IRC Logs for #crux Friday, 2018-09-28

ryuojoacim: what's the appeal of expensive desktop cases? after awhile they lose much practical purpose.00:14
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joacimryuo: their niceness i think. cheaper ones feel a bit flimsy to me00:29
joacimthink it is hard to find a case that is both nice like the expensive ones, and convenient00:30
joacimwhat i dont get is why so many cases are huge, but are pretty much empty since they have no drive cages beyond the two behind the psu00:31
ryuojoacim: heh. i saw a silverstone case once. sec.01:03
ryuojoacim: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Af6bhAkZF001:05
joacima bit big maybe =)01:08
joacimi like the way it looks. it looks very simple and solid02:02
joacimjust wish it was no bigger than it needs to be02:02
joacimbit more traditional 120/140mm fans would be nice too. their 180mm fans arent favourites of mine02:03
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beli3verthe gimp Pkgfile need as depencie glib-networking03:19
beli3verI need your help. https://ibb.co/b5Umwp03:25
beli3verI have a script that shows me the battery percent and battery state as icon. but when i push it to lemonbar says it no fontawesome found03:26
beli3verbut fc-list shows that i have installed it03:26
ryuobeli3ver: does it work if you stop the size?03:42
beli3verNo still same error03:43
ryuo...  I think I see why.03:44
ryuobeli3ver: lemonbar doesn't use XFT.03:44
ryuoHence, it can't load fonts that way.03:44
ryuoXFS doesn't use FontConfig.03:44
ryuoX11 supports two low level font rendering APIs. One using the ancient XFS and the newer XFT.03:45
ryuoIt's very common for these simplistic X11 programs to only use XFS.03:45
ryuoXFS sucks for anything that isn't bitmap fonts.03:45
beli3verOK i See There is a patch03:45
ryuobeli3ver: did switching terminals help?03:46
ryuowith your unicode issue.03:46
beli3verYes03:47
beli3verSakura is amazing03:47
ryuoOk, so that's it. I never did like urxvt for unicode.03:47
ryuobeli3ver: fyi, XFS supports unicode text, but the font it uses has to support the characters.03:48
ryuoSo... i'd just stick with XFT. it's much better in general, despite limitations.03:48
ryuoI personally got tired of all the hassle of desktop customization.03:49
ryuoMy laptop IPS display looks better with AA fonts anyway.03:50
ryuonot to mention sublime text 3 looks really nice. X)03:53
beli3verThe xtf patch worked04:00
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.4]: wine-staging: updated .signature04:37
jaegerjoacim: the asrock x399 taichi picked up my RAM's XMP profile automagically, didn't have to mess with it04:42
abenzjaeger: congrats04:43
abenzdidnt expect you to get your TR so soon04:44
jaegerthanks :) everything arrived 2 days after ordering04:44
abenzdo you have the parts list?04:44
jaegerhttps://pcpartpicker.com/list/xb4LbX04:44
abenzwhats the best/initial impression after using it?04:45
jaegerI haven't sat down to do much desktop work yet, was pretty busy today... but I have been compiling and installing everything and so far it seems great04:45
abenzgreat :)04:46
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nwehelllo, can someone see what I have miss with this https://pastebin.com/4TispGrW ansible complains about missing quotes..07:58
nwehaha I found the problem I change in wrong playbook :D08:03
cruxbot[opt.git/3.4]: [notify] pygtk: dependency change: pygobject and pycairo to python-gobject-compat and python-cairo, 2 patches applied upstream bugs: 623965 and 66021608:43
cruxbot[opt.git/3.4]: python-gobject-compat: initial import08:43
cruxbot[opt.git/3.4]: pygobject-gtk3: dropped08:43
cruxbot[opt.git/3.4]: python3-gobject: initial import08:43
cruxbot[opt.git/3.4]: [notify] python-gobject: 2.28.6 -> 3.30.1 renamed: pygobject -> python-gobject08:43
cruxbot[opt.git/3.4]: python3-cairo: initial import08:43
cruxbot[opt.git/3.4]: [notify] python-cairo: 1.10.0 -> 1.17.1 port rename: pycairo -> python-cairo08:43
cruxbot[opt.git/3.4]: gst-plugins-base: 1.14.2 -> 1.14.308:43
cruxbot[opt.git/3.4]: gstreamer: 1.14.2 -> 1.14.308:43
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.4]: gstreamer-vaapi: 1.14.2 -> 1.14.308:45
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.4]: gst-python3: initial import08:45
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.4]: [notify] gst-python: 1.14.2 -> 1.14.3 dependecies removed: pygtk, pygobject-gtk3 added: python-gobject python3-gobject08:45
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.4]: [notify] gst-libav: 1.14.2 -> 1.14.3 dependency change, dropped ffmpeng3 use internal libav, new dependencies: autoconf-archive and yasm08:45
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.4]: gst-plugins-ugly: 1.14.2 -> 1.14.308:45
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.4]: gst-plugins-bad: 1.14.2 -> 1.14.308:45
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.4]: gst-plugins-good: 1.14.2 -> 1.14.308:45
cruxbot[opt.git/3.4]: python3-setuptools: 40.2.0 -> 40.4.308:58
cruxbot[opt.git/3.4]: python-setuptools: 40.2.0 -> 40.4.308:58
pedjaI sometimes wonder why, when the port changes its name, it doesn't provide an alias, so it doesn't break stuff09:09
Romsteri used to but i got told off injecting things into prt-alias.conf so i stopped doing that.09:09
pedjawhat's the reasoning behind that?09:10
Romsteri don't know09:10
Romsteri was checking if the line existed and if not added it in post-install09:11
Romsteri know changing names is a pain but that lot shouldn't affect to much09:11
pedjaI am talking in principle. it's the PITA to hunt down broken deps, particularly with python/perl and friends :)09:13
Romsterprt-get deptree foo09:13
Romsteri use the [notify] tag there for the commit messages that also goes to the mailing list09:14
pedjais prt-alias used for *anything* then? or it is left to the system owners to fiddle with it?09:15
Romsterleft to prt-get port in core i guess.09:15
pedjaseems strange to not use it in this situation. oh, well, I am probably missing something :)09:16
Romsteri wouldn't mind openjdk be added as an alias to jdk09:16
pedjayou build openjdk from scratch or is it a bin port, like Oracle's jdk?09:18
pedjalibreoffice is partially broken, it seems09:20
pedjaI am not building *that* :)09:20
Romsteri build it from contrib/09:21
Romsterwhich has a bootstrap port in contrib to build it09:21
cruxbot[opt.git/3.4]: python3-cairo: fix footprint10:01
cruxbot[opt.git/3.4]: python-cairo: fix footprint10:01
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.4]: python3-setuptools: forgot .signature and .footprint in last update10:21
cruxbot[opt.git/3.4]: vte3: 0.50.2 -> 0.54.110:41
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.4]: sakura: 3.5.0 -> 3.6.010:48
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.4]: youtube-dl: 2018.09.01 -> 2018.09.2610:48
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.4]: gst-plugins-base-32: 1.14.2 -> 1.14.311:05
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.4]: gstreamer-32: 1.14.2 -> 1.14.311:05
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.4]: sqlite3-32: 3.25.1 -> 3.25.211:05
cruxbot[opt.git/3.4]: hpcups: update to 3.18.911:23
cruxbot[xorg.git/3.4]: mesa3d: update to 18.2.111:24
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.4]: sakura: remove .md5sum11:28
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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.4]: drop all md5sums in contrib12:07
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.4]: mesa3d-32: 18.1.8 -> 18.2.112:13
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joacimjaeger: i'm glad that worked out so well. similar to my experience with my ram kit. it just works with xmp13:55
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jaegerNice14:45
jaegerYeah, me too14:45
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frinnsthttps://visopsys.org cool. looks simple enough to get your head around14:47
jaegerinteresting15:00
Anselmodoesnt want to work with my mouse in qemu ;-;15:07
Anselmoah, just doesnt have a ps/2 driver15:08
Anselmoor, hrm15:12
joacimthat "100% FREE" download link doesn't inspire confidence =)15:38
Anselmo^^15:41
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kosyxjaeger, i figured out the problem, i setup my work folder as a tempfs and it didn't have enough space. all is good now16:43
jaegerMakes sense16:43
kosyxyeah... totally spaced on that.... took me awhile to remember haha16:44
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beli3verOK get still some locale errors, when I use mutt I see for German üöä only a ?18:12
joacimwhich term. output of locale. output of locale -a18:15
joacim(aka. works on my system with urxvt)18:16
beli3verUse sakura18:18
joacimhttps://i.imgur.com/KFLidKc.png <- my output and settings18:19
joacimhttps://paste.pound-python.org/show/wiOH4ypsRiz6jg1uNd5Y/ <- this is what i run to define my locales18:19
beli3verGive me 10 min than I am back on my pc18:20
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beli3verPCjaeger: here18:38
beli3verPChttps://paste.debian.net/1045043/18:38
joacimdo you use bash?18:40
joacimyoure missing output from locale18:41
beli3verPCyes bash18:41
joacimadd the export lines that i have in your /etc/profile. make sure they match your locales18:41
joacimand and i want to see output of locale18:42
beli3verPChttps://paste.debian.net/1045050/18:43
joacimno wonder your fancy european characters doesnt work =)18:45
beli3verYes18:45
joacimshould work once you define LANG and CHARSET in /etc/profile18:45
beli3verOK I will restart18:45
joacimmight be better ways to do this, but this is how i do it18:46
joacimi had some issues with man pages, but i always forget how i fix those18:47
joacimmaybe it is the LESSCHARSET that fixes it. idk18:47
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joacimman prt-get exposes issues with charsets with the bulletpoints18:48
beli3verThx18:49
beli3verIt works18:49
joacimshould also work with plain xterm now (or maybe it requires uxterm)18:51
joacimhavind to define utf8 yourself reminds me of 2003 somehwo19:42
joacimused to be loads of people on irc that got mad at me for using utf8 instead of some iso format19:42
beli3verWhy is the mutt pachage without smtp support in opt?19:55
tilmanwhy did they decide to implement smtp in mutt?20:02
][_R_][Why wouldn't they?20:04
tilmanhistorically, MUA, MTA and MDA are separate programs and that approach has worked just fine20:06
beli3ver Please enable this20:06
beli3verI really love mutt20:11
joacimyou can edit the pkgfile and include it yourself20:11
beli3veryes, but every update I have to do it again20:11
joacimjust need to uncomment a line actually20:11
beli3verso I will create a port with default enabled smtp support20:11
joacimi use mutt with isync20:11
joacimand just whatever works for sending email20:13
beli3verok20:14
beli3verI will reduce my programms and software, so I have one config and not many20:15
joacimguess one could use sendmail instead20:16
beli3veryeah, its ok so, I really love it, I try to work only with cmd line software20:16
beli3verbut I need a browser like firefox for web development really anoying20:17
joacimi just use whatever. somehow decided that all email clients suck20:18
joacimi like the one with os x20:18
joacimbut, i'd have to get a new mac for that20:18
joacimsecond least sucky one for me is evolution20:19
beli3verdo expensive20:19
joacimi dont think their stuff is too expensive, their stuff just sucks for me20:19
beli3ver:-)20:19
joacimlast interesting mac for me was released in 201220:19
joacimsince then i feel they stopped pandering to my needs and desires20:19
beli3verok so I wish you all a nice evening20:20
beli3vermust go :D20:20
joacimlater =)20:20
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