IRC Logs for #crux Wednesday, 2019-08-21

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dlcusapedja, Romster, updated journal at and log of libxfce4ui failure at -- hopefully you've got some ideas.03:22
dlcusapedja, Romster, I believe I'll remove pango-compat since nothing installed depends upon it, and try rebuilding into that environment again, but this time with pedja's configurations.05:21
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: [notify] mariadb: update to 10.4.708:11
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: tdb: update to 1.4.208:11
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: linux-firmware: update to 2019081508:11
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: sane: update to 1.0.2808:11
frinnstDear core-ports08:12
frinnstYour mailbox is almost full.08:12
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: gvim: update to 8.1.189608:24
cruxbot[core.git/3.5]: vim: update to 8.1.189608:25
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jolupaHi all the the p5-alien-build package has a .md5sum mismatch :)08:51
TimB_there is a md5sum in there?08:55
jolupayeah it seems so :)08:55
TimB_i have disabled md5sum in my container.. but it seems older, must have missed it, thanks08:57
jolupaNo problem08:57
Romsterderp :P08:59
TimB_there are more <.< fml09:00
Romsterwrites a new prt-verify module :D09:00
TimB_obviously I should include that in my shell function ;D09:02
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: p5-file-which: delete .md5sum09:03
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: libindicator-gtk3: delete .md5sum09:03
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: wayland: delete .md5sum09:03
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: wayland-protocols: delete .md5sum09:03
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: qrencode: delete .md5sum09:03
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: p5-sort-versions: delete .md5sum09:03
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: p5-path-tiny: delete .md5sum09:03
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: p5-file-chdir: delete .md5sum09:03
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: p5-ffi-checklib: delete .md5sum09:03
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: p5-capture-tiny: delete .md5sum09:03
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: p5-alien-libxml2: delete .md5sum09:03
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: libxdg-basedir: delete .md5sum09:03
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: libsepol: delete .md5sum09:03
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: libselinux: delete .md5sum09:03
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: libnewt: delete .md5sum09:03
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: libido3: delete .md5sum09:03
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: libdbusmenu-gtk3: delete .md5sum09:03
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: libappindicator-gtk3: delete .md5sum09:03
Romsteri am lazy09:06
Romstergit rm .md5sum09:06
Romstergit add Pkgfile .signature .footprint09:06
Romsterbut then i forget the patches sometimes i should souce the Pkgfile and add the patches from source09:06
TimB_ah well09:07
TimB_checking for .md5sum and deleting it before commiting should do the job without much hassle, right?09:07
TimB_it already checks if the signature is matching, it should maybe however check if it's using the right signature for the right repo :)09:08
TimB_i will think a bit more about it09:08
Romsteryeah probably should do if .signature git rm .md5sum09:08
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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: ghc: fix footprint fixes FS#176009:38
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: zita-convolver: initial commit, version 4.0.310:01
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: zam-plugins: initial commit, version 3.1110:01
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: vamp-plugin-sdk: initial commit, version 2.8.010:01
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: sratom: initial commit, version 0.6.210:01
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: sord: initial commit, version 0.16.210:01
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: serd: initial commit, version 0.30.010:01
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: python3-numpy: initial commit, version 1.17.010:01
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: pulseeffects: initial commit, version 4.6.610:01
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: mda.lv2: initial commit, version 1.2.210:01
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: lv2: initial commit, version 1.16.010:01
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: lilv: initial commit, version 0.24.410:01
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: liblo: initial commit, version 0.3010:01
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: libebur128: initial commit, version 1.2.410:02
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: libbs2b: initial commit, version 3.1.010:02
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: libass: initial commit, version 0.14.010:02
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: ladspa: initial commit, version 1.1510:02
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: calf: initial commit, version 0.90.210:02
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cruxbot[core.git/3.5]: bindutils: update to 9.14.410:07
pedjano wayland/gtk4 for at least another xfce release.11:20
pedjawayland is still not usable enough, and gtk4 won't be usable until 2020/2021 anyway.11:21
pedjait's weird that gtk-4.6, iirc, will be designated 'stable'11:22
pedja(I've read new gtk versioning scheme a couple of times, and still don't understand it)11:24
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Romsterso they are not adhering to semver pedja ?12:03
pedjaiirc, 4.0 marks the start of development, 4.6 marks stable API, or something like that.12:04
Romsterwonder why they can't do odd/even for unstable/stable12:05
Romsteror maybe they are12:05
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: cabextract: picked up port12:05
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: libsdl: picked up port12:05
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: libogg: picked up port12:05
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: libnotify: 0.7.7 -> 0.7.812:05
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: libidl: picked up port12:05
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: libxslt: 1.1.30 -> 1.1.3312:05
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: libyaml: 0.1.7 -> 0.2.212:05
pedjaRomster, try to make some sense out of this :)
Romster"This will make GTK+ more predictable and reliable" what so more stable than gtk3 first was right :P12:09
frinnstwonderful. so now users will probably need to have gtk3, gtk4, gtk5, gtk6 installed12:12
pedjano wonder more and more applications move to qt5 :)12:13
frinnstand theme will break between applications12:13
pedjagtk3/4/5/6 theme. yeah, that would be fun12:14
frinnst"Comments are closed."12:14
frinnstguess they didnt like what the two commenters had to say and decided to limit the flames12:14
RomsterThe new GTK+ versioning scheme is a modification of the “semantic versioning” scheme that we have followed until now.12:17
Romsterthat versioning scheme is pretty much what other gnome projects uses12:18
pedjaif they plan to leave room for api breakage from 4.1 -> 4.2 -> until 4.6, how's that semver? that one prohibits api breakage with minor releases, afaik12:21
Romsterthis second link is like what...12:22
Romsterthat isn't but the first link said about being semver with a modification like going to 1.901 1.902 1.903 before a 2.0 is out.12:24
frinnstisnt docker containers supposed to be somewhat platform agnostic?12:26
frinnstdocker application depends on a specific docker version / storage engine12:26
frinnstfun fun fun12:26
frinnsteverything sucks and is shit12:26
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Romsterapart from the host kernel yes12:28
frinnsti need a bike ride12:32
pedjafamous xkcd about standards comes to mind
pedjain theory, oci-compliant container should run anywhere. docker, podman, clear containers Intel project, etc12:34
frinnstthe shitty vendor uses mongodb in a few other projects12:34
frinnstso that tells you something12:35
frinnstdataloss ftw!12:35
Romsteris mongo that bad at atomic commits?12:36
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frinnstI've had 2 dataloss incidents with that p.o.s software12:36
frinnstcaused by bugs btw12:36
pedjanever understood those noSQL thingies12:37
frinnstthese days when i see mongodb I run fast and for a long time12:37
Romsterother than the mass of slashdot data breaches because some moron left a default password or no password and exposed the database to the world12:37
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Romsteruse a bike you'll go further!12:38
frinnstvery true, its fast!12:38
Romsterlove having the wind rush by12:39
stenurShitty headwind.12:40
pedjathat seat looks uncomfortable :)12:41
frinnstworks great when you don't have any hills to train in :)12:41
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Romsteri need to get a new speedo for mine12:43
Romsterhills are good for stamina training12:43
Romstergot a pump and puncture repair kit you take on your rides?12:44
frinnstco2. I run tubeless so I have those thingies you punch into the hole12:45
frinnstbacon strips or whatever they call them12:45
Romsteror co2 canisters. or are you the guy that uses that slime in tyres for no punctures12:45
frinnstyeah the milk/slime does clog up small holes pretty efficiently12:46
Romsteralthough messy12:46
frinnstbut always some pressure loss. last week I managed to get 2 bigger holes in a descent. had to walk home12:46
Romsteryeah still need air12:47
frinnstits not that messy if you have removable valve cores. just fit the tyre blow some air in so the bead pops into place and then inject the sealant12:47
Romsterwalking is no fun pushing a bike with you12:47
frinnsta few drops might spill out but that's it. highly recommended12:47
Romsteri still run tubes12:48
Romsteri didn't go that high tech12:48
frinnstyeah a spare tube can be a life saver12:48
Romsteryep i cary a spare as well as tyre leavers and puncture repair kit12:49
Romsterone time i lost both brakes that was fun...12:49
frinnstouch but you survived?12:50
Romsterone cable snapped and the other wasn't tight enough and came loose at the calepers yeah i was out of town i just had to go super careful when i got into town12:50
Romsteron the country roads you rarely never need to stop12:50
Romsterand ther eis always a hill to go up and then get off the bike12:51
frinnstyeah shit can go very wrong12:53
Romsterhad a few scares but i'll still get back on a bike12:59
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Romsterincluding a stump i hit the back wheel nut on and i didn't have a spanner on me to straighten my wheel that got knocked off to one side13:01
Romsterwasn't quick release wheels back then and i wasn't that far out13:01
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: rust-bin: clean up permissions13:05
Romsteryour bike is more flash than mine is. frinnst. do you have lights and go for night rides in summer?13:07
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cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.5]: readline-32: 8.0 -> 8.0.113:30
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.5]: elfutils-32: 0.176 -> 0.17713:30
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.5]: cups-32: 2.2.11 -> 2.2.1213:30
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also_uplimei've got some files in /usr/src that are taking up a lot of space in my vm. is there any reason why I couldn't mount /usr/src as a separate partition (mapped to a new virtual hdd) and move those files onto it?14:02
stenurthat's what i do.14:03
stenurHah.  Should be shared in between all CRUX VMs and the one on bare metal though!  But NFS not yet.14:05
stenur(Sounds silly, and is. But NFS not yet, anyway.)14:06
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TimB_ knoppix dumped systemd, it seems14:45
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jolupaok! they sold me Stadia... Seems cool! :P15:58
ryuoin that case, i've got this wonderful bridge to sell you...16:01
jolupaI was reading and, besides the lack of my beloved Nintendo games, looks promising...16:02
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: geeqie: update to 1.5.116:15
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: cups-filters: update to 1.25.316:17
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stenurTimB_: i hope you don't mind, i have created overlays for the two, without GOBEX and CUPS, and rc.d file for bluez-alsa.20:50
stenurDifferent to the documentation the daemon does not even go to background automatically no more?20:51
stenurIt seems they all depend on systemd even for such simple things like daemonizing, i say blind without looking or what-a-mess!20:51
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stenurAnyway, s-s-d with --background and --make-pid-file i used. And now i really have to start dbus from /etc/rc.conf. Grrrr.20:54
stenurGood night everybody!20:54
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TimB_stenur: i would like to take a look into it and maybe merge your changes21:13
TimB_i haven't had a chance to spent quality time with bluez yet O:)21:14
TimB_and good night! ;)21:14
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also_uplimewhat init system does crux use? I couldn't find a definitive name, just "The initialization scripts used in CRUX follow the BSD-style"22:17
also_uplimeok, thanks22:18
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