IRC Logs for #crux Sunday, 2019-03-03

joacimpaper looks decent for icons00:24
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Abdullahwe had no light for more than 24 hours so I'm back now ;-)17:40
Abdullahneovim port is there if someone needs. with all deps . https://abdullah.today/ports/neovim17:41
joacimonce i had no lights for a couple of hours17:45
joacimand once 20 years ago, i experienced a brownout that lasted 30 minutes17:45
AbdullahWe had no light because there were storms and rain lasted more than 36 hours17:56
john_cephalopodaBuy an UPS ;þ19:18
john_cephalopodaWhere are you from again, Abdullah?19:18
Abdullahjohn_cephalopoda: I'm from Pakistan19:19
Abdullahwe have solar system but that isnt capable to charge laptops19:19
AbdullahI'm the only one from my country here ;-)19:24
Abdullahmaybe the whole south asia19:24
john_cephalopodaCould be :þ19:28
Abdullahfrom where you're john_cephalopoda19:37
john_cephalopodaGermany.19:37
Abdullahnu I think represents new zealand if I'm not wrong.19:37
ryuowherever cephalopoda come from, obviously.19:37
jaeger.nu is for Niue, actually19:38
jaegerfree associated with new zealand, though19:38
AbdullahI like Germany. It has good rules. Many friends even my brother in law travelled to it illegaly and got work there ;-)19:38
Abdullahjaeger: who wrote pkgutils lived there?19:39
tilmani think they let some swedish company control the .nu domain19:39
ryuoAbdullah: Thanks for the tip. I'll tell the deportation authorities. :D19:39
tilman'nu' means 'now' in swedish19:39
ryuokidding.19:39
Abdullahauthorites gave him work btw ;-)19:40
tilmanAbdullah: crux' original developer is a swede19:40
ryuoWell, isn't that swede.19:40
ryuo:P19:40
Abdullahhe travelled and suffered alot guys.19:41
Abdullahlife here sucks19:41
Abdullahlike I know computers now but no job as I don't have linux industry here19:41
Abdullahelse we grow most of things ourselves. like we have own wheat, own milk. and we use our own wood as gas19:42
ryuoAbdullah: i'd have gas too if i had to eat wood.19:43
ryuo:o19:43
ryuoAbdullah: bad jokes.19:43
Abdullahlol wood something like raw thing we burn it19:43
Abdullahsorry for english ;-) I read only 5 years it19:44
Abdullahfrom 6th to 1019:44
ryuogas = flatulence = farts19:44
ryuoin this context.19:44
Abdullahwe also use something else which I don't know what's called ;-)19:45
Abdullahwhy not neovim-0.3.4 ?20:02
AbdullahI had /$name/$name/v$version in Pkgfile20:03
Abdullahwhile version is 0.3.420:03
Abdullahit only does when version starts with 020:03
john_cephalopodaAbdullah: I think a lot of potential lies in the economy of the middle east up to India. But investors like stable countries.20:11
Abdullahyeah you're right john20:12
john_cephalopodaI've read some news about cool stuff being made in Iran. Start-ups are growing there but there's also the threat of new sanctions that can crush those again.20:14
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AbdullahI have installed libfprint but now fprintd giving me error no libfprint22:22
Abdullah/usr/local/include/libfprint is there22:23
Abdullahsolved it.22:39
Abdullahnow the problem is. Failed to connect to session bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: Connection refused22:40
Abdullahsolved. now which drivers to get it working in kernel?22:50
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timcowchipspeaking of kernel drivers22:56
timcowchipmy Slackware stdout from sensors-detect https://pastebin.com/DBeC94yf22:57
timcowchipthe standard Slackware kernel has most everything built-in22:57
timcowchipmy Crux setdout from sensors-detect https://pastebin.com/haf0xuTu22:58
Abdullahtimcowchip: I need no drivers I think22:58
Abdullahas root I was able to use it22:58
Abdullahbut I think I have to be in some group22:59
Abdullahdunno which group22:59
Abdullahyour crux installation is working with fingerprint readers?22:59
timcowchipno22:59
timcowchipI am trying to get my sensors working23:00
Abdullahon crux?23:00
timcowchipyes23:00
AbdullahI just got it working but only I have to find out which group I have to be a member of23:01
timcowchipits coretemp and nct6775 for my motherboard23:01
timcowchipthey are both modules which are loaded at boot23:01
Abdullahhmm23:01
Abdullahfailed to claim device: Not Authorized: net.reactivated.fprint.device.enroll23:02
AbdullahI'm getting this error while enrolling as my user23:02
Abdullahas root it was okay but I din't enroll for root23:02
timcowchipnever used fingerprint login before23:03
timcowchipI'm more a freedom of information guy23:03
timcowchipthe FBI can look at anything it wants to on my machine23:04
john_cephalopodatimcowchip: Also it's way too easy to crack a fingerprint. Law enforcement can easily guide your hand to swipe it open while they can't really get a password out of you without torture.23:05
AbdullahFBI can't fuck here in my place. ;-)23:05
AbdullahI'm not a terrorist btw who thinks as some agencies would ask me my password23:06
timcowchipyou guys don't like the FBI?23:06
john_cephalopodaAbdullah: CIA is responsible for foreign places.23:06
timcowchipFull Blooded Indians23:07
AbdullahCIA can't do something until my local agencies would allow them23:07
john_cephalopodaFBI is "federal" for a reason.23:07
john_cephalopodaAbdullah: Lol. Except for the hundreds of drone strikes in North Pakistan.23:07
timcowchipF'n Bunch of Idiots23:07
Abdullahthey were allowed23:07
timcowchipback to my sensors23:07
Abdullaheven Pakistan gave them place23:08
Abdullahor they wouldnt occupy afghanistan23:08
Abdullahand in real pakistan fucked them enough to leave afghanistan23:08
timcowchipI once used the Slackware "huge" kernel config to build my Crux kernel23:08
AbdullahI used slackware once I was noob ;-)23:09
john_cephalopodaAbdullah: It's not like they'd stop bombing places if the government would tell them to stop.23:09
timcowchipAbdullah: how old are you?23:09
AbdullahAh, I wish I were a general in Pakistan army so would never heard about this23:10
AbdullahI'm 25 timcowchip23:10
timcowchipah.....you're still a noob23:10
timcowchipI'm 7123:10
Abdullahyeah I'm but I was talking about a year ago23:13
joacimthink it was 2002 or 2003 when i tried slackware23:14
joacimgot it to work, but didnt have an internet connection at the time so didnt get to do much with it23:14
timcowchipso it seems sensors-detect gets stuck at I2C/SMBus adapters23:14
timcowchipSlackware is one of the few distros left that doesn't use systemd23:15
Abdullahtimcowchip: void also doesn't23:16
joacimwould be interesting to see a system layer that isnt systemd23:16
timcowchipisn't void dead?23:16
Abdullahinfact any distro you can uninstall systemd ;-) isn't it23:16
Abdullahnah, Its active23:16
john_cephalopodajoacim: "system layer"?23:16
AbdullahI used it months ago23:16
joacimsystemd, launchd, that solaris thing23:17
AbdullahI have to relogin guys23:17
timcowchipI maintain SlackBuilds for https://slackbuilds.org/23:17
timcowchipand https://www.salixos.org/23:18
timcowchipso I use Slackware23:18
timcowchipI wonder if there's an lm_sensors channel in IRC23:19
john_cephalopodajoacim: I don't really get what differenciates the core functionality of systemd from basically any init.23:19
john_cephalopodaAll that I want an init to do is to start up a bunch of programs. That's what it's supposed to do.23:22
joacima lot of them are bad at keeping track of which processes are spawned, and stopping them cleanly tho23:22
john_cephalopodaI never had any issues with the CRUX init system.23:23
joacimhad a few issues where services dont start properly, or where they also dont stop as they should23:24
joacimlike when the pid in the lock file is different from the actual running pid23:24
john_cephalopodaI don't know if that's really an issue in the init system or rather on program level.23:24
joacimand handling of dependencies is a bit more manual with crux23:25
joacimif you solve it on the program level, everyone have to replicate the change23:25
john_cephalopodaI got four services that I start automatically.23:26
joacimand it is more effort for maintainers in general to make sure their init scripts work properly23:26
joacimso, i do think it is interesting to see something smarter for init. not fond of systemd, but something different might be nice23:27
john_cephalopodaI don't know if I need a smart init. I want to have something that starts my stuff when I boot up my computer and allows me to start and kill services easily. I never needed dependency management. It's obvious to me that the wlan script should run before the ntpd script.23:30
john_cephalopodaAnd when I look at unit files, they don't seem to make things clearer.23:30
joacimwant to get rid of the xml and binary bullshit that a lot of projects use23:31
joacimsuch a pain to work with23:31
john_cephalopodaBinary logs ;þ23:32
john_cephalopodaA lot of projects start using JSON instead of XML now. Not sure if it is much better.23:32
joacimim happy if it is easy for a human to work with23:34
joacimconfigure rather23:34
joacimtho something that is good for developers, users, and admins would be great23:35
joacimxml is so annoying to type by hand23:35
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