IRC Logs for #crux Monday, 2019-06-24

jaegerinteresting00:13
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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: xtitle: initial import, version 0.4.403:10
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: discount: initial import, version 2.2.603:14
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: xdo: initial import, version 0.5.703:19
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: xwinfo: initial import, version 6cd58a903:25
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: sutils: initial import, version 0.203:28
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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: p5-digest-sha1: update footprint for perl 5.2804:41
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: p5-extutils-depends: update footprint for perl 5.2804:43
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: p5-extutils-pkgconfig: update footprint for perl 5.2804:44
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Abdullahhello frinnst or jaeger, one of you had HDMI problems before. I think we have to enable it in kernel config first.06:01
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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: rofi: bump to 1.5.306:56
Thom1hi, I take my initrd from my slackware (same kernel) and it works :)07:14
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Thom1I see crux contains only stable version of software, at least in official repo. Does "contrib" repo also contain only stable version ?08:15
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Thom1ACTION don' speak english very well08:15
TimB_Thom1: I would suspect so, that or outdated ones08:22
Thom1for example I see nginx is available with 1.17.0 version which is the current development version, not the stable08:23
Thom1but it doesn't matter, I don't know crux so I have many questions :)08:25
TimB_nginx maybe offers newer features that are desired, but I have no idea08:25
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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: p5-glib: update footprint for perl 5.2808:45
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: p5-cairo: update to perl 5.2808:56
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: p5-pango: update footprint for perl 5.2809:10
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: p5-gtk2: update footprint for perl 5.2809:33
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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: subversion-perl: update to 1.9.1009:59
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: subversion-python: update to 1.9.1010:08
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medusa213hello, im trying to do a sys update with ports -u, prt-get sysup..10:42
medusa213and cant seem to update git, it fails with:10:43
medusa213"undefined reference to 'libiconv'"10:43
medusa213i installed libiconv manually10:43
medusa213but still cant install git.. what to do?10:43
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: imagemagick: update to 7.0.8-5010:57
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: mupdf: fix dependencies10:57
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cruxbot[xorg.git/3.5]: libinput: update to 1.13.311:04
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Thom1I don't really understand if crux is a rolling-release or not. I just started a "prt-get sysup" and many core tools are update like sysvinit, shadow, util-linux. I install crux-3.5 only yesterday13:03
Anselmowhen you install, you install the packages from the ISO disk, which may be out of date already13:10
Anselmoand particularly recently things have been getting a lot of updates it seems13:11
Thom1I thought the core packages only get security fixes until the next crux release13:12
Thom1so I understand crux is a rolling release13:12
AnselmoI'm not involved in the development really so I dont quite know what's going on, I've usually regarded the versions as being a way to stage major updates that might be a pain for people to manage :P13:14
Thom1ok13:16
Thom1so you say some people upgrade packages only when a new crux is released ? English is not my first language so I can understand wrong13:19
AnselmoI was more reffering to packages that might break lots of things to upgrade them individually.13:23
AnselmoI'm not sure the actual criteria that are used to decide when a new version is reached for crux though, and probably shouldnt be talking about it :P13:24
Thom1ok, if I always stays up to date with "prt-get sysup", I'll never need to upgrade to the next crux release, correct ?13:24
Anselmoyou'll need to update the entries in /etc/ports, to point to the next versions,13:26
Thom1right, I didn't see13:26
Thom1thanks Anselmo :)13:28
Anselmoof course :313:28
dbrookeIt's recommended to update to a new release using the setup option on the iso because otherwise you may encounter library incompatibilities which break the toolchain13:38
dbrookesee "Incompatible changes" in https://crux.nu/Main/ReleaseNotes3-513:38
Thom1ok so I guess we can say crux is a rolling release13:40
Thom1thanks dbrooke :)13:40
dbrookeI would say so in most cases. The release version change is mainly to handle the incompatibilities mentioned.13:45
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pedjaCrux is sort of the hybrid. stable-ish core packages (toolchain, mostly) and other packages updated fairly often (when they don't break stuff :) )14:42
juesort off ... :)14:44
jue note that we don't update our tool-chain (binutils, gcc, glibc) to new major versions during a release cycle, only at release bounderies.14:45
jue these tool-chain should be definitely bootstrapped, to use the packages from the ISO is the easiest method to get a propper one14:46
Thom1thanks for clarification :)14:46
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pedjaweird segfaults when something is partially broken are fun :)14:47
pedjaor python C extensions thingies14:48
pedja(the fact that I used pip to install some stuff doesn't help, either)14:52
pedjait's a bit of the mess. then again, so am I14:53
pedjayay, new qt5 release. I am not looking forward to building that, tbh14:56
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pedjaryzen 3000 cpu's are sure nice15:00
jaegeryeah, they're looking promising. I'll probably replace my skylake with one15:26
pedja8c one?15:30
pedjaone of those is 'the sweet spot', apparently15:32
pedjaprice/perf-wise15:32
jaegeryeah, probably the 3700x15:32
jaeger8c/16t with 65W TDP and 4.4GHz turbo clock15:33
pedjaare the m/b bios updates out yet?15:33
pedjaor are you getting x570 m/b too?15:34
jaegerI will have to buy a new MB, the intel one won't work... so might as well get X57015:48
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pedjaah, sorry, I misunderstood :) (slower then usual I am today)17:15
pedjabuildzoid has an interesting video on 'do you really need x570 m/b'17:18
pedjatl;dw is 'you might not need it, but, if the price is right, you might as well get one'17:20
pedjam/b vendors seem to take Ryzen/Zen seriously this time around17:23
joacimshame about the tiny fan most motherboards has18:13
joacimbeen avoiding motherboards with fans ever since i had my abit nf7-s v2.018:13
joacimdidnt take long for that fan to fail and start making this horrible noise18:14
dlcusatek__ or anyone else, while rebuilding my 3.5 packages, gexiv2 got into a tight loop (http://www.dpaste.com/367VAX1).  Anyone else encountered this?19:06
dlcusaOh, no "www." in the URL--try http://dpaste.com/367VAX1 instead.19:08
jaegerthat looks like a vala problem. you could try disabling vala or use the updated version of vala from the MATE repo until tek updates the contrib one19:19
dlcusaThanks for the idea, jaeger.19:54
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jaegernp20:05
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: git: 2.21.0 -> 2.22.021:06
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: p5-module-build: 0.4224 -> 0.422921:13
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: p5-netaddr-ip: update for new perl version21:14
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: p5-net-dns: 1.18 -> 1.2021:15
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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: postgresql: 11.3 -> 11.421:20
kyaaahttps://people.gnome.org/~federico/blog/preparing-the-bzip2-107-release.html +1 jumping into meson's ship21:33
stenuryay, zstd21:35
frinnst(This is a C-only release as usual. The Rust branch is still experimental.)21:37
frinnstjesus christ21:37
frinnstso.. next release then 100% rust? :(21:38
frinnstwouldnt surprise me21:38
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dlcusajaeger and others, replacing contrib/vala with mate/vala didn't change the build's behavior. :-(  I'll be back in several hours.22:39
jaegerAh, bummer. I ran into similar things that were caused by vala22:40
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