a web series15:26
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ryuoi swear, it seems like the average consumer laptop is made to be more disposable but the average business laptop is made to be more serviceable.15:29
john_cephalopodaI had a Dell Inspiron 17 for years. It was pretty much plastic and clips. I actually once removed all screws and it still held together just fine.15:35
john_cephalopodaNow got a Dell Latitude 5xxx, everything has screws. Not hard to take apart.15:36
ryuojohn_cephalopoda: i almost never see used consumer laptops except on ebay. my guess is i only see business stuff on newegg because those are bought differently.15:38
ryuoat least when it comes to *really* old refurbished.15:38
ryuobusinesses acquire and dispose of equipment in batches.15:39
ryuounlike individuals that buy singles.15:39
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joacimryuo: thats what i love about some of those older elitebooks. the entire bottom cover comes off by pushing on a lever15:59
joacimconsumer laptops feel so flimsy too. like the entire thing bends when i try to pick it up16:00
joacimlove how solid my t420 feels. even has the proper thinkpad cow manure smell16:00
ryuojoacim: what about more recent elitebooks?16:09
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joacimnever touched those16:17
joacimi dont know16:17
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SiFuhToshiba Tecra 510CDT ;-)17:37
SiFuhI want to map(?) a key to an actual command. So lets say  keycode 115 -> xterm    any suggestions?17:40
SiFuhI remember years ago, I had an old IBM thinkpad R50 and I configured it so that when I pressed the 'Access IBM' button it would launch rxvt.17:43
jaegerwould depend on your WM/DE, I think17:47
SiFuhI am pretty sure I used it with X1117:47
SiFuhWas independent of the Window Manger and Desktop De-environment17:48
jaegerxbindkeys, maybe?17:48
john_cephalopodaSiFuh: maybe17:49
SiFuhI think so, and if so, can't remember how I did it. I might have to open the old OpenBSD encrypted images to see if I can find evidence of the original configuration.17:49
SiFuhjohn_cephalopoda: not that sorry17:52
SiFuhI bet it is xbindkeys I used17:54
SiFuhjaeger: that's it17:57
SiFuhThanks a lot. Now time to right a screen rotation script to go with that switch ;-)17:58
SiFuhso run   `xbindkeys -k`  then press the button/switch  copy the results to .xbindkeysrc, then replace Scheme Function with the command. Save it and run the command xbindkeys and press the button/switch and it launched the command18:00
SiFuhjaeger: got it ;-) thanks again18:06
SiFuhI installed OpenBSD to a Gigabyte S10m and pretty much everything works. xvkbd as the virtual keyboard. xbindkeys to help rotate screen. Works good18:07
jaegerinteresting device18:12
SiFuhit is. Wanted to to try it 5 years ago, but I wasn't paying 600$ for it.18:13
SiFuhgot it brand new last week for $130. Did not expect OpenBSD to work as well as it does. Was willing to save the windows M.2 card and sell it if it did not work. Windows is gone now because it works! I even lost sleep the first night just thinking how well it works18:14
SiFuhOnly thing now is to test the sim slot. Apart from that all is great18:15
ryuohow is this interesting? it seems to be ancient.18:16
SiFuhI am dissapointed that I have not found a way to start xvkbd in icon/minimized mode yet18:16
SiFuhryuo, openbsd on a tablet/slate18:16
ryuothere's a place still selling these?18:17
SiFuhi bought mine on ebay18:17
SiFuhthe dude had 22 in stock. When I purchased mine for 130 the day after the price went up to 150  AUD18:17
SiFuhryuo: because of the ancient graphics display conky kind of sucks. Flickers too much. I will probably use Conky only for the battery life18:19
ryuoi take it KDE or GNOME isn't an option?18:19
ryuothose are supposedly able to handle tablets...18:20
SiFuh4GB of ram Duo core. M.2 SSD    gnome will run easily18:20
ryuowith ease18:20
ryuoi'm not a fan of KDE anymore, mostly because of stability issues.18:20
SiFuhKDE not sure, haven't tried it since 2001 with the exception of fly-dm on the Russian Distro Astra Linux18:20
ryuoi used to love their software.18:20
ryuoKDE5... i tend to get crashes a lot. maybe it's just my old HW though.18:21
SiFuhI hated KDE so much I went to E16, then hated the memory usage and went to fluxbox ;-) never changed since.18:21
ryuoKDE has become more fragile with regards to HW/drivers.18:21
ryuoit's just weird, though some of it is thanks to QT bugs.18:22
SiFuhfly-dm is KDE/QT  It is quite ugly but super stable.18:22
ryuoi see.18:23
ryuoso you live in Russia then?18:24
SiFuhI lived in Kyrgyzstan twice Only set foot in the former soviet countries but never set foot in Russia18:24
SiFuhcan't speak Russian either. Can read it though.. Don't know what I am reading18:25
ryuomedia here has been crazy about Russia hacking. at this point i think they've hacked the media since they can't shut up about it.18:25
SiFuhUS/UK/IL just love wars18:26
SiFuheverything is inverted18:26
john_cephalopoda"Xaxa, Boris, what if we hack teleprompters of US media and let them talk stupid things?" - "Dmitri, that's a great idea!"18:27
SiFuhSmart Phone, Smart Meter, Smart TV, Smart State... Smart = oppressive18:27
john_cephalopodaSiFuh: No, it's the evil Soviets that start all the wars! And Iran! :þ18:28
SiFuhLet's get rid of fake news, because if it is not government sponsored lies, it MUST be fake ;-)18:28
SiFuhjohn_cephalopoda: haha yes
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john_cephalopodaMy system just froze while watching that parody about Russia.18:34
SiFuhhaha bloody Russians18:34
john_cephalopodaKernel logs say "May 12 20:33:11 metis kernel: [132780.567159] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: fifo: engine 0: scheduled for recovery".18:34
SiFuhnouveau? eww18:34
john_cephalopoda"Nouveau" is a word from the language of a world war enemy of Germany, and I'm pretty sure it's Russia.18:34
john_cephalopodaDamn Russian hackers!18:35
SiFuhever since I was a kid18:35
john_cephalopodaOk, my compuuter might freeze again when this problem is reproducible.18:36
SiFuhThe Russians, the Iranians, the Czechs, The pollutants, Iraq, Terrorists, ..... never stops18:36
john_cephalopodaThere has to be an enemy.18:37
john_cephalopodaThe good ones on one side, the bad ones on the other side.18:37
SiFuhyeah US18:37
SiFuhIL and UK18:37
SiFuhShame on me... Mother is from UK and father from US18:37
john_cephalopodaWhen you want to have resources and you want to take them with force, the land they are in coincidentally has weapons of mass destruction.18:37
SiFuhand I was born in a country of idiots :-(18:37
SiFuhjohn_cephalopoda: if you want a central(world) bank, and a country does not. Then you disguise it by resources, distract it by terrorists. ;-)18:38
john_cephalopodaI don't get why people can't just think and work together.18:39
SiFuhjohn_cephalopoda: this may crash your computer because R=Russia18:40
john_cephalopodaEspecially long-term thinking seems to be very rare.18:40
john_cephalopoda"Let's sell all our middle-class companies to China! We will get a lot of money from it!"18:42
john_cephalopodaIn the long term, all our knowledge goes to China, and knowledge is the only real thing of value here.18:43
SiFuhI think we should sell the Monopoly the Federal Reserve, and the governments to China ;-)18:44
SiFuhI lived in a china a few years, great country.18:45
john_cephalopodaAre you sure they aren't sold yet?18:45
SiFuhno one collective group of people own the gov/fed18:45
john_cephalopodaProbably, else they would actually make coherent decisions :þ18:46
SiFuhI am so impressed by jaeger's two line solution to my curious problem, I am going to find a beer ;-)18:46
SiFuhjohn_cephalopoda: they are actually super smart, just hidden from us18:46
john_cephalopodaSiFuh: I doubt it.19:33
john_cephalopodaIt's out?19:33
jaegerIndeed. :)19:35
john_cephalopodaHuh, the server marked as (Master) isn't at 3.4 yet.19:38
frinnsttorrent works in the meantime19:39
jaegertorrent is up, http/ftp/rsync mirrors will take a bit longer to update19:39
john_cephalopodaGot no torrenting software, never used torrents before.19:39
jaegerthe master upload is in progress but I'm also seeding the torrent so it's a bit slow :)19:39
crash_nice a new release19:43
frinnstsilly whitespaces19:45
joacim77.25 ratio on the crux-3.3 torrent so far19:56
joacim43 GB uploaded19:57
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joacimfrinnst: do you host from home?19:59
cruxbot[opt.git/3.4]: Merge branch '3.3' into 3.420:08
cruxbot[opt.git/3.4]: fuse3: update to 3.2.320:08
cruxbot[opt.git/3.4]: libidn: updated to 1.3520:08
cruxbot[opt.git/3.4]: firefox: fixed signature20:08
cruxbot[opt.git/3.4]: nss: updated to 3.3720:08
cruxbot[opt.git/3.4]: firefox: updated to 52.8.0esr20:08
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.4]: Merge branch '3.3' into 3.420:16
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.4]: freeciv: 2.5.6 -> 2.5.1120:16
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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.4]: postgresql: 10.3 -> 10.420:16
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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.4]: lighttpd: 1.4.48 -> 1.4.4920:16
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.4]: dokuwiki: 2017-02-19b -> 2018-04-22a20:16
onoderacongrats :)20:21
frinnstjoacim: yeah20:22
joacimi guess your upload is quite a bit faster than mine20:26
frinnstgbit :>20:26
ryuostarted a redesign, but it'll be awhile before it's remotely ready.21:14
ryuogoing to try to make as much configurable at runtime as i can. ;)21:15
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SitriWhat's the aim of the redesign?  Any user-facing benefits?21:54
ryuoSitri: uh, yes, but not to the typical user i imagine. though it may be possible to do more.22:01
ryuoSitri: the idea is to make pkgutils library oriented so it can be used from scripting languages.22:01
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ryuoso you could conceivably work with it from something like Python, Perl, Tcl, ...22:02
ryuoinstead of having to rely on the CLI tools.22:02
ryuosome people really like to do unusual stuff with CRUX, so i was thinking making the core tools into a library could allow for other frontends or other use cases.22:03
ryuoi just came with an idea to simplify managing the configuration struct...22:04
ryuoold trick i learned about.22:04
ryuofirst goal is just to transition existing functionality into a new shell that should be invisible to current users.22:07
ryuointeresting. _Generic is quite useful.22:12
SitriThat'd be kind of cool22:13
ryuoas well as more tweakable.22:13
ryuosome users would like to disable integrity checks for certain use cases.22:13
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ryuofun... i wrote my first foreach macro for static arrays.23:15
ryuougly, but it gets the job done and helps cut down on repetitive code.23:15
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