IRC Logs for #crux Wednesday, 2018-10-03

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beli3verHi, here the is an error with filezilla installation, download could not be found00:58
teK_jup, that file went away.., noticed yesterday. fix is on its way00:59
teK_you can use this in /etc/pkgmk.conf as a workaround:01:00
beli3verwhat does this option?01:01
teK_it tries to download from our mirrors first01:02 and belong to crux devs01:02
beli3verah ok01:02
beli3verthat is an info that should be in the wiki01:06
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brian|lfsI haven't use Filezilla in years02:45
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.4]: llvm-32: 6.0.1 -> 7.0.003:30
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beli3verI too, but I need to test something for a client04:45
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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.4]: [notify] asterisk 13.17.2 -> 13.23.109:07
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.4]: asterisk-extra-sounds-en-ulaw: 1.5 -> 1.5.209:07
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.4]: asterisk-extra-sounds-en-alaw: 1.5 -> 1.5.209:07
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.4]: asterisk-core-sounds-en-ulaw: 1.6 -> 1.6.109:07
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.4]: asterisk-core-sounds-en-alaw: 1.6 -> 1.6.109:07
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.4]: update signatures09:14
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.4]: pjsua: 2.4 -> 2.609:14
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.4]: pjsip: 2.4 -> 2.609:14
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.4]: pjproject: 2.4 -> 2.609:14
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pedjaheh. the more kernel devs patch for CPU vulns, the slower my CPU gets. thanks, Intel10:53
pedjaand it's not like it has a lot of overhead to begin with10:54
frinnstI actually had a dream last night that spectrev12 was made public and it was ONLY for amd cpus11:04
frinnstthe performance was more than halved11:04
frinnstACTION has the best dreams11:04
frinnstpedja: no mail I take it? guess its really lost :(11:08
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frinnst13:13 <@frinnst> pedja: no mail I take it? guess its really lost :(11:08
deus_exI think so too :(11:08
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pedjasorry for wasting your money, frinnst11:10
joacimi had an interesting dream too, but i dont think it suits this channel11:11
pedjadoes it involve pirates?11:11
joacimwas like a map + monsters from heretic11:12
pedjaIntel would *love* a bug that hits only AMD11:14
pedjaGN mentioned that Samsung is winding down DRAM production, so RAM prices could stay high.11:17
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pedjanice. xfce implemented monitor profiles. now I just need more than one monitor :)11:48
pedjanew libvirt release, old annoying build fail at linking stage.12:23
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jaegerheh, mate-system-monitor gives up on coloring cores/threads differently when it hits 1615:00
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.4]: [notify] firefox: updated to 62.0.315:42
cruxbot[opt.git/3.4]: [notify] firefox-pa: updated to 62.0.315:42
frinnstthey ran out of paint :(15:43
frinnstis that a threadripper?15:43
jaegerhaha, looks that way15:51
jaegerYes, it is. a 2950X15:51
frinnstnice when did you get that?15:51
frinnstim out of the loop these days it seems D;15:51
jaegerlast thursday15:51
frinnstlooks pretty tasty. motherboard?15:52
jaegerwent with the asrock taichi, I've been very happy with all my asrock boards15:52
frinnstahh right, remember that picture15:52
pedjajaeger, you should send a patch upstream for that :)15:52
jaegerI might, if I get bored15:53
frinnstecc ram?15:53
jaegernah, didn't feel like going ECC15:53
pedjaone of the base16 schemes would look nice with that15:53
pedjawhat's the price diff between ecc/non-ecc these days?15:54
frinnstjesus christ. asus rog zenith extreme costs 7134SEK15:54
frinnstACTION is looking at related items15:54
jaegerdamn, that's like 790USD, crazy15:55
frinnstdamn ram is really expensive. looks like I bought mine at the right time15:55
jaegerYeah, RAM is nuts still15:55
pedjasad times when 150$ for 32Gb is a 'bargain'15:56
frinnstmaybe I should sell 32gb and make up what I spent for my 64gb15:56
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pedjahm. 32Gb + 2700x = 610$16:03
joacimpedja: never really saw a difference between ecc and non-ecc udimms. rdimms are very cheap on ebay tho16:08
joacimstill waiting for prices to drop so i can get more ram for my threadripper16:09
pedjathat's unlikely to happen anytime soon, according to pretty much everyone :)16:14
joacimi somehow feel the max ram of high end platforms have been going down too16:15
joacimmaybe brainfart idk16:16
joacim128GB, 256GB if RDIMM16:17
pedja16/32 seem to be common. 64+, not so much. it's expensive af16:17
joacim128GB, only lists support for UDIMM16:17
joacimi dont see myself using that much tho16:17
joacim32GB is enough for me, but 64GB would let me be less careful about virtual machines16:18
joacimwith 32GB I get to be careful about that damn MSSQL machine16:18
pedjamssql for Linux?16:19
pedjamaybe frinnst would sell you 32gb for a fair price :)16:21
joacimfor the windows server16:22
pedja'fair' being just the arm, and not the leg too16:22
joacimI'd like the cl14 3200 MHz FlareX kit so I can get a matching set16:22
joacimI can take other sets too, but then I'll need a complete 64GB kit16:22
pedjais that Corsair kit?16:23
joacimgskill i think16:23
joacimi like their other set that has the rgb16:23
joacimbut without the rgb16:23
joacimthink they look normal enough16:23
joacimtrident z16:24
pedja' error: template with C linkage' and what am I supposed to do with that information?16:28
tilmanyou remove the c linkage thing and hope that pacifies the compiler16:30
tilmanlook for extern "C"16:30
pedjatilman, I understood maybe 3 words from that sentence :)16:35
tilmanpedja: does the error message refer to a file where the error was found?16:38
cruxbot[xorg.git/3.4]: libglvnd: updated to version 1.1.016:38
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.4]: libglvnd-32: updated to version 1.1.016:38
tilmangrep 'extern "C"' thatfile16:38
tilmanpedja: or link the tarball and pastebin the error message16:39
tilmangotta run16:39
pedjatilman, thanks. I'll try to figure it out on my own first, and then I'll bother you :)16:40
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deep42thoughtHi, I have problems compiling firefox in my 10GB tmpfs - increasing to 12GB works, but I really don't like this, as I only have 12GB ram. Is there an alternative (for future builds)?18:52
pitilloswap file instead of tmpfs?18:57
deep42thoughtis there an easy way to only build firefox outside of the tmpfs?18:57
joacimnot use tmpfs for your work-dir?19:18
deep42thoughtthe workdir is shared between the packages19:19
Anselmocould also try zram to extend effective memory size19:20
deep42thoughthmm, easiest way is probably to umount the tmpfs before building firefox19:22
joacimor just not use tmpfs for your work-dir =)19:22
deep42thoughtthe idea was to accellerate the builds by building in ram19:23
joacimis the time saved worth it compared to the time spent on head aches with large projects like firefox?19:24
Anselmois there a reason you can't use swap ?19:24
deep42thoughtI don't understand what swap has to do with this :-/19:25
deep42thoughtcan I increase the tmpfs to more than physical ram size if I use swap?19:25
deep42thoughtah, ok, thanks, I learned something19:27
pitilloand what's the benefit of increasing tmpfs if you just add a swap file?19:27
deep42thoughtyou'll be on ram as long as it's possible19:28
pitillowhen tmpfs is full (like ram) then the system swaps to disk... may be am I losing something?19:28
pitilloadding swap should do the same... the system doesn't swap when there is not enought ram, doesn' it?19:28
Anselmoif you just add a swapfile and you define tmpfs as say, 2G, you can have arbitrarily much memory and wont use it for the tmpfs19:29
Anselmodepends how swappy its set to be, you can make it favour swap over everything if you want19:29
AnselmoI've seen people do this for zram (compressed ram stuff) so you can use a swap partition running on that in place of memory19:29
Anselmofor example19:29
pitillosounds reasonable... checking the system I've always saw full ram and thwn it started swapping to disk19:30
AnselmoI think thats largely a 'sane default', and its surely what most people want most of the time19:31
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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.4]: go: updated to version 1.11.120:32
joacim"Support of Gnome 2 desktop was removed" Didn't expect to see that in 2018 =)22:37

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