IRC Logs for #crux Tuesday, 2019-01-08

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T-ShirtsHey01:29
Anselmohey t-shirts01:35
T-ShirtsThis is a programming irc, right?01:36
Anselmoits mostly related to 'crux' which is a linux distribution01:36
T-ShirtsOh I guess I was misinformed lol01:38
Anselmoheh01:39
Anselmowhatcha lookin' for01:39
T-ShirtsWhat programming language is worth learning? I’m learning python but I can’t find a general use for it. I was thinking about learning C++ or HTML but wanted to ask you guys01:41
Anselmouhm. I think it really depends what you're trying to do with it.01:42
Anselmothere's a lot you can do with python, or c++, html is mostly for writing webpages though :P01:42
T-ShirtsI want to make a program01:43
AnselmoI've been using python sort of a lot lately, just for work related stuff01:44
T-ShirtsLike what?01:44
Anselmouhm, like, package manager and various programs to handle sensor data mostly01:44
Anselmoshell scripting is also pretty handy to know, if you're using unix/linux01:45
T-ShirtsCan C++ make programs?01:46
Anselmoyes it can01:46
T-ShirtsCan python make programs?01:47
Anselmoyes it can01:47
T-ShirtsReally? The closest I got to using python for programs is using the turtle graphics and Tkinter01:49
Anselmowhat is your definition for a 'program' ?01:49
Anselmolike, to have a gui ?01:49
T-ShirtsYes01:50
john_cephalopodaYou can do that in practically any programming language.01:50
john_cephalopodaPython is recommended as beginner language a lot.01:50
Anselmothere are modules for python, like pyqt or whatever01:51
Anselmothat can be useful for that01:51
john_cephalopodaI personally started with C++ but it's not very great. Has a lot of weird things like pointer arithmetics, templates and the auto keyword, which are just complex and don't help you to learn programming.01:51
T-ShirtsWhat’s a good language for automation? For writing code for an arduino01:52
AnselmoI've known a lot of people who felt like it was sort of a pain going from python to like, C and c++ and stuff though01:52
AnselmoI think arduinos usually use something like C01:52
T-ShirtsWhat language do you guys primarily use?01:53
T-Shirtsenjoy01:53
john_cephalopodaT-Shirts: Arduino use Processing usually.01:55
T-ShirtsI don’t know what that means01:56
john_cephalopoda"Processing" is a programming language.01:56
T-ShirtsHmm I never heard of it before01:56
john_cephalopodaI started programming with C++ (when I was 14), nowadays I write most code in C and Forth. I know some python, some basic Java and some other stuff.01:57
john_cephalopodaProcessing isn't widespread. It's basically only used for the Arduino.01:57
T-ShirtsI’m gonna start taking C++ for next semester (I’m a senior in high school)01:58
T-ShirtsIs there any tips?01:58
john_cephalopodaHmm, C01:59
john_cephalopoda*Hmm, C++ is a pretty huge language.01:59
john_cephalopodaYou got basically all the stuff from C, plus some really odd things.01:59
T-ShirtsHonestly, am I fucked?02:00
john_cephalopodaNah.02:00
Anselmoloads of people learn those things02:00
john_cephalopodaYou'll figure it out.02:00
T-ShirtsWhat IDE did you use?02:01
john_cephalopodaI used Dev-C++ back in the day.02:01
john_cephalopodaI can also recommend qtcreator.02:01
AnselmoIve never really used an IDE c_c02:01
john_cephalopodaWhen you want to make GUIs, qtcreator is probably the way to go.02:01
T-ShirtsIs it free?02:03
john_cephalopodaYes.02:03
T-ShirtsOk sweet, thank you02:04
T-ShirtsAnselmo: what did you mean you never used an IDE? What do you write in then?02:05
Anselmotext editors, and compilers / interpreters as needed02:05
T-ShirtsWhat languages do you use?02:06
Anselmolately a lot of python, a bit of c, some shell scripting,02:06
Anselmoused to do lisp and stuff, but not lately02:06
Anselmothere are some nice text editors, so its not a pain really02:07
Anselmoits just how  Ilearned to do things, nothing wrong with IDEs but I've just never cared to get into them02:10
AnselmoI imagine it might be handy for things with GUIs but I've also not done much of that02:10
T-ShirtsDo any of you guys code on your phone?02:23
AnselmoI have never tried that, but imagine it would be a pain, if only for typing.02:28
AnselmoI think I once briefly wrote some stuff on an android tablet but wouldnt have had the patience were it not for an external keyboard x-x02:28
john_cephalopodaI don't code on my phone.02:30
john_cephalopodaThose keyboards are hell and make me want to throw that thing against the wall.02:31
Anselmoyeh x-x02:34
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pedjanice, there is a Blender import add-on for ksp crafts11:33
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mistnimhello, I was evaluating using crux and I care a little bit about security. Can you tell me if packages are signed and verified?14:23
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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.4]: clamav: updated to version 0.101.115:03
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cruxbot[core.git/3.5]: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/3.4' into 3.515:31
rmullmistnim: Yes, they are (at least the official ones)15:57
rmullUsing openbsd's 'signify'15:57
mistnimrmull: ok thanks, are the packages sources tar files verified too somehow? I see at least some of those urls are http16:05
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mistnimexample: https://crux.nu/ports/crux-3.4/core/acl/Pkgfile16:07
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joacimmistnim: with sha256 in the .signature file.16:11
mistnimnice16:13
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dag_im trying to install libsdl2, so i type "prt-get depinst -if libsdl2", and i get this error: "make *** no rule to make target build/sdl.lo, needed by build/libsdl2.la. stop"16:34
dag_is it a broken package?16:34
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jueindeed, libsdl2 is broken, looks like a problem caused by newest dash16:43
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pedjawhy the hell is Firefox trashing the hard disk reading so hard18:46
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frinnstdont judge20:33
frinnstit likes to20:33
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pedjait's annoying af :) so I restart it once a day or so21:21
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frinnstnot something i've noticed22:22
pedjathere is a decade of technological progress between our machines, my friend :)22:45
pedja'decade of difference in'? argh, can't english22:48
frinnstmy english is getting worse by the day22:48
frinnsti think it peaked in -9722:48
pedjano one will notice if we kick all the native speakers from the channel :)22:50
pedjaffs22:51
pedjafrinnst, by which vendor are your 10g nics?23:00
pedjaapparently Aquantia want's to push 10g nics as a new standard for m/b. asus might ship them23:04
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T-ShirtsHey23:07
john_cephalopodaHey T-Shirts23:23
T-ShirtsBack for more questions lol23:24
john_cephalopodaT-Shirts: How did you end up here? Are you using crux?23:24
john_cephalopodaAnd if not, how did you find this channel? :þ23:24
T-ShirtsI was on a forum that was about good irc channels for programming, a user said you guys were chill and helpful. So I decided to join23:25
john_cephalopodaHeh xD23:26
T-ShirtsLol they never mentioned that this was for crux either, just programming23:28
john_cephalopodaIt's called #crux23:30
T-ShirtsI thought that was just the name since this is the first time I have heard of crux23:32
Anselmohaha23:33
john_cephalopodaT-Shirts: So, which questions have you got?23:36
T-ShirtsDo you make money from programming?23:38
john_cephalopodaNot yet. But I already got a company that wants me.23:39
john_cephalopodaAlso had two paid internships there already.23:39

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