IRC Logs for #crux Saturday, 2018-12-01

jaegerIt really is one of the more mystifying problems I've seen00:00
pedjaat least they consistently fail :)00:00
jaegerheh, yeah00:00
pedjaannoyingly, render issue with blender and my gpu is not consistent. sometimes it works, sometimes don't00:06
pedjadowngrading to 9.1 is PITA, so I'll just wait for Nvidia to hopefully fix their shit00:07
pedjaby that time I might have something worth rendering :)00:07
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pedjacute. to be able to enable an option for the dependency, first I have to rebuild llvm, clang and boost. nah, I don't need that application *that* much00:52
pedjawhat's RTTI, anyway?00:52
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saptechI created an .Xresources file to customize xterm with a black background & white foreground, then I ran 'xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources'01:17
saptechI get the results I want. But after a reboot or logout & login, it doesn't keep01:18
saptechI have to run xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources again01:18
saptechwhat am I missing for it to stick01:18
saptechreading Arch wiki it states to add this line to .xinitrc, "[[ -f ~/.Xresources ]] && xrdb -merge -I$HOME ~/.Xresources", which I did but it's still  not working01:22
joacimsaptech: try rename it to .Xdefaults02:06
saptechjoacim, do I need to logout & in again?02:14
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saptechjoacim, renaming it work02:16
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joacimnice =)02:19
joacimi dont think you need to login again02:19
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saptechjoacim, thanks...i just logged out anyway03:14
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abenzSynology seems to recommend btrfs!03:52
abenzfrinnst: ^03:52
abenzso production ready or not, seems many people use it in production now03:52
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frinnstabenz: not all parts of btrfs are "read"08:02
frinnstbut a lot of stuff has been stable for years08:02
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pedjaI sure hopes so, it's has been in development what, a decade?12:42
pedjasame as wayland :)12:43
pedjawayland is...weird, imho12:44
pedjahell, arcan has more feature parity with xorg, and it has been developed way shorter then wayland12:48
pedjaI guess Crux will do what was done with pulseaudio and pam. wait for it to mature before integrating it. (yes, pulseaudio works, shut up :))12:51
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ryuoeh, i guess i must seem weird. i've been a ZFS happy camper for awhile.14:08
ryuoalso, TIL php has an REPL mode.14:11
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ryuoNo wonder PHP has such a bad rap... it's overflowing with people that still write code vulnerable to SQL injections.14:21
pedjacan't that be said for any language popular enough?14:22
ryuopedja: not entirely, but fair enough.14:23
ryuopedja: some languages will tear you apart if you're careless.14:23
ryuoE.g., C14:23
john_cephalopodaIs there a language that won't tear you apart if you're careless?14:24
john_cephalopodaAlso what are the alternatives to PHP? Are they really better?14:24
ryuoYes... Java.14:24
pedjaafaik, that still doesn't stop people writing bad C code :)14:24
john_cephalopodaryuo: Servelets? Great!14:25
ryuoNo, i meant that to your original question.14:25
john_cephalopodaAh. Makes sense :þ14:25
pedjaah, sorry. caffeine levels are getting low14:25
ryuopedja: true, but it's a lot more obvious to the casual observer if you're really incompetent with C.14:25
john_cephalopodaryuo: Still there are many things one can do wrong in Java. And even when you do everything right, you still have all the bugs in the JRE.14:26
ryuomy C programs used to blow up in ways you couldn't really fail to notice.14:26
ryuoSEGFAULT, printing complete jibberish, ...14:27
ryuojohn_cephalopoda: indeed.14:27
ryuoit's just jawdropping how common SQL injections still are.14:27
stratactNo language can stop you from logic programming errors14:28
ryuoindeed. how does it know what you intend to do?14:28
ryuofor all it knows, it's perfectly normal to amputate both arms and legs for a cold diagnosis.14:28
pedjaso when google programs AI to solve the overpopulation problem, it will just launch a nuclear attack, wiping 3/4 of the population14:29
pedjaproblem solved14:29
john_cephalopodaryuo: It is really, really simple to sanitize input in PHP.14:32
pedjait's an interesting issue. how do you control something way smarter than you? and general AI won't take much time to get that way14:32
ryuoyou're assuming that's even possible. so far we've only managed very specialized applications.14:33
john_cephalopodapedja: A general AI will probably tell us to stop polluting the environment. So what then? We figured that out orselves but nobody gives a fuck.14:33
pedjaI know, general AI has been '10 years away' for 50 years :)14:34
john_cephalopodaA general AI will most likely never be used to make ethical decisions. That would be just dumb.14:34
stratactLike voting machines14:35
pedjabut it's an interesting idea to think about, nevertheless, imho14:35
ryuohm. i wonder. what would be more ethical? management or some AI?14:35
john_cephalopodaMore likely it will have to talk to people with dementia all day because nobody else will, pick up trash or be used in a sex robot.14:35
ryuojohn_cephalopoda: "They're doing the jobs Americans don't want to."14:36
john_cephalopodaWhat do we use non-general AIs for today? Upscaling hentai, decensoring porn, generating art with dog faces in it, helping people to drive cars.14:37
ryuodon't forget advertising.14:37
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pedjaimagine this. if you push the button, 20000 people that AI identified as an obstacle to progress of humanity will die a painless death.14:37
john_cephalopodaRight, deciding if showing you an ad for coke light or for coke zero will bring more clicks.14:38
pedjawould you do it?14:38
john_cephalopodapedja: I would be convicted for murdering the US president ;þ14:38
john_cephalopodaBut seriously, I wouldn't do it.14:38
john_cephalopodaNothing justifies killing a person.14:39
stratactCareful, said president could be reading the logs on the crux website as we speak.14:39
john_cephalopodaHe can read?14:39
pedjamy president is more of the twitter/facebook guy :)14:39
ryuoYep. It makes George Bush look dumb.14:40
stratactjohn_cephalopoda: ...probably not, he'd hire someone do it for him14:40
ryuopedja: Here's a follow up to your question. How do you know you wouldn't be one of them?14:40
john_cephalopodastratact: Most likely he'd hire some right-wing guy who has been accused for rape a few dozen times for that, as I know him.14:41
pedjayou don't14:41
pedjaor someone from your family or friends14:41
ryuoI asked that because it's the only thing many people care about.14:41
pedjait would be too easy without a personal stake :)14:42
john_cephalopodaIt is not a limited number of people who hinder progress.14:42
john_cephalopodaIt's political currents and thought patterns, and ultimately also political systems because even if 99% of the population agree on something the politicians still have to vote for it.14:43
pedjaryuo, and you are right. most people knowing that they won't be affected would smash that button real hard :)14:45
john_cephalopodaAnd if the 1% that doesn't want something to pass are rich, then it's really simple to convince politicians that not doing it would be better.14:45
joacimre: btrfs talk. Some commercial applications of btrfs uses it on top of linux md15:08
joacimthink that can avoid some of the known issues of your file system being stuck in read only mode if you lose a drive15:09
joacimnot sure if you benefit from other things like checksums, but you can use btrfs send, checkpoints, and subvolumes15:10
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frinnstsynology thought it would be a good idea to break send|receive compatability with upstream recently18:05
saptechgreetings all18:42
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saptechI can't seem to package this simple program. What does my 'source=($name/$name-$version.tar.gz) be? I keep getting, File not found message18:45
joacimjust have to buy another synology for backups then =)18:46
saptechok, thanks18:50
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