IRC Logs for #crux Sunday, 2018-05-13

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cruxbot[opt.git/3.4]: Merge branch '3.3' into 3.408:10
cruxbot[opt.git/3.4]: libsoup: 2.62.0 -> 2.62.208:10
cruxbot[opt.git/3.3]: libsoup: 2.62.0 -> 2.62.208:12
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.4]: p5-uri: perl 5.26 footprint update09:06
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john_cephalopoda3.4 now.10:47
onoderainstalling today :)10:47
onoderagonna try runnign bcachefs10:48
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cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.3]: libidn-32: 1.34 -> 1.3513:27
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.3]: libdrm-32: 2.4.91 -> 2.4.9213:27
ryuoonodera: bcachefs? better cash out. :P13:28
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cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.4]: Merge branch '3.3' into 3.413:29
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.4]: libidn-32: 1.34 -> 1.3513:29
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.4]: libdrm-32: 2.4.91 -> 2.4.9213:29
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.4]: nvidia-sl-32: 387.34 -> 396.2414:05
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ryuoi once saw a meme that had the title... "the importance of delaying execution of vocal commands"16:27
ryuoit was a picture of the S.S. enterprise exploding after JLP only finished part of the command, "Computer initiate self destruct..."16:27
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onoderadoes anyone else have this problem: Nvidia dropped support for geforce 500 series in their newest (-sl) drivers17:01
onoderahowever the new xorg (1.20?) requires this driver17:02
joacimryuo: thats how i think when i talk to some people. they hear half the sentence, and get mad at me for saying something when they didnt even let me finish17:04
joacimend up sounding like yoda, they get annoyed by that too, but at least they understood my point =)17:05
frinnstusing nvidia hardware sounds like a joy17:05
onoderahmm it's saying the still should support 64bit17:06
ryuojoacim: yoda you are not. joacim you are.17:06
joacimfrinnst: and gamers think im stupid for buying amd graphics cards...17:07
onoderai want an amd :(17:09
ryuojoacim: since when did power users take advice on their PC hardware from gamers?17:09
onoderafree drivers17:09
ryuogamers don't understand much beyond raw HW performance from what i can tell.17:09
onoderajaeger: what does --no-compat32 do in the nvidia port17:09
onoderathe arch nvidia PKGBUILD dropped this --no-compat32 prefix in 390.48 -> 396.2417:10
joacimthe niceness of a system matters a lot to me17:21
jaegerthe xorg server 1.20 ABI is brand new, nvidia will update their drivers for it soon, probably17:21
joacimrather have something slower, but nice to use17:21
jaegerThat's the usual pattern, at least17:21
jaegeryou may be screwed for the 500 series card, though17:22
jaegerpretty old at this point17:22
onoderaalright I'll be buying and amd17:22
onoderaanyone using amdgpu here?17:22
jaegeronodera: it ignores the 32-bit components when extracting/installing - which is probably not needed anymore since they're dropping 32bit packages17:22
joacim500 series doesnt seem that old to me.17:23
joacimonodera: i use amdgpu with my rx 55017:23
joacimworks ok. only really tested it with idtech3 games and minecraft17:23
jaegerIt's 8 years old now17:23
jaegerwhich in terms of computer tech is pretty old17:23
joacimthats like brand new17:23
jaegerIn terms of usability, perhaps17:24
joacimif it is overpriced on ebay, then it is too old17:24
joacimfor some reason, some cards are really expensive for no good reason. like the fx 5900 ultra17:24
ryuoonodera: what frinnst said is correct, but nvidia is very slow to update their legacy drivers.17:26
jaegeronodera: that was worded strangely, perhaps I should have said the 32-bit components aren't packaged in that one, not that they're skipped when extracting17:26
ryuoerr jaeger17:26
ryuoyou ops all look the same :-P17:26
jaegerI'd kinda like to buy a current AMD GPU for my ryzen box but haven't been willing to pay the ridiculous prices17:28
ryuoAMD A285/A485 thinkpads have already received product pages on lenovo's website but the E485/E585 hasn't.17:28
jaegeronodera: have you tried nouveau? I don't know how well it performs with the 500-series cards but it's easy to use, at least17:33
ryuoaccording to the chart, 500 series should work.17:36
ryuobut SLI/power management isn't supported.17:37
ryuobut generally nouveau is the worst of the 3 open source drivers.17:38
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.3]: scribus: 1.4.6 -> 1.4.717:41
onoderahow is this rx 550 joacim17:42
onoderaim looking into the 560 rn17:42
onoderai'll try out nouveau for now :)17:44
ryuoonodera: yea... don't buy an AMD just for this.17:44
onoderaI mean I've been wanting to try amdgpu for a while now17:45
onoderaI tried out nouveau a while ago but my video player lags with it17:46
onodera(I use all kind of fancy filters, lol)17:46
ryuoonodera: me too, if i buy an AMD laptop this year.17:46
ryuoi'm clueless about desktop card quality, but here's one option:17:47
ryuothough, Vega is the best choice if you want the latest features like VP.9 hardware decoding.17:49
ryuounless you already use Intel GPU for that?17:49
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joacimoh. left before i could respond :(18:12
joacimi should pay attention to irc more18:13
joacimdont notice the notifications18:13
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joacimonodera: the rx 550 works for what I use it for. havent seen any glitches since the first few months of having it18:13
joacimfor performance, it is good enough for simple or old games18:13
joacimi would like an rx 570 tho. more displayport outputs18:14
joacimbut i dont care enough to spend the extra money18:14
onoderaI just launced nouvoeu, works pretty good so far18:16
onoderaill check it out joacim18:17
joacimi assume the drivers and firmware blobs works as well on other polaris cards too18:19
joacimhavent tested amdgpu with my fury or 290 yet18:20
onoderawhy did all these xorg proto packages get removed18:56
onoderawhat did they even do18:56
ryuoonodera: headers.18:57
ryuoonodera: largely...18:57
ryuoonodera: i think it's networking related.18:58
brian|lfswhat model video card you using nouveau on19:05
brian|lfsI'm sure it don't work with SLI lol19:05
onoderaim using a gtx 57019:07
onoderai think im only using free software now19:09
onoderanow that I dumped the nvidia driver19:10
ryuoThat was the sound of one toilet flushing.19:16
brian|lfs570 lojl19:39
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brian|lfswell I know the old cards work don't think the new ones work for shit19:39
brian|lfsI have dual 1080tis19:39
onoderadoes 3.4 firefox still use esr?19:41
onoderaor will it follow the normal releases from now on?19:41
frinnstdepends on rust19:46
frinnstthats why the iso is crazy big :/19:46
frinnstthere is also a firefox-pa port if you are so inclined19:47
frinnstalsa works with 60.0 but who knows for 61, 62 etc?19:47
onoderathey still seem to "support" it19:47
joacimpretty lame how complicated firefox got19:47
onoderafor example also broke one release but the fixed it the next minor release19:47
onoderaa while back19:48
john_cephalopodajoacim: Got to be complex when you want to support the whole bunch of web standards.20:03
joacimtalking about the desktop side20:11
joacimwith alsa/pa20:11
ryuoHow many web standards does it take to change a lightbulb?20:53
ryuoWho knows? They haven't invented one yet, but they'll get around to it in about 5 years.20:53
joacimuntil then you get -moz and -webkit tags for css20:55
ryuoReminds me of the teacup HTTP response.20:57
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john_cephalopodaryuo: There are actually protocols for turning on and off smart lightbulbs.21:23
john_cephalopodaLike, industry standards.21:23
ryuojohn_cephalopoda: SMRT lightbulbs ya mean? =p21:27
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chinarulezzzHello all,22:20
chinarulezzzAre there some pitfalls if I upgrade to 3.4 via prt-get?22:21
ryuochinarulezzz: yep. it's heavily booby-trapped. :P22:21
ryuono idea though. wait for a more serious answer.22:22
chinarulezzzI have no patience to upgrade in the chroot environment, and then to upgrade the workstation.22:25
chinarulezzzMaybe someone has already gone this way.22:26
frinnstyes, shit will break22:28
frinnstlibmpfr breaks abi. ergo no working compiler22:28
frinnstmake sure you have the binary packages of core available atleast22:29
chinarulezzzOk, thank you. At first, I will upgrade the binary packages and will recompile them after that.22:35
john_cephalopodachinarulezzz: I have upgraded it, updating all packages from binary. I didn't have problems.22:44
john_cephalopodaSome broken dependencies, as always, but else it worked.22:44
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