IRC Logs for #crux Wednesday, 2018-08-22

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ryuoInteresting.06:54
ryuohttps://www.pcgamesn.com/steam-linux-play-windows-games06:54
ryuoThis could further weaken the gaming situation for Windows.06:54
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joacimi doubt anything will happen07:43
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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.4]: feh: Update to 2.27.113:03
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pedjaif you want to boldly go where no man has gone before https://stage-9.co.uk/13:38
frinnstlol13:44
frinnstcool13:57
frinnstworks on my work box :-)13:57
frinnstframerate is not very impressive on this shitbox13:58
frinnst Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Cape Verde PRO [Radeon HD 7750/8740 / R7 250E] (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])13:58
frinnsthttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/KnowledgeBase/L1TF14:09
frinnstdidnt know about /sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/14:11
frinnstnifty14:11
frinnstand depressing14:11
joacimruns pretty poorly on mine too. with the Rx 55014:32
pedjais it using Vulkan? I've seen it mentioned a couple of times on the website14:47
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.4]: ghc: 8.2.2 -> 8.4.314:54
RomsterMitigation: __user pointer sanitization14:57
RomsterMitigation: Full AMD retpoline14:57
Romsterfirst two i am not affected by14:57
surrounderfrinnst: hmm handy directory indeed14:58
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frinnstRomster: yeah amd is awesome :)15:59
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joacim19:39 freenode =!= | irc: SASL authentication timeout17:41
joacimis SASL broken now?17:42
markandhello18:06
pedjajoacim, it's been wonky all day18:11
cruxbot[opt.git/3.4]: imlib2: updated to 1.5.118:52
frinnstmaybe thats why they are restarting stuff19:01
joacimwas wondering if i had to redo my nick registration or something19:11
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onoderaHi, I don't know if anyone used the 6c37 ports repo, but I orphaned it and no longer will push any port updates.21:57
onoderaI forked the ports I personally use to my personal ports repo if anyone is interested: https://github.com/onodera-punpun/crux-ports21:58
jaegeronodera: what's up with that, is the 6c37 group dead?22:00
korijaeger: well, I left a couple years ago22:01
onoderajaeger: xeirrr/rtlanceroad and me did most of the maintaining. xeirrr recently vanished (I don't know what's up with that sadly), and I don't really have the time anymore to maintain all these ports22:01
korixeirrr, one of our maintainers, disappeared22:01
koriand yeah there you go22:02
jaegerok, so yes, pretty much22:02
koritl;dr yes22:02
jaegerthat's fine, was just curious. I'll remove them from the portdb and add your personal one, onodera22:02
onoderathanks jaeger :)22:02
jaegernp22:02
john_cephalopodaHuh, 6c37 dies?22:04
john_cephalopodaHrm.22:04
jaegerI can't speak for everyone but personally I much prefer personal repos that are well maintained to larger or group repos that may not be when someone's MIA22:05
john_cephalopodaonodera: I use blender and probably some others that you forked so I'll subscibe to your repo.22:06
AnselmoI feel like 6c37 was a sort of handy place that had a lot of popular ports all together, it certainly helped me when I first started here22:06
onoderajaeger: yeah I think I'm also leaning to the more decentralized style now22:07
onoderahowever I used to think some big public repo (a bit like how void does it) would be nice22:07
jaegerThe concept has some nice points, definitely... but it's harder to maintain over the long term, I feel22:07
john_cephalopodaI agree with Anselmo. Instead of picking stuff together from a dozen repos with conflicting port version and semi-active devs, you had a place on github where you could easily push to if you wanted something updated.22:08
jaegerAt least with very small teams22:08
john_cephalopodaHow about moving the stuff that is still used to contrib?22:08
john_cephalopodaContrib seems to work quite well.22:08
onoderajohn_cephalopoda: some ports are pretty obscure software but something like blender can probably move yes22:09
Anselmoit just needs to have reliable maintainers is the only issue I'd imagine22:09
Anselmoblender / i3 / other things, I dont remember all thats in there22:09
jaegerAnyone besides me have an optimus laptop?22:09
jaegerWith CRUX on it22:09
onoderathat's the problem I have with these user maintened repos, it's a bit hard to know which ones are beening actively maintained and which ones not22:10
onoderajaeger: I have but I never use it22:10
onoderaI haven't tried glvnd yet22:10
john_cephalopodaonodera: mpv should definitely move, too.22:10
jaegermpv is also in contrib22:10
onoderajohn_cephalopoda: mpv is in contrib22:10
onoderathe mpv i have in my now personal repo pull from git master22:10
john_cephalopodaonodera: Ah, I thought so but was confused to find it in your repo, too.22:11
jaegeronodera: it's only recently that I've gotten if fully working (with the help of glvnd) on crux, but I'm the only one testing it, I think22:11
jaegers/if/it/22:11
onoderajaeger: I just forced it to always use my gpu22:11
AnselmoI've lately gotten into the habit of (for a lot of new ports I add) just taking them and putting the most uptodate version in my private one22:11
jaegerthe intel one?22:11
onoderabad for battery life but it worked22:11
onoderanah the nvidia one22:11
jaegerAh. I cannot do that with my laptop22:12
jaegerIt's one of the ones with a '3d controller' rather than an actual discrete GPU22:12
jaegerFor that type of laptop you need prime or bumblebee/primusrun/optirun to get any use out of the nvidia GPU at all22:13
jaegerwhereas with yours you have options22:13
jaegereven if they're harder on the battery :)22:13
jaegers/any use/any 3d/gaming use/ before someone brings up CUDA :)22:13
jaegerargh, bad substition there but you get the idea22:14
onoderaI think I used prime yes22:15
onoderaI had to add some xrandr line to my xinit22:15
onoderaand add some nvidia options line to my x11 config22:15
jaegerYeah, sounds right. Another thing you can't do with the '3d controller' type22:15
ryuojaeger: perhaps crux could use something like AUR?22:21
ryuocontrib isn't really that.22:21
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Anselmoehh,the ports as a collexion seem like that basically22:24
pedjablender is pretty straightforward if you want to use CUDA for rendering with Cycles. openCL, otoh22:24
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Anselmoits just a mite more hands on22:24
pedjaone of the reasons there are so many duplicate ports is a difference in opinion on how feature-full (or bloated :)) people want application to be22:30
jaegerryuo: perhaps, though I don't really know how the AUR works so not sure22:32
pedjaafaict, it's a dumping ground for user submitted ports22:32
AnselmoI think they also handle some of the like,featurefull/bloatedness stuff22:34
Anselmoor like, stable versus git versions22:34
pedjaso like CRUX personal repos, basically, just at one place22:35
Anselmobasically22:38
Anselmoor, I mean, similar ish22:39
pedjaas per 'PRIME render offloading on Nvidia Optimus' thread on nvidia forums, they are working on it :)22:44
pedjaserver side glvnd that shipped with xorg-1.20 was one of the pieces22:46
pedjait's one of he longest threads there :)22:47
pedjathe*22:48
ryuojaeger: it works, but there's no screening in AUR.22:48
ryuoawhile ago there was a report of malicious packages in AUR.22:49
ryuobut only one i've ever seen.22:49
pedjathat adobe reader package in AUR?22:50
pedjaslightly misspelled, iirc22:50
ryuomaybe. i don't remember.22:51
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.4]: feh: add missing dependency xorg-libxt. thanks, Leeroy22:57
pedjaanyone else get Pkgfile .signature mismatch with feh?23:05
jaegeryeah, the last commit only updated Pkgfile, not the signature23:07
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koriryuo: 6c37 was KIIINDA like the aur23:23
koriexcept... the whole github thing23:23
korianyway23:23
korisadly i don't have time to pick the project back up myself23:24

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