IRC Logs for #crux Saturday, 2018-07-28

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MNKyDethJust wanted to quickly stop in. Unexpected guests tonight jaeger. Ill prolly be in tomorrow after i try a couple more things on my end.02:28
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cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.4]: llvm-32: 6.0.0 -> 6.0.104:37
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.4]: [notify] llvm: 6.0.0 -> 6.0.1 new dependency: ninja04:44
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.4]: mysql: update to 5.7.2307:43
cruxbot[core.git/3.4]: man-db: update to 2.8.407:45
cruxbot[core.git/3.4]: file: update to 5.3407:45
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pedjafrinnst, iirc, you are an Amiga fan :)
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frinnstcome ooooon start raining already13:32
frinnstinstead of just thunder bangs13:32
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pedjait's been teasing rain for couple of days now. nice foreplay, weather13:34
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pedjathe weather service says 'moderate/heavy rain' should be happening right about now, but I don't see any. lies, I tell you, lies13:37
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pedjamaybe I should try using my rainstick13:42
pedjaqgis build using ninja was faster then using make last time I checked13:49
pedjaI wonder if that's also true for llvm13:49
frinnstcouple of drops of rain right now13:49
pedjaenough to fill a teaspoon?13:50
frinnstlots of monitoring alerts from sites around town going down/up13:50
frinnstyeah pretty much13:50
pedjahow's the fire situation in Sweden, frinnst? under control by now?13:50
frinnstLASTXFER : Unacceptable line voltage changes13:51
frinnstyeah more or less I think13:51
frinnstfor the moment atleast. Im sure the thunderstorms will start up a few more13:51
frinnstnot like in greece at all13:51
pedjaheh. few of my friens went there on vacation recently. that should be an interesting experience13:52
frinnstyeah not what i would call a "calm vacation"13:52
pedjatbh, I never understood sunbathing. exposing to the Sun voluntarily and for extended periods of time to get a tan? wth is that about13:57
pedjaI get the vitamin D aspect, but that doesn't require extremes like *that*13:58
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pedjainteresting cultural shift. once upon a time, tan was the sign of plebs :)14:00
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joacimi have a heat wave too. been 20-30C for a couple of days now14:09
joacimright now it is 31, but got a nice breeze to go with it14:10
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pedjaI turn on AC mostly to get rid of the humidity, it's not that hot14:16
pedjaapparently, we have half of August of tropical temperatures to look forward to. yay14:16
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frinnstdont you know its a scam? because sometimes it snows..
SiFuhHoly crap
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.4]: ccrypt: update to 1.1115:32
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pedjafrinnst, yeah, it snows. at places that never saw snow before. but that's a minor detail, I guess :)15:57
pedjaI don't want to turn this into #crux-politics, but the optimist part of me thinks that politicians are against the idea of global warming due to bags of money they received16:01
pedjawell, majority of them. some of them are just...16:01
pedjasorry about that. now, on to the usual technical discussion16:02
pedjaspeaking of which, anyone else got a .md5 sum mismatch with llvm-32?16:03
pedjasomeone should just remove all .md5sum files from official repos, we have .signature now16:08
john_cephalopodaYear 2104, politician drowning in molten Tungsten: "THERE IS NO GLOBAL WARMkdlfjsadk-blub-"16:08
john_cephalopodaWell, it's understandable. Only a minority (97%) of scientists believe in global warming.16:10
Anselmoscience is screwey anyway16:10
Anselmocant trust that, especially when you can see it still snows16:11
Anselmothough the worse people are the ones who say climate change is happening, but is going to cause a lot of good without disreuption16:12
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john_cephalopodaThere is still ice on Mars! Global warming is fake!16:12
Anselmopedja: is there any reason that md5 is still even being used on the official ones?16:12
john_cephalopodaAnselmo: Yeah, all the good hurricanes and floodings and forest fires and damage in agriculture. There's no downside!16:13
john_cephalopodaAnselmo: I guess it is so you can use 3.2 with new packages and still have at least some base security.16:13
pedjaAnselmo, most of the developers started removing them a while ago16:14
Anselmob-but warm, increase of suftae suitable for agriculture, removal of the northern ice caps freeing up more areas to mine oil and opening new trade routes between eurasia and america16:14
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Anselmodidnt realize there were people using 3.2 with new packages . . .16:15
Anselmobut makes sense I suppose16:15
john_cephalopodaAnselmo: Yay, now we can finally do agriculture in all the nature reserves of Boreal forests with their unusable, nutritient-less soil while the fields in the south turn into deserts!16:16
AnselmoI dont like the south anyway--too warm formy tastes16:18
joacimwas talking to a geology professor once. he mentioned having a speech once about oil. made someone confused thinking oil was a renewable resource, like wood and water16:19
joacimas if it wouldnt take several thousand years to get a few more drops of oil16:20
john_cephalopodajoacim: My father is a geology professor. Geologists think in way longer timespans than usual people.16:21
pedjajoacim, how is Norway planning for the inevitable oil shortage?16:21
john_cephalopoda"It's very young mountains", just way older than humans :þ16:21
joacimsell oil, invest in something else16:22
Anselmoand with all the draining of swapms we've done recently . . . is the oil production rate not also being reduced ?16:22
Anselmoswapms and deforestation and all such things16:22
john_cephalopodaBreaking: Trump invades Florida to preserve swamps: "We need the oil. God bless America."16:23
pedjaI've watched a tv series recently, about Norway being invaded by Russia, on behalf on EU, for stopping the oil production16:23
joacimi imagine if russia were to invade, it would be to have an all year harbour16:24
pedjaeven though Norway was prepared to share the technology for clean energy for free with the rest of the world, EU/Russia were like 'Nah, gimme oil' :)16:25
joacimi think statoil invests in a lot of things that has nothing to do with oil16:27
joacimto prepare for a day where oil isnt totally viable16:27
joacimthey're equinor now. always happens when old businesses changes names. i forget their new names, and only remember their old ones16:29
pedjadidn't they stir a lot of fuss a while back when they diverted a lot of investments from oil?16:35
pedjabasically showing that the era of oil is near its end16:37
joacimnot much choice16:37
joacimsince they got pretty messed up when the ruble got way weak16:37
joacimmessed up the price of oil, and a lot of people lost their jobs16:38
pedjaany nuclear plants in Norway? I am too lazy to look it up :)16:38
joacimsome for research i think16:39
joacimnot in production16:39
joacimi think it would be sweet to have a few tho16:39
joacimapparently there is thorium in norway16:39
pedjathat's the mineral they used as a fictional power source in that series I was talking about :)16:40
joacimin this city, most energy is either imported, comes from hydro plants, or from burning trash16:40
joacimno idea if it is bullshit or not, but ive seen some people try to push thorium as a better alternative to uranium16:41
joacimin terms of safety and ease of operation16:41
joacimi'll let actual scientists make that decision for me16:41
pedjahere is the pretty good article on it
pedjalooks like a viable alternative, with a lot more R&D investment16:44
john_cephalopodaNuclear power is inconvenient.16:48
joacimbut cool16:48
john_cephalopodaAt least fission.16:48
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john_cephalopodaNuclear fusion looks like it will be cool.16:48
Anselmobut at best its rather a long ways off16:48
joacimi think it's more viable to get most of our energy from something renewable16:49
Anselmoand I dont think I've met a plasma physisict who's realy confident in thir work and their field16:49
joacimand reduce our actual energy consumption16:49
Anselmoand I know a lot of plasma physisicts . . .x-x16:49
Anselmospace based solar power :P16:49
joacimnot marketing bullshit like intels new and improved energy effective chips, that idle at the same wattage as before, and have a higher load16:49
joacimspace based, like in simcity 2000?16:50
Anselmothat too16:50
joacimi remember the beam could miss sometimes, and start fires around your solar plant =)16:50
Anselmothe people who are into those things usually tell me that that sort of thing is very low risk16:50
joacimalso birds die16:51
joacimbut i think thats already a problem with current solar arrays with focusing towers16:51
AnselmoI should look into that, as I've been told thats not true16:51
Anselmoadmitedly by people who want me to think its the coolest thing ever16:51
joacimidk how space things works16:51
Anselmowith a very wide microwave beam that reaches a station on earth16:52
Anselmoor something broadly similar to that16:52
AnselmoI'd imagine one could pick some wavelength that's less risky to birds and such, but still functional16:53
Anselmobut it wouldnt be like, a beam of intensely focused sunlight, nor like a microwave oven, at the very least16:54
pedjaJapan plans to build one16:54
pedjaquite a few challenges, thou16:54
pedjaspace debris being one of the major ones16:55
joacimthere is an anime about space debris16:55
joacimPlanetes I think it was16:56
pedjaanyone has one of those car key fob thingies? what's the size of the battery in it?16:56
Anselmospace derbis and also . . . unsure how big they're talking it would probably be either useless or a orbital construction on a scale no one has any experience in16:57
joacimi  ride a renewable energy vehicle (bicycle). no idea :316:57
john_cephalopodaTarget microwave beams at every restaurant.16:57
Anselmowhich opens a whole new mass of issues and delays16:57
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pedjawell, they are a bit weary of nuclear plants by now16:58
john_cephalopodaHonestly, you can just build solar arrays onto each roof and have fun.16:59
pedjaToshiba lost a shitload of money on those, iirc16:59
Anselmojohn_cephalopoda: and that would save cooling costs a lot, as well I understand16:59
Anselmoin some areas16:59
john_cephalopodaI don't get why people don't switch to renewable energy.17:00
john_cephalopodaJust use water power, wind power and solar power everywhere.17:00
Anselmohydroelectric is fairly destructive to river ecosystems17:00
john_cephalopodaI was more thinking of artificial storage lakes that are filled with surplus power and emptied through turbines if necessary.17:01
pedjasome countries I would never expect here, tbh
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john_cephalopodaHah, Norway like "Here, buy our oil and from the money we will build solar panels."17:12
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joacimi think solar is overall the way to go. solar roofs.17:24
joacimwind and hydro requires too much area17:24
joacimbut solar fits within already built cities17:24
joacimnorway isnt a good spot for solar tho17:25
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john_cephalopodaThere is only one problem with solar: Burning houses.17:30
john_cephalopodaWhen your house starts to burn and you got photovoltaic panels on your roof, the fire department might just wait for your house to burn down because it's complex to extinguish a fire when there's a high voltage that can't be turned off.17:31
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joacimhow about a giant umbrella17:43
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joacimsmells like thunder is brewing17:46
nothinHi! Hope not a completely stupid issue, but I get kernel panic (Unexpected reschedule of offline CPU) on freshly installed crux. I already tried disabling meltdown patch and newer kernel version17:52
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MNKyDethOk, so after the info jaeger gave me yesterday i made progress on my install. I now get a grub boot menu. However i am getting an error.18:44
MNKyDethError: no suitable video mode found18:44
MNKyDethBotting jn blind mode18:44
frinnsti had that18:45
frinnstset gfxpayload=keep18:45
frinnstterminal_output gfxterm18:45
MNKyDethWhen i do my crux install i do not install the nouveu driver. I remove them all except dummy and vesa. Would that matter?18:46
frinnstno, this is a grub/efi thing18:46
frinnstwhen the system is booted up you get a screen, right?18:46
MNKyDethYes, the grub menu. I only get the error after that.18:47
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frinnstadd set gfxpayload=keep to your grub.cfg18:48
MNKyDethI will try what you poated. I have those options in an of statement like what jaeger had. So it might not be taking effect.18:48
MNKyDethSorry for misspellings. On my phone while pokong at the puter.18:49
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MNKyDethOk, I put in my grub.cfg. ... set gfxmode=auto / set gfxpayload=keep / insmod gfxterm / terminal_output gfxterm they are on there own lines of course.19:02
MNKyDethI still get the same error.19:03
MNKyDethI tried without the insmod gfxterm as well. The main difference i see with my setup and jaegers grub.cfg is he uses initrd. I do not. I set to auto load in the kernel options. Do i need to make an initrd file for uefi maybe?19:05
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MNKyDethOk, did a bit more work on my grub.cfg still getting the "no suitable video mode found" error when trying to boot Crux . However i can get my win10 to load from it. Here is my grub.cfg
MNKyDethThat Linux is actually linux. My phone must have capitalized it. Thought i was double checking...20:08
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joacimmight it be the gfxterm-stuff? i dont think i have that in mine20:30
MNKyDethIll remove it here in a few and try.20:37
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MNKyDethjoacim i removed all except the two lines gfxmode and gfxpayload. Still the same. No suitable video mode found.22:16
MNKyDethI am starting to wonder is it because i used xfs as root? How does everyone obtaon there partuuid and such? I am using the one that is specified in cfdisk. Is that the wrong way, wrong partition uuid?22:17
MNKyDethAm i not supposed to specify linux (hd1,gpt3)/vmlinuz ? Should i do that a different way? I have tried root=/dev/nvme0n1p3 instead of the uuid but that didnt work either.22:19
MNKyDethSorry for so many questions. Been at this for a day or two on and off. I feel like i have tried everything but i know i must be missing something small... Dumb maybe.22:21
MNKyDethOk, a bit of an update.22:55
MNKyDethLots of reading..... I tried copying unifont.pf2 to /boot/grub and /boot/efi/EFI/grub/ I then copied the unifont.pf2 to unicode.pf2 and i now reach a terminal. However, my grub selection menu is all garbled. :) So... At least i have a command line without booting from a usb stick and chrooting now.22:58
joacimif xfs is the cause, you would have gotten a different error22:59
MNKyDethAlso, the issue i was having before i got the no screens error. I needed to mount -t efivarfs efivarfs /mnt/sys/firmware/efi/efivars22:59
joacimmight just be using the wrong or missing the proper framebuffer drivers.23:00
MNKyDethYeah, i was just really frustrated... Questioning anything i had done. I needed to take better notes.23:01
MNKyDethOnce i sort my garbled grub menu selection screen I'll consider myself official installed on my new system.y first time dealing with UEFI and not sure i liked it. Lol however i learned.23:02
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