IRC Logs for #crux Monday, 2019-08-19

*** zimmer_Dl has quit IRC00:08
*** zimmer_Dl has joined #crux00:12
Worksteri fixed that with another commit ports -u00:13
Workstergir collisions i disabled introspection00:13
*** tilman_ has joined #crux00:15
*** zimmer_Dl has quit IRC00:43
*** SiFuh has joined #crux00:54
*** zimmer_Dl has joined #crux01:05
brian|lfsah Workster thanks for the help01:07
brian|lfseverything worked over here man01:08
brian|lfsI see what you mean by painful fix I wasn't thinking the same route as you with making a pango-compat01:08
*** zimmer__Dl has joined #crux01:22
*** zimmer_Dl has quit IRC01:23
*** SiFuh has quit IRC01:43
*** zimmer__Dl has quit IRC01:49
*** weednix has joined #crux02:00
*** zimmer__Dl has joined #crux02:09
*** SiFuh has joined #crux02:40
*** mavrick61 has quit IRC02:41
*** mavrick61 has joined #crux02:43
*** SiFuh has quit IRC03:10
*** SiFuh has joined #crux03:10
*** SiFuh has quit IRC03:16
*** zimmer__Dl has quit IRC03:56
*** SiFuh has joined #crux04:02
*** SiFuh_ has joined #crux04:11
*** brian|lfs has quit IRC04:23
*** SiFuh has quit IRC04:55
*** SiFuh_ has quit IRC04:55
*** SiFuh has joined #crux04:56
*** SiFuh_ has joined #crux04:56
*** SiFuh_ has quit IRC05:10
*** SiFuh_ has joined #crux05:12
*** SiFuh_ has quit IRC05:17
*** SiFuh_ has joined #crux05:21
*** brian|lfs has joined #crux05:42
*** SiFuh_ has quit IRC05:42
*** SiFuh_ has joined #crux05:54
*** brian|lfs has quit IRC05:57
*** SiFuh_ has quit IRC05:58
*** brian|lfs has joined #crux06:00
*** SiFuh has quit IRC06:06
*** SiFuh has joined #crux06:08
*** SiFuh has quit IRC06:17
*** SiFuh has joined #crux06:28
*** SiFuh_ has joined #crux06:34
*** iovec has joined #crux06:35
*** zimmer_Dl has joined #crux06:36
*** zimmer_Dl has quit IRC06:41
*** zimmer_Dl has joined #crux06:43
*** SiFuh_ has quit IRC06:53
*** SiFuh_ has joined #crux07:04
*** zimmer_Dl has quit IRC07:12
*** zimmer_Dl has joined #crux07:34
*** SiFuh_ has quit IRC07:35
*** SiFuh_ has joined #crux07:47
*** SiFuh_ has quit IRC07:52
*** SiFuh_ has joined #crux07:57
*** zimmer__Dl has joined #crux08:04
*** zimmer_Dl has quit IRC08:07
*** zimmer_Dl has joined #crux08:10
*** zimmer__Dl has quit IRC08:10
*** SiFuh_ has quit IRC08:14
*** SiFuh_ has joined #crux08:26
*** SiFuh has quit IRC08:30
*** SiFuh_ has quit IRC08:30
*** Ox0130e0f1 has joined #crux08:34
Ox0130e0f1hello you guys08:34
Ox0130e0f1there is no stdio.h in my system08:34
Ox0130e0f1what can I do08:34
also_uplimedid you install everything in core?08:35
also_uplimeand what does `type cc` say?08:35
also_uplime(also what is the output of `ls -l /usr/include/stdio.h`)08:36
Ox0130e0f1actually I tar xvf the rootfs.tar.xz08:37
Ox0130e0f1and chroot08:37
*** zimmer_Dl has quit IRC08:37
also_uplimeare you still in the setup process?08:37
Ox0130e0f1I cc helloworld.c and it says no stdio.h08:37
Ox0130e0f1Could you tell me which package includes that?08:39
*** SiFuh has joined #crux08:42
*** iovec has quit IRC08:43
Ox0130e0f1But I installed it08:43
frinnstyeah if glibc is not installed nothing will work08:43
Ox0130e0f1both 64 and 3208:43
Ox0130e0f1thanks man. I install glibc with -f. it works :)08:45
*** SiFuh has quit IRC08:47
*** SiFuh has joined #crux08:53
*** zimmer_Dl has joined #crux08:57
*** Ox0130e0f1 has quit IRC08:58
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: mailx: update to 14.9.1509:28
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: cups-filters: update to 1.25.209:28
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: cups: update to 2.2.1209:28
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: [notify] apache: update to 2.4.4109:28
cruxbot[xorg.git/3.5]: xorg-xrandr: update to 1.5.109:30
cruxbot[xorg.git/3.5]: xorg-xf86-input-libinput: update to 0.29.009:30
*** SiFuh has quit IRC10:36
*** SiFuh has joined #crux10:37
*** SiFuh has quit IRC10:44
*** Ox0130e0f1 has joined #crux10:51
Ox0130e0f1I need help again10:51
Romsteruh what's up?10:52
Ox0130e0f1what package is xcb10:52
Romsterprt-get search xcb10:52
Romsterare you not using prt-get depinst ?10:52
Ox0130e0f1I cannot install i3wm but it is in contrib10:54
Ox0130e0f1I run prt-get install i3 but it says no founded10:54
Romsterdid you read the handbook on the site?10:55
Romsteryou need to enable contrib10:55
Romsterin /etc/prt-get.conf10:55
Ox0130e0f1read a little10:55
Romsterand mv /etc/ports/contrib.rsync.inactive /etc/ports/contrib.rsync10:56
Romsterthen ports -u10:56
Romsterprt-get depinst ...10:56
Ox0130e0f1get it10:56
Ox0130e0f1wow! it works10:57
Ox0130e0f1though I am gentoo user, it's a little hard for me to start using crux10:58
Romsteri understand crux is more get your hands dirty10:59
Romsterthough read the handbook then ask if you are stuck10:59
Ox0130e0f1I see11:00
Romsterdepinst is dependency install, see prt-get help.11:01
Ox0130e0f1yes I see11:01
Romsterprt-get tree <port> is helpful if you missed a dependency11:01
Ox0130e0f1yes I see11:02
Ox0130e0f1emm..and is there something like gentoo's USE11:03
Romsternope, make your own collection of ports and add it to prt-get.conf11:04
Romsterhaving said that some auto detect soft dependencies11:04
Romsterwe tend to keep things minimal11:04
Ox0130e0f1it's so KISS11:04
Ox0130e0f1thanks for your kind help11:05
Romstersome ports will list Optional: in the Pkgfile nothing reads this it's just there to see what else you can depinst and then rebuild the port if it's not already on the system to pick up new features11:05
Romsterit's nto as advanced as useflags but, crux has it's beauty in not much obfuscation11:06
*** heroux has joined #crux11:06
Romsteri personally call it LFS with a package manager11:06
Ox0130e0f1I think so11:07
Ox0130e0f1is there a way to clean dependency?11:07
Ox0130e0f1I guess no11:08
Romsteri got steam wine chatty hexcchat libreoffice and more installed so by no means lacking much11:08
Romsteruh as in remove?11:08
Romsternope we lack that there is a tool for removing orphan ports as in nothing depending on them11:08
Romsterwe have revdep and prt-orphan in prt-utils11:09
TimB_we have pkgfoster as well11:10
*** SiFuh has joined #crux11:17
*** t58 has joined #crux11:19
*** SiFuh has quit IRC11:24
*** SiFuh has joined #crux11:31
*** SiFuh has quit IRC11:36
*** SiFuh has joined #crux11:37
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: chrpath: moved to opt12:13
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: chrpath: moved from contrib to opt12:15
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: [notify] imagemagick: update to 7.0.8-61, new dependency chrpath12:16
*** cruxbot has quit IRC12:17
*** cruxbot has joined #crux12:17
*** Ox0130e0f1 has quit IRC12:28
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: tor: ->
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: torsocks: 2.2.0 -> 2.3.013:06
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: libwnck: new maintainer, new dependency gobject-introspection13:08
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: nsd: update to 4.2.213:08
*** cruxbot has quit IRC13:09
*** cruxbot has joined #crux13:10
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: distcc-monitor: dropped13:32
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: distcc: 3.1 -> 3.3.313:32
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: libunique: new maintainer, use patch from BLFS13:39
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: imagemagick: fix signature13:45
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: whois: update to 5.5.113:50
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: rust: update signature for footprint14:02
also_uplimedo issues with repos in contrib go into the bug tracker as well?14:10
pedjas/repos/ports/ :)14:11
also_uplimeerm, yeah14:11
*** zimmer__Dl has joined #crux14:12
*** zimmer_Dl has quit IRC14:13
pedjathis Cloud thing is big
also_uplimewell, mail provider is having an outage :I14:41
also_uplimeguess ill have to report it later14:41
*** zimmer__Dl has quit IRC14:43
*** chinarulezzz has joined #crux14:44
also_uplimekind of a silly question about packaging - i've read the guides, but im still a bit unclear. i've tried to package shellcheck at which seems to work, but it seems like the build() in Pkgfile does both building and installing. what exactly should get added to the built package (that is the installed via pkgadd)?14:48
also_uplimei guess a better way to phrase that would be - what should be installed via build() and what should be installed via pkgadd?14:51
pedjainstall in build() builds and makes a package, and you install the package with pkgadd.14:53
pedjathat's what '$PKG' is for in Pkgfile.14:53
also_uplimeah, so passing a file to `install` isn't actually installing it into the filesystem?14:54
pedjatake a look at ports in core/opt/contrib14:55
also_uplimewill do, thanks14:56
pedja'install -dm755 foo $PKG/usr/bin/foo', for instance14:57
*** jolupa has joined #crux14:57
*** jolupa has quit IRC15:02
*** zimmer__Dl has joined #crux15:04
*** chinarulezzz has quit IRC15:24
*** chinarulezzz has joined #crux15:24
*** chinarulezzz has quit IRC15:32
*** zimmer__Dl has quit IRC16:08
*** zimmer__Dl has joined #crux16:12
*** jolupa has joined #crux16:15
jolupaHi everyone... I just installed Firefox-bin and noticed that I don't have sound from youtube videos (well I don't have audio for any video) There's some package needed, apart from alsa?16:17
jolupachrome is working perfect with sound...16:18
joacimmight be missing pulseaudio16:18
joacimfirefox-bin depends on that16:18
joacimfor sound at least16:18
joacimcan use apulse if you dont want pulseaudio16:18
jolupaah! pulse audio... Everytime I install it consume a lot of resources..16:18
joacimworks great on my threadripper16:19
jolupaWell maybe I have to deal with that... Thanks a lot!16:19
jolupaXD Threadripper is my god processor... I'm on a 2009 Macbook XD16:19
jolupaThe next one is a new AMD for sure!16:20
joacimi had issues with noise (like crackling) with fedora, but i fixed that by disabling an optional feature16:20
joacimon my t420 i get slight audio lag when playing quake16:20
joacimbut it is fine in doom16:20
joacimcan probably tweak something, but i havent bothered so much with that on my laptop.16:21
jolupaThanks joacim! go for the pulseaudio install while I go to doctor visit! XD16:21
jolupaAh! another one... sorry... I need alsa if I install pulseaudio?16:22
*** onodera has joined #crux16:23
stenuryou need alsa for apulse. use firefox-bin with that here, no problem (for my use cases).16:24
jolupaOk! Thanks a lot16:24
stenurMe? oh. Just say "apulse firefox".  Really intelligent people can also configure pulse audio, though :-)16:25
stenurBut i have in /etc/asound.conf slave { rate 48000; periods 256; period_time 0; period_size 2048;buffer_size 16384; pcm "hda_intel"; }16:27
stenur(in pcm.xmix, which i made the default, and it just drives it all nicely, several concurrently etc.  No problem.16:27
*** jolupa has quit IRC16:30
stenurmy /etc/asound.conf:
stenurThe world is too fast for me.16:31
*** zimmer__Dl has quit IRC16:45
*** daftaupe has joined #crux16:58
*** jolupa has joined #crux17:00
jolupaOh! Stenur thanks fot the file I will try apulse  when I go back home... thanks17:04
*** zimmer__Dl has joined #crux17:09
*** chinarulezzz_ has joined #crux17:19
*** chinarulezzz_ has quit IRC18:01
TimB_jolupa: apulse should work fine, if you want to avoid pulseaudio, otherwise you would need to use the source build of firefox (including either rust or rust-bin)18:15
*** weednix has quit IRC18:20
*** zimmer__Dl has quit IRC18:51
*** zimmer_Dl has joined #crux19:07
stenurbluez in opt/ does not start without moving /usr/etc/dbus-1/system.d/bluetooth.conf to /etc..19:26
TimB_stenur: it's in contrib and i wanted to replace this with my version of bluez soon19:26
TimB_ basically19:26
stenurA single line fix in Pkgfile, if ..19:26
TimB_it's outdated as well19:27
stenurTimB_: no, i mean the one from opt/19:27
TimB_oh, it's in opt?19:27
TimB_can't do anything with that, then19:27
stenurYeah, i have seen your version 5, and seven months or so old.. but bluez-alsa is much more fat than that of bluez 4, no??19:27
TimB_have had it on my internal 'to do' list, haven't checked it really19:27
TimB_uhm, bluez-alsa has nothing to do with bluez5?19:28
stenurJust taking my first bluetooth steps with Linux here, so .. no idea at all.19:28
stenurFor me it is just about audio at the moment you know; and with alsa.19:28
TimB_bluez-alsa is a wrapper to use alsa through bluetooth connection, iirc19:28
stenurSo .. Yes.  They seem to have rewritten the thing more model-view-controller alike, likely, and so that A2DP or whats the protocol19:29
ryuoit works but i don't recommend it.19:29
stenurmust now come in via a plug-in, if i understood this righ.19:29
TimB_ryuo: what exactly?19:30
ryuousing bluetooth audio through ALSA.19:30
ryuothe nature of it isn't very compatible with how ALSA works.19:30
TimB_stenur: i haven't really used much of it, had it working at some point but it was much easier with pulseaudio as well19:30
TimB_i see. yeah i found it very scatchy too, to say the least, but i didn't want to erase my port for it19:30
ryuosame is true for anything that can disappear at any time.19:31
ryuopulseaudio handles this easily because it can switch on the fly, but ALSA cannot. you'd have to restart the application if the bluetooth disconnects.19:31
ryuoALSA isn't well suited to hotpluggable output devices, is the real problem.19:32
ryuopulseaudio works far better with that.19:32
TimB_i wish i could state something different, but pa just works, once it's configured correctly.19:33
stenurHm. I have defective speaker contact, and could walk around better with bluetooth, so.19:33
ryuoPA offers little if you only use integrated audio outputs.19:33
stenurryuo: ah. interesting.19:33
ryuowhich most are.19:34
ryuoabout the only hotpluggable ones are USB or Bluetooth.19:34
ryuobut USB is likely to remain connected for long periods.19:34
ryuoThe major problem is with Bluetooth. It's a giant mess.19:34
ryuowhy would I take a wireless protocol seriously if it has trouble maintaining a connection?19:36
ryuoin general.19:36
stenurLife is one big road with lots of signs.19:37
ryuo3.5mm audio is still the gold standard despite its age.19:37
ryuoaudio isn't usually high bandwidth anyway.19:37
TimB_lol at xkcd19:39
stenurNo, the little, 2.5. But for the streamers who give you 128/256 where <64 ogg would be enough. Not to talk about uncompressed..19:39
TimB_i have bluetooth headphones which work great on my mobile, barely use them though19:39
*** heroux has quit IRC19:44
*** heroux has joined #crux19:50
*** brian|lfs has quit IRC19:51
*** arduo has joined #crux20:01
stenurFailed with bluez, trying your bluez5 tomorrow, TimB_.  Ciao.20:15
TimB_stenur: ok, let me know. gn820:16
*** jolupa has quit IRC20:29
*** jolupa has joined #crux20:29
*** jolupa has quit IRC20:31
*** jolupa has joined #crux20:41
*** SiFuh has quit IRC21:17
*** zimmer_Dl has quit IRC21:58
*** zimmer_Dl has joined #crux22:01
*** zimmer_Dl has quit IRC22:28
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: rust: update footprint some new files from cargo crates22:47
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.5]: libnm-32: add missing .32bit file22:48
*** zimmer_Dl has joined #crux22:52
*** onodera has quit IRC23:14
*** john_cephalopoda has quit IRC23:23
*** john_cephalopoda has joined #crux23:36
*** zimmer__Dl has joined #crux23:38
*** xor29ah has quit IRC23:40
*** zimmer_Dl has quit IRC23:40
*** xor29ah has joined #crux23:46

Generated by 2.14.0 by Marius Gedminas - find it at!