IRC Logs for #crux Sunday, 2019-06-16

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BurnZeZ1GB is atrocious00:15
BurnZeZI should be able to install CRUX on a machine with 256MB RAM00:16
BurnZeZWho on earth thought unpacking the rootfs into RAM was a sane default?00:16
BurnZeZEven 128MB should be enough, honestly00:17
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joacimto compile a lot of these applications, you would need more than 1GB anyways01:49
AnselmoI think he might be meaning you could just read them off the CD,01:50
Anselmoas it is you can do it with less, but typically need another ISO to boot :P01:51
Anselmoand I have run crux on machines without compiling stuff, just using some way to reach another computer's compiled packages01:52
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.4]: upower: 0.99.4 -> 0.99.702:25
jaegerBurnZeZ: at one time, I did02:27
jaegerBack when I designed that, though, the rootfs was MUCH smaller.02:27
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: upower: 0.99.4 -> 0.99.702:28
jaegerIt'll probably be going back to the original style between 3.5 and the next release, it's no longer as useful a feature02:28
cruxbot[opt.git/3.4]: upower: remove old patch02:29
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BurnZeZAh02:42
jaegerOn some occasions it was very useful to boot into the installer and be able to unmount and eject the CD02:42
BurnZeZYeah02:42
BurnZeZMakes sense02:42
jaegerto be honest, though, I haven't done that in years... I don't remember really why I needed it at the time02:43
jaegerBut as the ISO and rootfs have gotten bigger, the RAM requirements have ballooned :/02:43
BurnZeZWhat happened between 3.4 and 3.5 to increase the requirements so much?02:43
muito_girogood night crux'rs :)02:44
jaegerI haven't dug deeply into it to see what the exact packages are that bloated it02:44
jaegernight, muito_giro02:44
jaegerI suppose it wouldn't be too hard to do some kind of diffs on the booted environments02:44
muito_girojaeger: do we get a email when 3.4 branch stop being updated ?02:45
jaegermuito_giro: I don't think we've typically sent a notification in the past but we tend to update both for at least a little while02:45
jaegerwith that said, of course 3.5 will get the most attention so it's definitely recommended to upgrade02:46
muito_girohumm :/ so much machines now ...02:47
jaegerhow many?02:47
muito_giro602:47
jaegeryeah, will take a bit of time. I'm still upgrading mine one by one02:47
jaegerAbout to do my laptop now, in fact :)02:47
muito_giroI'm from the hive.gnu.systems ;) I miss the irssi config on this pc, that's why this nick02:48
muito_giroI was working on documentation, branch develop ...02:49
muito_giroI was able to install 3.4 into luks lvm, I also figure out how to keep pkg-get repository without repeated binary packages,02:55
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muito_giroWas installing and configuring system to a friend to test, it was freezing, I think is related with double gpu i915 ? and nvidia02:56
muito_giroin all the other computers just work perfect, :P02:57
jaegerThis laptop has i915 and nvidia, no freezes here02:58
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muito_giroI always doubt my configuration ;), when I update to 3.5 will try to see what I forgot to take note03:07
muito_girohttps://hive.gnu.systems/doc/core/linux.html#configure03:07
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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.4]: firefox: 67.0.1 -> 67.0.207:54
RomsterAnselmo, yeah and i do supply some built packages but i need to redo that again. https://crux.ster.zone/07:57
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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: Merge branch '3.4' into 3.509:18
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: firefox: 67.0.1 -> 67.0.209:18
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: go: updated to version 1.12.609:18
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: thunderbird: 60.7.0 -> 60.7.109:18
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: vlc: 3.0.4 -> 3.0.709:18
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: extremetuxracer: 0.7.4 -> 0.7.509:18
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: streamlink: fix python3 version in footprint: 3.6 -> 3.709:34
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: python3-zope-interface: fix python3 version in footprint: 3.6 -> 3.709:34
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: python3-websocket-client: fix python3 version in footprint: 3.6 -> 3.709:34
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: python3-urllib3: fix python3 version in footprint: 3.6 -> 3.709:34
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: python3-twisted: fix python3 version in footprint: 3.6 -> 3.709:34
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: python3-requests: fix python3 version in footprint: 3.6 -> 3.709:34
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: python3-pyxdg: fix python3 version in footprint: 3.6 -> 3.709:34
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: python3-pysocks: fix python3 version in footprint: 3.6 -> 3.709:34
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: python3-pyopenssl: fix python3 version in footprint: 3.6 -> 3.709:34
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: python3-pycryptodome: fix python3 version in footprint: 3.6 -> 3.709:34
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: python3-pycparser: fix python3 version in footprint: 3.6 -> 3.709:34
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: python3-pillow: fix python3 version in footprint: 3.6 -> 3.709:34
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: python3-isodate: fix python3 version in footprint: 3.6 -> 3.709:34
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: python3-iso3166: fix python3 version in footprint: 3.6 -> 3.709:34
cruxbot[opt.git/3.4]: wine: 4.9 -> 4.1009:36
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: Merge branch '3.4' into 3.509:39
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: wine: 4.9 -> 4.1009:39
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: upower: remove old patch09:39
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: upower: 0.99.4 -> 0.99.709:39
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: thunderbird-bin: updated to 60.7.109:39
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cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.5]: mesa3d-32: fix missing files in build12:03
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.5]: mesa3d-32: fix .signature12:04
Romstercan i stop derping12:04
joacimno not yet12:14
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john_cephalopodaCan't wait to get VLC 4.0. It will have HMD support. Giant cinema!12:18
Romsteri'm happy with mpv12:26
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Romstera 360-degree content viewer, so what content would you be watching john_cephalopoda ?12:33
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.4]: obs-studio: 23.1.0 -> 23.2.112:57
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: Merge branch '3.4' into 3.512:58
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: obs-studio: 23.1.0 -> 23.2.112:58
Romstererr ok13:00
dbrookeRomster: thanks for the footprint fix(es) etc.13:01
dbrookeI'm now fully up-to-date on 3.513:01
Romsterno worries13:01
Romsteri haven't moved yet i got so many machines here13:03
dbrookewell it's just my main workstation here, apart from a VM (for testing my ports in a clean environment) which I'll replace with a fresh install13:07
Romsterbeen using lxc for that, or oyu actually run stuff in the VM?13:08
Romster957 ports on this box. it might be time i do a clean install too.13:09
Romsteri probably have stuff i don't use anymore13:09
dbrookeI have a SmartOS host supporting VMs with various OSs/distributions, so the CRUX test build VM is on that13:15
Romsterah i see13:26
john_cephalopodaRomster: I'd be happy with 2D movies being projected into space onto a giant virtual screen :D13:34
john_cephalopodaThere is practically no content on Linux to use with VR. And there is no way to put 2D content into 3D space with HMD support on Linux.13:35
Anselmo<313:36
BurnZeZ02:43:05 <jaeger> to be honest, though, I haven't done that in years... I don't remember really why I needed it at the time14:08
BurnZeZAnother thing is running into problems with seeking on a CD14:09
BurnZeZI recall that being a big time waster on some machines14:09
BurnZeZI never understood why it was sometimes so slow14:09
BurnZeZjaeger: So anyway, I’ve been thinking about how the builds work lately14:10
BurnZeZYou get this annoying thing where you can’t get consistent builds because of automatically detected libraries14:10
BurnZeZOr other weird state14:11
BurnZeZSo I thought about some crazy idea where each package that is created has the contents left extracted somewhere14:13
BurnZeZThen when you build some package, you create a namespace that unions all the dependencies into a single root directory14:14
BurnZeZIt’s a sort of cheesy idea14:14
Romsteroverlayfs uninonfs14:20
Romsterdunno just make a ton of lxc containers14:20
Romsterjustr like i can't find a opennx nuttyx or anything other than nomachine for nx from a windows guest box to a linux host. tigervnc is to slow and turbovnc has no server for windows.14:26
Romsteri wonder what steam streams with that works from windows steam to linux steam14:26
byzoni[m]Kwort Linux good distribution?14:45
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jaegerBurnZeZ: maybe something interesting with which to experiment but I could see it getting a bit unwieldy, perhaps14:48
jaegerbyzoni[m]: haven't used it, myself14:50
BurnZeZjaeger: It might be interesting, but I’m not sure how union stuff works on linux14:52
SiFuhax: Was just discussing how gvfs needed graphviz so switched to mate repo then failed because the mate repo didn't include a soft-dep for poppler-glib. All good15:07
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weednixcrux_3.4_life_matter :P20:34
john_cephalopodaI have to upgrade my CRUX-ARM eventually... Meh.20:40
weednixjohn_cephalopoda: can't wait to start playing with ARM, anyway if I'm drowning with just x86 ...20:40
john_cephalopodaI wish there was something simpler. Linux, Windows, MacOS, the *BSDs... it just seems like such a hassle.20:41
john_cephalopodaAnd things don't get easier. Hardware gets more and more complex...20:41
weednixI find funny they never finish nothing, I mean both soft and hardware. They don't fix or optimize something and they are coming with new thing XD20:42
joacimyou can be that guy that uses morphos =)20:44
john_cephalopodaNot fully open source though.20:46
weednixfor the first time I will need to configure a crux to be "more portuguese", already saw few things on the net ... a bit panic XD20:49
weednixit seems first step is all about locale pt_PT.UTF8 ...20:50
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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: redshift: add missing dependencies22:47
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: patool: add missing dependency22:47
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: avahi: should close FS#174122:47
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