IRC Logs for #crux Thursday, 2018-11-08

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nelaHas anyone had any luck setting up CRUX on digital ocean? specifically installing cloudinit on CRUX (
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ryuonela: never tried it.05:50
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jaegerNor have I, though I have a crux vps at linode05:55
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.4]: samba: update to 4.9.212:27
cruxbot[opt.git/3.4]: dialog: update to 1.3-2018110712:27
cruxbot[core.git/3.4]: nasm: update to 2.1412:28
nela@ryuo @jaeger awesome! will report back if I make progress..12:46
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mayfrostI don't see a /et/network/interfaces file13:30
mayfrosthow can I make hotplug USB internet?13:31
john_cephalopodamayfrost: Have you built the USB internet interface modules?13:32
mayfrostyeah, I think I marked that on kernel built13:36
pedjaI wonder if packer DO builder combined with some provisioner can be used to build Crux image for DO13:39
mayfrostyeah, ARM devices for USB thethering are marked13:43
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ryuomayfrost: i don13:52
ryuomayfrost: i don't think CRUX's system was built for hotplug in mind.13:53
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joacimmayfrost: could do that with network manager14:02
mayfrostryuo: is there any workaround?14:04
mayfrostjoacim: I rather not use network manager right now14:04
Anselmothis is like, for a usb wifi dongle ?14:04
mayfrostphone tethering14:05
AnselmoI've never done that, but I mean, cant you like, writeup some scripts that do it, that can be triggered by some shellcommand/cronjob/something14:06
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mayfrostnot sure if I have the know how to know where to start14:06
SiFuhpedja: here?14:07
SiFuhYou are good with google. I am trying to find a manual for an ALbert Nestler A-G. No 9 Slide Rule.14:08
SiFuhI don't care if it is in German Language either14:09
mayfrostmmm, I don't see the USB device with ip link14:19
frinnstwhat kind of a device is it?14:21
mayfrostandroid phone14:21
pedjaSiFuh, I guess you could start here :)14:25
SiFuhpedja: cool!  I was reading the No 17 in German but it is slightly different from the No 914:27
frinnstmayfrost: have you set up udev rules for it?14:27
frinnstjust omit the RUN stuff14:27
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pedjaSiFuh, I had no idea there is such a thing as 'slide rule' collector :). cool, I guess14:29
SiFuhYeah, I was telling the Slackware guys that the existence of a slide rule was only brought to my attention for about 5 minutes and never learned how to use one. I have always been curious and now that I have one in my possession I am wishing I had a manual for.14:30
SiFuhThat site you sent me is huge!14:31
pedjawouldn't books about the general use at least get you started?14:31
pedjathey can't be *that* different14:32
SiFuhI already figured out multiplication and division. But no, there are lots of differences and even more advanced calculations14:33
pedjathink I saw a friend using it once. seemed...complicated14:36
SiFuhI was reading this document about them14:37
mayfrostfrinnst: I do tethering on another computer usually14:37
mayfrostbut I see the problem might be on kernel configuration14:37
pedjaSiFuh, well, fuck :) now I have to find where mine is stashed to play with it14:43
pedjaI think it's this one
pedjaI guess this is the one you have?
SiFuhI have this one
SiFuhThe second, third, fourth and fifth row I understand.  First and Sixth row I haven't looked into yet and the otherside of the centre piece that has Sin and Tan and angles I haven't looked at yet.14:54
SiFuhThe underneath is just a ruler14:55
pedjapretty ingenious piece of tech14:56
john_cephalopodaReminds me of sliding calipers. Those are incredible.14:57
john_cephalopodaAlthough they are pretty simple, you can read distances extremely exact.14:57
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pedjastaedtler, faber castell. it's been decades since I last heard those names14:58
john_cephalopodaThey are both German, aren't they?14:59
SiFuhI have a g-clamp micrometer that i got from Grandfather. I think it is genius tech as well.14:59
john_cephalopodaAll my erasers are from Staedtler. And I still got a lot of Faber Castell color pencils. Used those at school.15:00
john_cephalopodaI even got a special edition eraser from Staedtler, which I bought in Italy :þ15:01
SiFuhLooks something like this
john_cephalopodaI first used a sliding caliper when I had to cut out some mounting board for an electronic assembly during an internship. Not sure what I even did with it, but it was fun.15:03
pedjaah. we had something similar in the machine shop I used to work ages ago15:04
SiFuhjohn_cephalopoda: oh yeah, they are awesome. I was even thinking about getting one today but then I remembered that my friend bought one and it rusted. I was then thinking where I could buy one that would not rust since Australia is full of cheap junk these days.15:05
SiFuhjohn_cephalopoda: these days I still use the G-Clamp style one from my grandfather and convert the inches over to metric.15:06
john_cephalopodaI really enjoyed making that mounting board. It was actually not really required from me, but the people there just let me try out what I had fun with, showed me the machines and let me cut the board.15:06
jaegerrestoring the rusted one might be an interesting project15:06
john_cephalopodaSiFuh: My brother is an industrial mechanic. He said that those sliding calipers are kinda outdated and I should get a digital one if I wanted one. Not sure if he was trolling me or if he was being serious though.15:07
pedjacan Firefox be considered rusted, since it's using rust for some parts?15:07
john_cephalopoda(Digital -> also sliding caliper but with a digital display)15:07
john_cephalopodapedja: Good question. And will Rust go away when you load the WD-40 website?15:08
SiFuhMy Uncle had a rusted bowie knife. I heated it up in the fire until it was glowing red. I then quickly cooled the tip and slowly cooled the blade. It turned out the blue in colour when I was finished and after I sharpened it my Uncle saw it and was imporessed. He still carries it to this day with him.15:09
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john_cephalopodaACTION imagine some older guy with a bowie knife in hand, sneaking through the city and buying bread and milk15:10
SiFuhjohn_cephalopoda: Well I can still use sliding calipers when your brothers calibers get a flat battery.15:10
SiFuhjohn_cephalopoda: This is Thailand. Out in the countryside15:11
john_cephalopodaSiFuh: I think those are always a combined sliding caliper. They have the scale as a back-up and an extra display for extremely precise measurements (and for ones when you are too lazy to read the scale)15:11
john_cephalopodaACTION imagines some older guy standing on a country road all day with a bowie knife in hand, looking angrily at people who drive by15:11
john_cephalopodaDo you know ThisOldTony on youtube? He is machining parts and welding stuff. I believe he is mostly self-taught and he makes pretty interesting videos.15:12
SiFuhjohn_cephalopoda: "colinfurze". I liked the 600CC dodgemcar and the jet turbine bicycle and I like to watch "The King of Random"15:16
john_cephalopodaOh, yeah, I saw some stuff by Colinfurze but only some random stuff that was linked by others.15:17
SiFuhI actually enjoy watching people build stuff on youtube. Makes me wish I had all the machinery and the money cause there are some things I seriously want to test build15:18
SiFuhThe world is probably a safer place without me doing that stuff15:18
john_cephalopodaDo you know Wintergatan?15:21
john_cephalopodaYou probably know the video where a guy is playing a giant instrument that uses marbles to make music. The "Marble Machine".15:22
SiFuhno idea15:22
SiFuhbut it was the first video to pop up15:22
john_cephalopodaHe is building the "Marble Machine X" right now, an improved version of the first machine. More sophisticated and made in a way that makes it possible for him to go on tour with it.15:22
john_cephalopodaIt's a big machine, so quite some project management comes into the mix in the latest videos.15:24
SiFuhjohn_cephalopoda: my idiot flat earth theory brother saw it and says it is fake, it is cgi and he is playing an audio file hidden off screen  hahaha15:30
john_cephalopodaHow can the earth be flat if our eyes aren't flat?15:31
jaegerYou told him about the cats, right? *incontrovertible* proof15:32
john_cephalopodaI don't know how people can believe in the flat earth theories. Why would somebody invent all those shitty projections (Mercator, Winkel-Tripel, etc) if it was _that_ easy?15:39
SiFuhI told him that if the earth was flat then how come every other celestial body is round. How come there is 24 hours of daylight in the arctic whilst 24 hours of darkness in Antarctica and visa versa. If the was flat how can it be possible for Quantas to fly from Melbourne direct to Johannesburg?  He replied "The planets don't exist. Have you ever been to Antarctica? and the Quantas flight is a lie, and so is15:40
SiFuhI pulled out a pair of binoculars and said to him that ISIS is passing soon, get ready to look. He flately refused to look because it ia fake projection and it is impossible to see with binoculars and the human eye. I told him I can see the ISIS and it's solar panels with my binoculars.15:42
pankeriniI prefer to believe in the Time Cube15:44
AnselmoI assume . . .15:44
SiFuhoh yeah    damn it annoys me when I mix those two up15:44
Anselmobut bleh,gosh15:46
Anselmopeople are weird15:46
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SiFuhyeah it is true. The worst part is he persistent and goes on like a mosquito trying to get your blood. It causing my parents to start doubting themselves and I told him "Stop preaching things you can't prove" he says he can prove it but everytime he speaks I can reply the same as him. "Have you been to space? Have you looked down upon the earth and seen it flat"   It is ok for him to say "Have you ever been15:50
SiFuhto Antarctica?" but I can't reverse it on him.15:50
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ryuoSiFuh: it's pointless to argue with idiots.15:51
Anselmobut in this case its not like, seeking out crazypeople but persistently comming into contact with a particular person it sounds like. . .15:51
Anselmowho you cant exactlyjust like, quit talking to and never see again15:52
SiFuhryuo: he was so intelligent until that day he started reading the bible and took it literally word for word.15:52
Anselmohow old is he ?15:54
SiFuhThe absolute proof is the Gyroscope. ;-) He doesn't realize that gyscropes aren't just spinning wheels anymore. But I even had to buy one to show him why he is wrong, but aparently a video of a gyscrope is more proof than an actual gyscrope15:54
SiFuh4 years younger than wait, have to get the slide rule. 36 years old15:54
SiFuhpedja: got to show the comment on slackware.  SiFuh: "It also does not do regular addition and subtraction" JustASlacker> "well, if you have a lot of slide rules you can do addition and subtraction with them"15:56
pedjayup, looks flat all right
Anselmoif it were round why are there edges15:57
Anselmotake that, '''''science'''''!15:58
pedjaSiFuh, he does have a point :)15:59
john_cephalopodapedja: So the Earth is located in Turkey?15:59
john_cephalopodaI can do addition and subtraction on a pocket calculator that is smaller than a slide ruler ;)16:00
pedjanot your flat-earther of the brother, JustASlacker16:01
Anselmowell, I can do addition and subtraction in my head, or with a pen :P16:03
john_cephalopodaBut can you do it with Le Pen?16:04
john_cephalopodaAlso your head is bigger than a slide ruler :þ16:04
Anselmoyour head + a slide ruler, is larger than either ^^16:05
SiFuhwhat about Sin Tan and Cos ?16:05
SiFuhA ruler that can do that is just cool16:05
Anselmoand I've never met le pen, I assume she also knows some math16:05
Anselmobut she is not my (slide) ruler16:05
pedjato paraphrase Linus, 'next kernel might be 5.0, I am running out of fingers'16:05
john_cephalopodaAnselmo: She went to some elite college, I believe, so she probably knows some.16:05
john_cephalopodapedja: :D16:05
AnselmoI reckon nearly everyone knows some . . . .16:05
john_cephalopodaDepends on how you define "some".16:06
john_cephalopodaMany people never went to school and have no formal education. Other people have an education but issues with even simple calculations.16:07
Anselmowe were speaking of addition and subtraction, I thought,16:07
pedjaSin Tan? is that your Thai name, SiFuh :) ?16:07
john_cephalopodaSome guy from the 2f30 project is called "sin" on IRC.16:07
Anselmowhich at least some understanding of seems pretty basic to a lot of things . . .16:07
Anselmooh, I know sin16:07
pedjaall 7 of them?16:07
Anselmothat sin that is ^^16:08
Anselmoalso some of the triangular sins,16:08
Anselmobut never was good at remembering all the equivalences16:08
SiFuhI use Sin Tan and Cos when I am working on the farm and have to put a net around a tree.16:09
john_cephalopoda"Christians fear trigonometry because of the sin. Irish people fear trigonometry because they burn instead of getting a tan. All other people also fear trigonometry. You ask why? Just cos."16:09
john_cephalopodaDoes anybody draw digitally? There's the #kritachallenge Monthly Drawing Challenge (which I organize):
john_cephalopodaSo when you use the free/libre krita drawing program (or want to test it) you can join there.16:11
SiFuhIf I stand away from a tree at 4.7meters I look up to the top of the tree at 45 degress. My eyes are 1.67 meteres above the ground. tan(45 degrees) x 4.7 + 1.6 = a tree of 6.369 meters high16:11
Anselmodo you have krita on crux ?16:12
john_cephalopodaThere is a tool for doing that called "Försterdreieck" in German.16:12
AnselmoI have occasionally tried for it but generally given up -_-16:12
john_cephalopodaAnselmo: I got a package locally. I could package it and push it to my repo soon.16:12
SiFuhjohn_cephalopoda: cool   but i already spend money to feed myself. :-) I am sure my brain can do the rest. But still cool!16:13
AnselmoI'd be interested, I used to use it a little, but I dont have a tablet x-x16:13
SiFuhdra3w digitally?16:13
AnselmoI should draw more. . . .but lately most of my like, imageish stuff is mostly photography16:13
john_cephalopodaSiFuh: With a drawing tablet.16:14
SiFuhjohn_cephalopoda: I usually draw by hand, scan it onto the computer, and then colour it online. Hang on,  will show you one of my pictures.16:14
john_cephalopodaSiFuh: Krita has a pretty nice coloring tool built-in.16:14
Anselmoanyways, I had best be off,16:14
SiFuhI just use gimp16:23
john_cephalopodaHeh, nice.16:23
SiFuhI always found it faster to just draw it by hand (Black and white) scan, and then colourise it on the PC16:25
pedjaI'd love to see what you can do with the Grease Pencil in Blender-2.816:26
SiFuhI have the original scans, and the original drawings on paper but I am not uploading that :-P because anyone poaches my work, I have the proof it is my work16:26
SiFuhpedja: I went from Herpetologist to Cartoonist to Mechanic to Comp Science and Elect Engineer16:27
pedjaquite a journey16:28
SiFuhDo you guys remember the Tostitos advertisement of a dog and a gecko?16:29
SiFuhThe gecko was mine and was stolen by them all because my grandmother decided to throw out the cartoon of a gecko I made for her. The only difference with the gecko is that mine was a purple gray colour and the tostitos gecko was purple.16:30
SiFuhThe dog, I don't know. I never drew dogs much and it looked nothing like mine.16:31
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SiFuhjohn_cephalopoda: I am watching some dude post a pasta machine to ThisOldTony and it is funny that he is missing his pasta machine.16:49
SiFuhI am loving this16:50
pedjaThisOldTony? he has some great CNC videos17:02
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SiFuhI just wish he'd not talk as much as me ;-)17:04
SiFuhor atleast talk faster17:05
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pedjashow, don't tell :)17:06
SiFuhI made videos on installing linux distros like slackware, configuring the evil polkit and so forth I don't even talk. I just click click click and upload.17:07
SiFuhMy friends watch it and figure it out as it goes.17:07
pedjadepends on the subject/personality of the person making the tutorial, I guess.17:09
pedjaI watched some tutorials about stuff I am not interested in just because the person doing it is fun to listen to17:09
SiFuhLike that annoying british guy who builds crap ;-)
pedjaheh. looks like something guys from Top Gear would do :)17:13
SiFuhI watched this one17:14
pedja'classic' TG, not this new crap17:14
SiFuhwas incredible that this guy can do this kind of things.17:14
SiFuhpersonality and engineering are not hand in hand17:15
pedjaMr. Bean is an electrical engineer by trade :)17:21
SiFuhi loved his work though17:22
SiFuhhe was a perfectonist like me17:22
SiFuhmy father makes shit and fscks up often.. Me, I am different. My idiot brother too. We calculate everything. Then go... it is rubbish and modify our designs.  We often laugh at the amount of mistakes my poor father makes.17:23
pedjaiirc, quite a few UK stand-up comedians have an engineering degree17:23
SiFuhHe tries, and he did most of this house. So we can't complain17:23
SiFuhpedja: Young MC has a degree in economics ;-)17:24
pedja'I have not failed. I've joust found 10.000 ways that won't work'17:25
SiFuhThomas Edison was a fool17:25
SiFuh <- check the end result17:25
SiFuhI like how he turns a dodgem car into a 600cc Reliant Robin ;-)17:29
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mayfrostwhat happened with the 6c37 repo?17:59
mayfrostI don't see it in the ports search anymore17:59
frinnstall the developers left18:00
frinnstiirc they asked for it to get unlisted18:00
frinnstyou can still find it on github18:00
mayfrosthow do I sync a repo with github?18:01
frinnst lists a couple of github repos, check their httpup file and use that as a base18:03
frinnstfor example18:03
mayfrostok thanks18:03
joacimcan still just clone it and maintain stuff on your own tho18:23
mayfrostjoacim: yeah, I am learning how to making ports first18:26
mayfrostplan on maintaining a few18:26
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john_cephalopodaAnselmo: Uh, right, I'll package all the deps and ship krita in my repo in the next days. Will take some time to package all of them.19:16
john_cephalopodaI used 6c37 for some of the deps but that one is offline now.19:17
Anselmoits still up on git hub, just unlisted onthe portdb cause unmaintained19:18
Anselmobut neato, I'll try and remember to check and install it when you do ^_^19:19
john_cephalopodaYeah, I'll write packages from scratch.19:19
john_cephalopodaI'll ping you when it's ready.19:19
Anselmomersi :319:19
john_cephalopodanp :319:19
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