IRC Logs for #crux Monday, 2018-12-10

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frinnst I am a spyware software developer. Your account has been hacked by me in the summer of 2018.08:07
frinnst The hacking was carried out using a hardware vulnerability through which you went online (Cisco router, vulnerability CVE-2018-0296).08:07
frinnstinteresting, citing a CVE in the attempt08:07
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elderKfrinnst: A few of my friends have been getting similar kind of ... threats.08:30
elderK"Don't change your password! My malware will know!"08:30
elderKtoo08:30
frinnstyeah they have been going around for a while now. just never saw a specific vulnerability cited before08:41
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.4]: wine: fix build09:54
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elderKHey all, I figure you guys are probably already aware but wine has a build problem.11:36
elderKSimple fix: whoever made the package, renamed the wine directory.11:36
elderKBut later in the source, they still refer to it by the old name.11:36
elderKAh. I see, someone's already fixed it.11:36
elderKWeird - when I port -ued, I didn't get any changes.11:37
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.4]: [notify] firefox-pa: dropped. See https://lists.crux.nu/pipermail/crux/2018-October/005958.html17:11
cruxbot[opt.git/3.4]: [notify] firefox: dropped. See https://lists.crux.nu/pipermail/crux/2018-October/005958.html17:11
cruxbot[opt.git/3.4]: firefox-bin: updated to 64.017:11
cruxbot[opt.git/3.4]: [notify] cbindgen: dropped17:11
frinnstrip17:13
cruxbot[opt.git/3.4]: [notify] thunderbird: dropped. use thunderbird-bin17:14
cruxbot[opt.git/3.4]: [notify] rust: dropped17:14
cruxbot[opt.git/3.4]: [notify] autoconf-2.13: dropped17:15
tilmanwtf am i reading17:22
pedjawelcome to the dark side17:31
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ryuocan't say I blame people. apparently firefox's build system has become a hydra of sorts.17:36
tilmanISTR it required nodejs at some point :D:D:D17:37
joacimthere's still midori =)18:00
Anselmoqutebrowser is ok x-x18:04
ryuojoacim: midori? you're joking right? that thing crashes if you so much as look at it funny.18:08
Anselmo^^ thats my experience with midori, too . . .18:10
Anselmojust use lynx18:10
Anselmo:P18:10
joacimmy experience have been fine tbh18:11
Anselmodo you use the plugins ?18:11
joacimno18:15
Anselmomaybe that's what screwed mine up18:19
joacimmidori too have jumped to the trend of every release being a major one18:20
joacimversion 7.0 now. few more years and we have 4518:21
joacimthink rust might return due to librsvg?18:22
ryuojoacim: hm. it might be that I was using the older midori based on webkit1, which was notorious for crashes.18:31
joacimdifferent people might have different experiences too tho =)18:39
joacimseen lots of people shill for KDE, but that DE have always been horribly unstable on my systems18:39
jaegerA web browser has to crash or leak memory... it's part of  the design docs18:58
frinnstwhoever picks up librsvg can have the joy of maintaining rust19:01
Anselmooh gosh19:11
pedja'joy' is an interesting way to spell 'suicidal after a while'19:16
pedjaI've built librsvg with rust-bin, but I am too much of a chicken to try it :)19:17
pedjait builds sloooooowly, in case you we're wondering19:18
pedjahell, openblas, that builds for a bunch of cpu's arches, builds faster then it19:19
pedjaand the upstream bug tracker is full of 'breaks this, segfaults this, slow as shit' reports :)19:21
pedjayay progress19:21
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joacim"this project is pretty good now, works great. Time for a rewrite!"19:27
nullsixheya19:27
nullsixdid firefox was just pulled out from oficial 'opt' repo?19:28
joacimyeah in favour of firefox-bin19:28
joacimthe maintainer didn't feel like maintaining firefox and its silly dependencies anymore19:28
nullsixunderstood19:28
nullsixbut can i get the Pkgfile anywhere?19:30
pedjaopt git repo19:30
nullsixty19:30
pedjanp19:30
nullsixcrux rox btw xD19:32
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jaegerglad you like it :)20:12
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nullsixno sound on ff-bin (pulse only, right?)20:27
nullsixhate pa20:28
jaegerI believe that's the case20:37
frinnstlot nicer than clang, rust and nodejs21:20
cruxbot[opt.git/3.4]: xterm: updated to 338. Resolves FS#170621:22
john_cephalopoda*sigh*21:39
john_cephalopodaI wish we had the internet of 15 years back minus all the gifs and Flash applications.21:40
nullsixwe better sticky with w3m/lynx/curl21:42
nullsixand so21:42
AnselmoACTION wishes for the internet of 100 years ago21:43
nullsixwhy js anyway? dammit21:43
Anselmo:P21:43
Anselmoehh, I mean, JS seems to be probably useful for some things. . . .21:43
Anselmoits nice as a way to like, hash passwords before sending them and such, but I dont know21:44
nullsix...seens...21:44
Anselmobleah21:44
AnselmoI think, I could see something like JS being used occasionally in a nice implementation of the web.currently its probably over used, but there are a lot of other problems too21:45
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joacimyou guys can join my dialup bbs if you want, when i have that going22:13
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john_cephalopodajoacim: Phone calls are too expensive.22:45
john_cephalopodaImagine setting up a landline phone in every country and routing calls via the internet. You could offer super-low rates for calls into other countries.22:45
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dbrookeso I reluctantly installed pulseaudio to get sound with firefox-bin and now none of my other sound sources work if firefox/pulseaudio is running and vice versa, I've tried rebuilding things in case they needed pulse libs but with no luck, any ideas?22:53
john_cephalopodaThunderbird is also gone?22:53
joacimi didnt have any issues when i switched to PA22:53
john_cephalopodadbrooke: Have you tried apulse?22:53
jaegerI used to dislike pulse back when it was a pain in the ass to get working properly... now it's pretty easy and doesn't get in my way22:54
joacimi just installed pa22:54
Anselmooh, this is for audio in FF22:54
Anselmosomehow I've never really needed or wanted audio in a webbrowser x-x22:55
jaegerdbrooke: I generally don't rebuild things that use alsa to try to force them to use pulse, I make them work with alsa-plugins instead22:55
jaegerIf you install alsa-plugins (pulse will cause it to have NEW footprint mismatches) and configure asound.conf to use pulse by default, your alsa apps will just use alsa like they did before, and alsa-plugins will send it through pulse22:56
jaegerasound.conf is really simple for that, just http://ix.io/1vLc22:57
dbrookethat sounds like what I need, I'll give that a go22:57
jaegerIt works well, can play multiple streams and change volume or mute them individually, which are the features I like22:58
joacimi used alsa-plugins before to send alsas audio to ossv422:58
joacimworked well22:58
jaegersimilar thing here22:59
jaegerAnselmo: I'm sure fewer people would care about browser audio if not for netflix, youtube, and the like23:00
john_cephalopodaMostly netflix.23:03
john_cephalopodaFor youtube I can simply use youtube-dl (integrated into mpv)23:03
jaegersure, but the average joe isn't doing to do that23:04
Anselmoah huh23:04
jaegers/doing/going23:07
pedja.asoundrc that I have been using, for reference http://dpaste.com/12DGS1523:10
pedjaI hear that pavucontrol is quite nice, too :)23:10
joacimI don't have anything in mine23:11
nullsixpa sux23:11
nullsixfck poettering23:12
pedjano one is forcing you to use it23:13
nullsixnot using23:14
pedjahave you ever used it?23:14
nullsixyes23:14
pedjaah. so you stopped because of the issues you had?23:15
nullsixand never understand why another layer, it uses alsa in the end23:15
nullsixasoundrc is good for me23:16
pedjafair enough23:16
pedjaI've been using pa for couple of years now, no major issues I can think of. so it works for me[tm] :)23:18
nullsixits uneeded bloat23:18
dbrookewell I seemed to need pedja's config rather than jaeger's but I now have simultaneous sound back, thanks for the tips23:19
pedjanp. enjoy :)23:19
joacimi've had some issues with noise related to pa23:21
joacimbut not with pa directly23:21
pedjacrackling, that kind of thing?23:21
dbrookeI hope it doesn't still mess up using sound channels for software modems and I/Q signals from SDR (I last tried pa several years ago and never solved those issues)23:22
joacimyeah like crackling23:22
joacimhad a lot of that when adjusting the volume23:22
joacimand when certain applications were running23:22
pedjajoacim, you tried some tips from https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio/Troubleshooting#Glitches,_skips_or_crackling ?23:23
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joacimi had issues, not anymore =)23:24
joacimfixed it a long time ago. forgot what the fix was tho23:24
pedjaah :) OK23:24
dbrookeACTION crosses fingers and hopes for the best 8-)23:24
nullsixso much because mozilla stupidaly disable alsa in compile23:26
nullsixwhich would take a few bytes more on their releaso23:27
pedjadbrooke, if you have issues with sdr/modems, yell, we'll think of something :)23:27
dbrookenullsix: I don't disagree but it seems to be the lesser of the available selection of evil at the moment23:28
joacimwas it 3 different competing mainstream options way back when?23:29
pedjaaudio daemons?23:29
joacimyeah like esd and arts23:30
dbrookeI suspect it was resampling issues but attempts to disable that and match up the sink and source rates evaded me at the time, hopefully it has improved over the years23:30
joacimi rather have pa than esd and arts tbh23:30
joacimesd and arts were horrible23:31
pedjaI vaguely remember them23:33
joacimi remember hearing the sound event 2 seconds after clicking on things23:34
pedjathat can be trippy if no mind-enhancing substances are involved :)23:35

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