IRC Logs for #crux Sunday, 2018-09-02

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dasporkyeah arch wiki has just become a good general place no matter the distro, very good docs00:25
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john_cephalopodaBack when I used Arch, I used the wiki a lot. Now less and less since more and more things there become systemd-specific.02:21
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][_R_][https://muchweb.me/systemd-builtin-spyware/02:52
][_R_][For tinfoil hattiness02:53
john_cephalopoda][_R_][: Oh no! Those features even exist in the linux kernel itself!03:18
john_cephalopodadmesg03:18
][_R_][Neither the NTP or "disk eating log" are part of the kernel03:22
][_R_][Link's pretty stupid all around anyways though03:22
john_cephalopodaNTP is a standard utility.03:23
john_cephalopodaI am running it as a daemon myself.03:23
john_cephalopodaLogging is also a standard thing. I doubt that my logs have got any size limits though.03:23
john_cephalopodaThe arguments on that page don't make any sense.03:37
pedjait's well known fact that the systemd is evil, made with the exact purpose to destroy The Linux way[tm]03:42
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pedjasince it was inspired by Solaris SMF and MacOS launchd, which are both, unlike Linux, certified Unix[tm] OS, can the argument that it's against Unix philosophy really be made?03:55
pedjaUnix is still relevant today, after 40+ years, because it evolved03:57
pedjaall this systemd 'drama' is tiring. it won, move the fuck on.04:00
jaegerexactly04:03
pedjainteresting read https://www.berrange.com/posts/2018/06/29/cpu-model-configuration-for-qemu-kvm-on-x86-hosts/04:08
pedjamost of my VM's are set to 'core2duo', which is not recommended :)04:12
pedjamy e6500 is, according to ARK, Wolfdale, but openblas recognizes it as Penryn.04:15
pedja'Legacy CPU'. yeah, yeah, rub it in, Intel04:18
pedja45nm. damn, the time has passed :)04:19
john_cephalopodapedja: I think most of the drama is caused by disputes with the project lead, rather than the concept behind systemd.04:27
pedjapeople sending him death threats over it seems like a over-reaction, imho04:29
john_cephalopodaOf course.04:30
pedjaand that's the thing. actual technical discussion, based on facts, was rare04:32
abenzactually I think its more philosophical rather than technical04:33
abenzie systemd is made up of components, but as a whole, it violates the "do one thing and do it well" unix concept04:33
abenzalso the dependency octopus it creates was threatening..04:34
abenzI actually understand the pov of anti-systemd folks.. its not without merit. Just that some over-reacted04:34
pedjayay, trip to nature. it's gonna be a long day...04:37
pedjaafk04:38
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abenzdevuan made a release! I thought it was going to fizzle away04:39
john_cephalopodaI'm not a fan of systemd. It takes more and more things and integrates it into a giant, complex system of inter-dependent services.04:39
abenzbut it seems they will persist.. I wonder for how long04:39
john_cephalopodaHuh, interesting.04:42
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ryuofrinnst: small heads up. if you decide to relax the ban on unregistered users, there's still spam. But all the spam i've seen lately uses unicode to bypass regular filters.08:09
ryuofrinnst: i ended up adding a script to my IRC client to kick people whose messages contain unicode ranges that have been used by the spammers.08:09
ryuofrinnst: it's a tolerable tradeoff for #learnprogramming.08:10
ryuolow false positive rate too, as the regular users use ASCII for the most part.08:10
ryuoTCL... i don't know08:12
ryuoPerl very well right now, so it was the easiest way to extend WeeChat. Go figure.08:13
ryuoLOL how crass, frinnst.08:13
ryuofrinnst: + VERSION fuck off08:14
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.4]: aria2: 1.33.1 -> 1.34.008:42
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.4]: gcr: 3.20.0 -> 3.28.008:42
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ryuoI have to say though, this spam is hilarious.09:41
ryuohttp://dpaste.com/213MPNS09:41
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oidI have been getting crux setup for the first time in years and have hit a hiccup, if I plug my phone into the computer (android) I get the message about the new device using xhci_hcd, then 'cannot enable. Maube the USB cable is bad." twice, then "attempt power cycle" and the bad cable suggest twice again and finally "unable to enumerate USB device"09:52
oidcable is good09:52
oidany clues on where I should hunt?09:52
onoderaoid: on android when you swipe down and show the menu where also the brightness slider is you can select "charging modes", one of which is "share files" or something10:00
onoderadid you do that?10:00
onoderaI also sometimes have problems with usb2/usb3, it might be that you didn't enable usb2 or 3 in your kernel config10:00
oidthats the old android I believe, now files sharing is done through mtp, all I have had to do on slackware is just go to networks and turn on USB tether, but the phone does not see the computer either so can not turn it on10:03
oidcheck all my USB setting in the kernel config 3 times, they are all there10:04
oidchecked10:04
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cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.4]: pango-32: 1.42.3 -> 1.42.410:17
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.4]: nss-32: 3.38 -> 3.3910:17
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.4]: nspr-32: 4.19 -> 4.2010:17
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.4]: mesa3d-32: 18.1.6 -> 18.1.710:17
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.4]: libtirpc-32: 1.0.3 -> 1.1.410:17
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.4]: glslang-32: 20180721 -> 7.8.285310:17
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.4]: glib-32: 2.56.2 -> 2.58.010:17
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.4]: gdbm-32: 1.17 -> 1.1810:17
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.4]: fontconfig-32: 2.13.0 -> 2.13.110:17
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.4]: wine: 3.14 -> 3.1511:07
cruxbot[opt.git/3.4]: meson: 0.47.1 -> 0.47.211:12
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.4]: python3-setuptools: 40.0.0 -> 40.2.012:07
cruxbot[opt.git/3.4]: python-setuptools: 40.0.0 -> 40.2.012:07
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.4]: youtube-dl: 2018.08.04 -> 2018.09.0112:27
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.4]: python3-websocket-client: 0.49.0 -> 0.51.012:27
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.4]: python3-pycryptodome: 3.6.5 -> 3.6.612:27
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.4]: python3-attrs: 18.1.0 -> 18.2.012:27
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.4]: python-attrs: 18.1.0 -> 18.2.012:27
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.4]: python-pyasn1: 0.4.3 -> 0.4.412:39
cruxbot[opt.git/3.4]: python-pip python3-pip remove old readme12:50
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abenzonodera: ping14:04
abenzhttps://github.com/6c37/crux-ports14:04
abenzare those ports dead? I see its archived..14:04
onoderahi abenz14:11
onoderayes, I forked the ports I personally use to my personal crux-ports repo14:12
abenzhi14:12
abenzso the 6c37 team is no more?14:12
onoderaI no longer had the time to maintain all these ports since rtlanceroad left14:12
onoderasadle yep14:12
abenzsad to hear..14:13
abenzlong live Romster!14:13
abenzand the devs of course14:14
frinnsthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eSAF_qT_FY&feature=youtu.be14:27
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jaegerfrinnst: that's pretty crazy15:36
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pedjacrushing grapes is hard work, even with the relatively small volume of it17:28
pedja200 kg, or thereabouts17:28
pedjais there a diff tool for pcaps? my ddg-foo is failing me17:30
pedjaI wonder if I can hack libratbag so it uses private copy of the libsystemd17:36
pedjawouldn't want any other app I compile picking that up :)17:37
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rmullpedja: pcaps as in the pcapng packet capture format? You could check out python-pcapng, which at least provides a parser in python. No diff though afaik.18:18
pedjarmull, it's tcpdump native. I'll check python-libcapng, might be handy, thanks18:24
pedjait's a weird issue. same ovs versions, same hardware, same settings, but networking works on 4.17, doesn't on 4.18 kernel18:31
pedjakernel config should be pretty much the same, I re-used the 4.17 one with 4.1818:33
pedjainteresting thing is, for roughly the same time period of testing, pcap from 4.18 are 2-5 times bigger than 4.17 ones18:34
pedjawell, fuck. icu update broke a lot of shit18:49
pedjamost of them taking a while to rebuild :)18:49
jaegerwoot! gopro saves the day19:33
jaegerattached it to the door of my car to watch a wheel's alignment on a short drive19:34
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jaegerOh great, now I have to get it fixed again... one of the lug bolts snapped off :/20:16
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nwehas someone in here working with kubernetes? and promethues?20:33
nweand now howto add more scrape to prometheus.yaml?20:35
rmull:1820:39
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nwe120:54
pedjanwe, daspork is working with k8s, iirc. not sure if he/she/it is using prometheus, thou20:59
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