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| john_cephalopoda | 3.4 now. | 10:47 |
| onodera | installing today :) | 10:47 |
| onodera | gonna try runnign bcachefs | 10:48 |
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| ryuo | onodera: bcachefs? better cash out. :P | 13:28 |
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| ryuo | i once saw a meme that had the title... "the importance of delaying execution of vocal commands" | 16:27 |
| ryuo | it was a picture of the S.S. enterprise exploding after JLP only finished part of the command, "Computer initiate self destruct..." | 16:27 |
| ryuo | lol | 16:28 |
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| onodera | hi | 17:01 |
| onodera | does anyone else have this problem: Nvidia dropped support for geforce 500 series in their newest (-sl) drivers | 17:01 |
| onodera | however the new xorg (1.20?) requires this driver | 17:02 |
| joacim | ryuo: thats how i think when i talk to some people. they hear half the sentence, and get mad at me for saying something when they didnt even let me finish | 17:04 |
| joacim | end up sounding like yoda, they get annoyed by that too, but at least they understood my point =) | 17:05 |
| frinnst | using nvidia hardware sounds like a joy | 17:05 |
| onodera | hmm it's saying the still should support 64bit | 17:06 |
| onodera | weird | 17:06 |
| ryuo | joacim: yoda you are not. joacim you are. | 17:06 |
| joacim | frinnst: and gamers think im stupid for buying amd graphics cards... | 17:07 |
| onodera | i want an amd :( | 17:09 |
| ryuo | joacim: since when did power users take advice on their PC hardware from gamers? | 17:09 |
| onodera | free drivers | 17:09 |
| ryuo | gamers don't understand much beyond raw HW performance from what i can tell. | 17:09 |
| onodera | jaeger: what does --no-compat32 do in the nvidia port | 17:09 |
| onodera | the arch nvidia PKGBUILD dropped this --no-compat32 prefix in 390.48 -> 396.24 | 17:10 |
| joacim | the niceness of a system matters a lot to me | 17:21 |
| jaeger | the xorg server 1.20 ABI is brand new, nvidia will update their drivers for it soon, probably | 17:21 |
| joacim | rather have something slower, but nice to use | 17:21 |
| jaeger | That's the usual pattern, at least | 17:21 |
| jaeger | you may be screwed for the 500 series card, though | 17:22 |
| jaeger | pretty old at this point | 17:22 |
| onodera | alright I'll be buying and amd | 17:22 |
| onodera | anyone using amdgpu here? | 17:22 |
| jaeger | onodera: it ignores the 32-bit components when extracting/installing - which is probably not needed anymore since they're dropping 32bit packages | 17:22 |
| joacim | 500 series doesnt seem that old to me. | 17:23 |
| joacim | onodera: i use amdgpu with my rx 550 | 17:23 |
| joacim | works ok. only really tested it with idtech3 games and minecraft | 17:23 |
| jaeger | It's 8 years old now | 17:23 |
| jaeger | which in terms of computer tech is pretty old | 17:23 |
| joacim | thats like brand new | 17:23 |
| jaeger | In terms of usability, perhaps | 17:24 |
| joacim | if it is overpriced on ebay, then it is too old | 17:24 |
| joacim | for some reason, some cards are really expensive for no good reason. like the fx 5900 ultra | 17:24 |
| ryuo | onodera: what frinnst said is correct, but nvidia is very slow to update their legacy drivers. | 17:26 |
| jaeger | onodera: that was worded strangely, perhaps I should have said the 32-bit components aren't packaged in that one, not that they're skipped when extracting | 17:26 |
| ryuo | err jaeger | 17:26 |
| ryuo | sorry | 17:26 |
| ryuo | you ops all look the same :-P | 17:26 |
| jaeger | :P | 17:26 |
| ryuo | interesting. | 17:27 |
| jaeger | I'd kinda like to buy a current AMD GPU for my ryzen box but haven't been willing to pay the ridiculous prices | 17:28 |
| ryuo | AMD A285/A485 thinkpads have already received product pages on lenovo's website but the E485/E585 hasn't. | 17:28 |
| ryuo | https://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-a-series/c/thinkpada | 17:29 |
| jaeger | onodera: have you tried nouveau? I don't know how well it performs with the 500-series cards but it's easy to use, at least | 17:33 |
| ryuo | according to the chart, 500 series should work. | 17:36 |
| ryuo | but SLI/power management isn't supported. | 17:37 |
| ryuo | https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/CodeNames/ | 17:37 |
| ryuo | NVC0 | 17:37 |
| ryuo | https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/FeatureMatrix/ | 17:37 |
| ryuo | but generally nouveau is the worst of the 3 open source drivers. | 17:38 |
| cruxbot | [contrib.git/3.3]: scribus: 1.4.6 -> 1.4.7 | 17:41 |
| onodera | how is this rx 550 joacim | 17:42 |
| onodera | im looking into the 560 rn | 17:42 |
| onodera | i'll try out nouveau for now :) | 17:44 |
| ryuo | onodera: yea... don't buy an AMD just for this. | 17:44 |
| onodera | I mean I've been wanting to try amdgpu for a while now | 17:45 |
| onodera | I tried out nouveau a while ago but my video player lags with it | 17:46 |
| onodera | (I use all kind of fancy filters, lol) | 17:46 |
| ryuo | onodera: me too, if i buy an AMD laptop this year. | 17:46 |
| ryuo | i'm clueless about desktop card quality, but here's one option: | 17:47 |
| ryuo | https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125841 | 17:47 |
| ryuo | though, Vega is the best choice if you want the latest features like VP.9 hardware decoding. | 17:49 |
| ryuo | unless you already use Intel GPU for that? | 17:49 |
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| ryuo | http://assets.amuniversal.com/ccd106d09f79012f2fe600163e41dd5b | 18:12 |
| joacim | oh. left before i could respond :( | 18:12 |
| joacim | i should pay attention to irc more | 18:13 |
| joacim | dont notice the notifications | 18:13 |
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| joacim | onodera: the rx 550 works for what I use it for. havent seen any glitches since the first few months of having it | 18:13 |
| joacim | for performance, it is good enough for simple or old games | 18:13 |
| joacim | i would like an rx 570 tho. more displayport outputs | 18:14 |
| joacim | but i dont care enough to spend the extra money | 18:14 |
| onodera | I just launced nouvoeu, works pretty good so far | 18:16 |
| onodera | ill check it out joacim | 18:17 |
| joacim | i assume the drivers and firmware blobs works as well on other polaris cards too | 18:19 |
| joacim | havent tested amdgpu with my fury or 290 yet | 18:20 |
| onodera | why did all these xorg proto packages get removed | 18:56 |
| onodera | what did they even do | 18:56 |
| ryuo | onodera: headers. | 18:57 |
| ryuo | onodera: largely... | 18:57 |
| ryuo | onodera: i think it's networking related. | 18:58 |
| onodera | ah | 18:59 |
| brian|lfs | what model video card you using nouveau on | 19:05 |
| brian|lfs | I'm sure it don't work with SLI lol | 19:05 |
| onodera | im using a gtx 570 | 19:07 |
| onodera | i think im only using free software now | 19:09 |
| onodera | now that I dumped the nvidia driver | 19:10 |
| ryuo | That was the sound of one toilet flushing. | 19:16 |
| brian|lfs | 570 lojl | 19:39 |
| brian|lfs | lol | 19:39 |
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| brian|lfs | well I know the old cards work don't think the new ones work for shit | 19:39 |
| brian|lfs | I have dual 1080tis | 19:39 |
| onodera | does 3.4 firefox still use esr? | 19:41 |
| onodera | or will it follow the normal releases from now on? | 19:41 |
| frinnst | 60.0 | 19:46 |
| frinnst | depends on rust | 19:46 |
| frinnst | thats why the iso is crazy big :/ | 19:46 |
| frinnst | there is also a firefox-pa port if you are so inclined | 19:47 |
| frinnst | alsa works with 60.0 but who knows for 61, 62 etc? | 19:47 |
| onodera | they still seem to "support" it | 19:47 |
| joacim | pretty lame how complicated firefox got | 19:47 |
| onodera | for example also broke one release but the fixed it the next minor release | 19:47 |
| onodera | a while back | 19:48 |
| john_cephalopoda | joacim: Got to be complex when you want to support the whole bunch of web standards. | 20:03 |
| joacim | talking about the desktop side | 20:11 |
| joacim | with alsa/pa | 20:11 |
| joacim | rust | 20:11 |
| ryuo | How many web standards does it take to change a lightbulb? | 20:53 |
| ryuo | Who knows? They haven't invented one yet, but they'll get around to it in about 5 years. | 20:53 |
| joacim | until then you get -moz and -webkit tags for css | 20:55 |
| ryuo | Reminds me of the teacup HTTP response. | 20:57 |
| ryuo | teapot* | 20:57 |
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| john_cephalopoda | ryuo: There are actually protocols for turning on and off smart lightbulbs. | 21:23 |
| john_cephalopoda | Like, industry standards. | 21:23 |
| ryuo | john_cephalopoda: SMRT lightbulbs ya mean? =p | 21:27 |
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| chinarulezzz | Hello all, | 22:20 |
| chinarulezzz | Are there some pitfalls if I upgrade to 3.4 via prt-get? | 22:21 |
| ryuo | chinarulezzz: yep. it's heavily booby-trapped. :P | 22:21 |
| ryuo | no idea though. wait for a more serious answer. | 22:22 |
| chinarulezzz | :) | 22:22 |
| chinarulezzz | I have no patience to upgrade in the chroot environment, and then to upgrade the workstation. | 22:25 |
| chinarulezzz | Maybe someone has already gone this way. | 22:26 |
| frinnst | yes, shit will break | 22:28 |
| frinnst | libmpfr breaks abi. ergo no working compiler | 22:28 |
| frinnst | make sure you have the binary packages of core available atleast | 22:29 |
| chinarulezzz | Ok, thank you. At first, I will upgrade the binary packages and will recompile them after that. | 22:35 |
| john_cephalopoda | chinarulezzz: I have upgraded it, updating all packages from binary. I didn't have problems. | 22:44 |
| john_cephalopoda | Some broken dependencies, as always, but else it worked. | 22:44 |
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