IRC Logs for #crux Monday, 2018-11-26

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mayfrostanybody with crux on their laptop? I installed mine on an old thinkpad17:18
john_cephalopodamayfrost: Yup, got CRUX on my DELL laptop.17:19
joacimi run crux on mine17:19
frinnstlaptops are evil17:19
frinnstnow get off my lawn!17:20
mayfrostthe thinkpad has its wifi roasted so can't use wifi though17:20
mayfrostusing ethernet only is painful17:20
joacimif just the card, can probably find a replacement17:21
joacimwhich thinkpad is it?17:21
joacimis that the one with the blacklist?17:21
joacimt500 can be librebooted tho, i think17:21
mayfrostnot sure17:21
joacimmy t420 has a blacklist, so i have to pay attention to which card i get17:22
mayfrostI might be me the one breaking the card though17:22
mayfrostbeen cleaning the machine17:22
mayfrosttoo bad because I was rushing to make some ports and this slows me down17:23
mayfrostbtw I need to make Perl modules17:24
joacimbeen meaning to encrypt my root, and make it so i have to use a password when waking from hibernate or sleep17:25
mayfrostsounds like filesystem encrytion17:26
mayfrostnot sure how to make it promt for a password17:27
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joacimlockers / screensavers can do that i think17:36
joacimbut to make that run as a regular user instead so i dont have to type in the root password17:36
pedjahack something up with pam/yubikey, perhaps :)17:55
joacimcould use the fingerprint reader18:11
frinnstgotta love scewed snmp measurements: disk space threshold: 1634.5% used (-21.7GB free)18:26
frinnstsilly quotas18:26
john_cephalopodaFingerprint readers aren't good security18:34
joacimtoeprint then18:34
john_cephalopodaMost of them can be easily tricked with a fake fingerprint (e.g. one taken from a glass you touched during a conference).18:34
john_cephalopodaAlso it's really easy for law enforcement to just unlock your phone without your collaboration.18:35
john_cephalopodaOr a thief.18:35
john_cephalopodaForce the person to press their finger against the device, done.18:35
joacimall theyll find is my weeb shit18:35
john_cephalopodajoacim: Maybe they're into it.18:35
joacimthen we have something to talk about =)18:35
john_cephalopodaWell, if you want to encrypt your root but unlock it with fingerprint, you could as well just rot13 all your files.18:38
joacimcould use does not mean I will use18:38
joacimi dont want to discuss how weak fingerprints are18:38
joacimi dont care18:38
john_cephalopodaJust saying that encrypting and then using such a weak method for securing it would kinda beat the purpose of encrypting.18:46
joacimthere is no strong security like that18:46
joacimyou can lose your authenticator, people can see your password, people can harvest your thumb18:47
joacima physical key can be replicated from a photo too18:47
john_cephalopodaThumbs are just not really good at authenticating people because you leave perfect reproductions of that pattern literally everywhere, and forcing you to give it to somebody against your will is trivial.18:48
joacimsame for passwords and authenticators18:48
john_cephalopodaOf course people can read your PIN or password, but they have to be close by or install a camera in a place where you enter the password.18:49
john_cephalopodaAlso forcing you to give them your password against your will is hard.18:49
joacimif they really want in, theyll do that18:50
joacimor just wait until you unlock it then run off with your laptop18:50
john_cephalopodaHolding the phone into your face or against your finger can happen against your will and leaves no real traces. But getting a password is more complicated. You can just say "no" and they will have to use very illegal methods to get it.18:50
john_cephalopodaThat might be relevant when you are controlled at the border.18:51
joacimwhich law enforcement have been known to do when dealing with criminals. harvest evidence from an unlocked device so they dont have to bother about the password18:51
john_cephalopodaHeard many horror stories from the US border.18:51
joacimdont travel with illegal stuff on your body18:51
joacimif you cared, could also get a disposable laptop for travel18:52
john_cephalopodaACTION . o O ( USA makes boobs illegal, 120000 women arrested for carrying illegal stuff on their body )18:52
joacimin australia, no boobs is illegal18:52
john_cephalopodaIn Australia, everything is illegal.18:53
john_cephalopodaThere is a show about Australian customs on TV from time to time. They are super-concerned about their super-dangerous wildlife.18:53
john_cephalopoda"No! Orchids! They could kill all our adorable blue-ringed octopi!"18:53
joacimi dont like it when people bring in fancy spicy food here18:58
joacimthose swedish ideas dont belong here18:58
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mayfrostI've got a warning during compilation20:27
mayfrostit says "bsdtar: *: Cannot stat: No such file or directory"20:27
mayfrostit compiles but I would like to eliminate this warning20:27
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stratactWhat's the difference between refreshing the signature and updating it?20:51
tilmanmayfrost: you didn't install your stuff to $PKG20:52
mayfrostI have DESTDIR=$PGK20:55
mayfrostwhere else do I set $PKG20:55
jaegerdid you spell it $PGK? that would be the problem20:55
jaegerstratact: what do you mean by refreshing?20:56
mayfrostsorry, it is $PKG20:56
jaegercheck the Makefile, then, make sure it actually supports DESTDIR20:57
stratactjaeger: pkgmk -rs vs pkgmk -us20:57
jaegeraccording to the man page, it updates the signature but not the sha256sums. never used that one before20:58
stratactHmm, I see, so I'll use -us instead then21:16
mayfrostok, BINDIR replaces DESTDIR in Elvis21:19
mayfrostthanks jaeger21:19
pedjait's getting crowded on Mars :)21:23
pedja<insert the usual 'humanity should spend more money on space exploration than on inventing yet another way to kill people' rant>21:27
pedjahow much money has sunk into f-35? 30 billion $?21:27
pedjasorry about OT :)21:31
john_cephalopodapedja: I'd pay 30 billion $ to shoot Trump to Venus.21:35
john_cephalopodaWould be totally worth it.21:36
saptechhello all21:36
saptechI'll donate to the shoot trump to anyplace21:37
saptechI have my Mate running smoothly now, but I must be missing some themes or something21:39
saptechwhen using openbox, and if I run some Mate apps, such as Pluma editor, the icons for the menu at the top of window is not displayed21:40
saptechany idea how to have that showing?21:41
joacimcould be a gtk setting. if only labels show21:41
saptechyes, just labels with a square box for the icons21:42
saptechone of those gtk engines I guess21:44
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pedjainteresting read23:08
pedjaif you know German, that is :)23:09
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saptechI'm having a hard time with this signature mismatch error: How to solve it?23:16
saptechcan't open /etc/ports/mate.sec for reading. No such file23:23
frinnstyou cant sign a port with someone elses key23:28
frinnstregarding your issue it seems like an maintainer oversight23:28
frinnstjust use -is to ignore the signature - since it's only .footprint and has nothing to do with security23:29
frinnstpoke jaeger to fix it23:29
mayfrosthow to create a signature if I am the mantainer?23:29
mayfrosttried pkgmk -us23:29
ryuoACTION pokes jaeger with a *long* stick.23:29
ryuoI poked the ogre.23:29
ryuoACTION runs.23:30
frinnstcheck the "Key Handling" part23:30
saptechfrinnst, ok, thanks23:34
jaegerThe signature looks ok here, I'm assuming that was post-local-edit23:36
mayfrostfirst script in the wiki worked but not second23:53
mayfrosthad to go under each port tree to generate signature23:54
mayfrostoh, the second script is for updating not creating23:55

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