IRC Logs for #crux Thursday, 2018-08-30

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dasporkjaeger: yep01:37
jaegerdaspork: nice, I have one as well01:39
dasporkreally enjoying. 8th gen is the shit, usb charge, and etra ssd slot for that price01:39
jaegeryeah. I added a second SSD already, it's handy01:39
jaegerI only have one issue with it and I know it's solvable, just haven't dug into it yet - the touchpad doesn't work at boot until I suspend and resume once01:40
jaegerIt's something in my kernel or xorg or libinput config, though, I've booted other distros and not had the problem01:40
dasporkno idea how much it is outside, but i got the i5 for ~720 in shenzhen01:40
dasporkI dont have that issue, I just installed 3.401:41
jaegernice! I paid $829 USD for the i5/8GB01:41
jaegerwell worth it01:41
dasporkyeah its a 1000-1200 value for sure01:41
dasporkI did have to get rid of libinput though, it was total crap01:42
jaegerwhat are you using instead? evdev?01:42
dasporktwo finger right click worked 20% etc, everything perfect with synaptics01:42
jaegersynaptics?01:42
jaegerah, ok01:42
dasporki know its legacy and they are trying to replace it, but it still has the edge01:42
dasporkand a boat load more options01:42
jaegerI haven't had any problems with libinput except the suspend/resume thing01:42
dasporkhrmmm wonder why i had such trouble with it01:43
jaegerI don't use all the features, but I do use two finger right click and two finger scroll as well as tap to click01:43
dasporkmaybe its HOW i do my right click.01:43
dasporkyou could always try synaptics though just to see if its an issue for you on your suspend/resume01:44
jaegeryeah, I'll give it a shot01:44
dasporkits only a couple lines in xorg.conf.d01:44
jaegermind sharing your synaptics config on pastebin or ix.io or the like?01:45
dasporkyep sec01:45
dasporkhttp://putco.de/ODk4Nw.rib01:47
dasporkthats literally all.... lol01:47
jaegersimple enough01:47
jaegerI'll give it a try, thanks01:47
dasporkoddly enough, i did put ubuntu 18 on it first and unity uses libinput but it works fine..... and its not a versions issue, they must have a patch set for pad dimensions etc01:48
dasporkbut raw libinput was trash01:49
daspork(for me)01:49
john_cephalopodaHeh, the only thing I do with synaptics is "synclient TouchpadOff=1". I prefer to use the touchpoint mouse.01:49
dasporkhah yeah, and fwiw libinput has a somewhat nice cli client too01:50
jaegerThis is my libinput config, for reference: http://ix.io/1lyi01:53
dasporkpretty much exatly what i had. its weird we had very different outcomes01:55
dasporkand honestly, my last laptop was a macbook and say what you want about the hardware but those touchpads are awesome.01:56
jaegerodd indeed01:56
dasporkmaybe it was just my harsh criticism comparing the two01:57
jaegerperhaps01:58
jaegerOK, same problem with synaptics, so it's maybe a kernel config issue rather than driver config01:58
dasporkahh too bad.01:58
jaegerno big deal, one data point narrowed down01:59
dasporkevery time i have had issues with sleep/supend/usb devices (assuming thats what the touchpad is using) is almost always the HID Interrupt stuff02:00
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jaegergonna try arch's kernel config for grins02:23
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jaegerwhich takes quite some time to build, given how many things are enabled02:42
dasporkto be honest with you now that you have mentioned it, i might actually use the arch defaults myself. they seem to be pretty sane etc02:49
cruxbot[core.git/3.4]: bison: updated to version 3.102:59
jaegerI doubt anyone cares too much at this point, but I'm going to stop building 3.3-updated ISOs03:00
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jaegerok, with the arch config doctored a bit to boot without need for an initramfs and compressed modules, the touchpad problem is gone. So definitely a kernel config issue04:17
jaegerwow, how did I miss the footprint on the nvidia-32 update? sheesh04:18
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.4]: nvidia-32: updated .footprint04:19
abenzwe are but mere mortals jaeger :)04:20
jaegerindeed04:20
jaegerJust a surprise because I rebuild the nvidia ports a LOT04:20
jaegerdaspork: do you have CONFIG_MOUSE_ELAN_I2C and/or CONFIG_I2C_HID enabled in your kernel config?04:42
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.4]: [notify] dropbear: fix for CVE-2018-1559909:09
cruxbot[opt.git/3.4]: sshfs-fuse: update to 3.5.009:47
cruxbot[opt.git/3.4]: libtirpc: update to 1.1.409:47
cruxbot[opt.git/3.4]: cups-filters: update to 1.21.109:47
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john_cephalopoda-mniip- [Global Notice] If you are using an IRC client that uses the "pango" text rendering library (e.g hexchat) or a terminal IRC client with a terminal that uses pango, we advise that you make sure you've updated pango to the latest version. Windows users of hexchat are advised to update from the official hexchat website: https://hexchat.github.io/news/2.14.2.html12:42
john_cephalopodaLooks like there's a CVE in pango.12:42
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frinnstbummer13:40
frinnstI think it's in my commit queue13:40
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.4]: [notify] pango: updated to 1.42.4. Fix for CVE-2018-15120.15:27
dasporkjaeger looks like yes to both but i cant tell you if i did it or it was defualt15:50
dasporkmy usually first go at menuconfig is just to start at the top and enable stuff i think i need, then reduce it later15:51
john_cephalopodaHmm, recommendations for a jabber/xmpp client in some port repo?15:52
john_cephalopodafrinnst: Pango has a footprint mismatch for me.16:09
john_cephalopodaMISSING   -rwxr-xr-x      root/root       usr/lib/libpango-1.0.so.0.4200.316:10
john_cephalopodaNEW       -rwxr-xr-x      root/root       usr/lib/libpango-1.0.so.0.4200.416:10
john_cephalopodaAnd many more like it, all having a .4 instead of a .3 in the end.16:10
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jaegerdaspork: I tried it with no success as well as i2c hid support, still don't know what's missing16:24
jaegerOh well, I'll figure it out at some point16:24
jaegerdaspork: mind pasting the output of xinput list and cat /proc/bus/input/devices? I've got to go for a bit but will check them out later16:25
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pedjajaeger, did you try diffconfig from kernel scripts directory? it can be handy for things like that16:37
pedjabot that gives voice after 15sec delay is the interesting method against spam16:45
pedja15 seconds after joining the channel16:46
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.4]: pango: footprint fix17:06
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jaegerpedja: yeah, I'm just not sure yet which thing fixes it. :/ I've tried several18:20
pedjajaeger, ah. so, detective work :) ?18:21
jaegersome detective work, some guess work :P18:21
cruxbot[opt.git/3.4]: fontconfig: updated to 2.13.118:21
jaegerAll I know is that the arch config works and mine doesn't, even after tweaking... but there's an extra device in 'xinput list' or 'libinput list-devices' that I don't have and I haven't yet found the config that activates it18:24
cruxbot[opt.git/3.4]: nspr: updated to 4.2018:25
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tilmanjaeger: if you can find the entry in sysfs for the device, you can ask it for the driver that provides support for it18:53
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jaegerI'll try that, thanks19:05
pedjaslip of the mouse, and Blender ends up coping with 1.2 million edges. not a pretty sight :)19:19
pedjaaround 50k seems to be the upper limit for comfortable work on my potatoputer19:21
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ryuoToday it seems the spam bots changed to using unicode lookalikes.22:22
ryuoSo I added a kick filter to derail them in #learnprogramming...22:22
joacimpls remove the ban. i think it is a lot more confusing for people than a plain +r22:25
joacimespecially when you just have a ban without reason22:25
ryuojoacim: ... it's not a ban.22:25
joacimhere22:25
ryuojoacim: they adopted the ban to allow unregged bots in.22:26
joacimlately when freenode have been unstable and sasl-auth wasnt working, i got ban messages when my client tried to autojoin this channel22:26
ryuothey could switch to +q.22:26
joacimhow about unregistered users?22:26
joacimpeople who might not be active on freenode already might join here to ask a question22:27
joacimi think you can lose potential new users with a +b22:27
ryuojoacim: we started with a quiet mute on unregistered users.22:27
ryuoIn #learnprogramming.22:27
ryuoEnded up evolving to a kick the spammers bot solution.22:28
ryuoIt's actually much easier to detect in English channels due to the lack of unicode.22:28
ryuoSince they switch to unicode spam.22:28
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joacimso what if håvard wants to join, or øyvind?22:28
ryuoit's not nick names that it kicks on.22:30
ryuoand we get almost no normal traffic with unicode.22:30
ryuoin #learnprogramming.22:30
ryuojoacim: what do you propose? let the spammers run wild and free?22:31
joacimi think +r is overall nicer. since new users get a useful error message when trying to join22:31
joacim+q could work if the topic mentioned it22:31
ryuowe can't set +r in #learnprogramming.22:32
joacimtalking about crux22:32
joacimi dont care about programming whatever22:32
ryuoOk.22:32
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ryuolol22:32
joacimif i cared about #learnprogramming, i would talk in #learnprogramming22:32
joacimno idea what it looks like for someone trying to talk while under +q22:33
ryuojoacim: they'll get no messages about being quieted.22:33
ryuounlike +m or +r22:33
joacimthat's pretty annoying22:34
joacimcan you autovoice registered people?22:34
ryuonot without a bot.22:34
ryuoit's up to the channel ops to deal with the spam how they see fit.22:35
joacimofc22:35
joacimi also imagine old users that return after hiatus might be very confused by a +b22:36
joacimsince theyve been here before, they might wonder what it is they did22:36
joacimthey might not know to register22:37
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