IRC Logs for #crux Saturday, 2019-09-21

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dlcusaRomster, I finally started the remaining pedja Xfce builds with your Depends on and got as far as mousepad wanting a pango-compat lib, even after rebuilding python3-cairo to make revdep happy.01:43
dlcusaDo you think Xfce should still be buildable withouy pango-compat?  Would you like to see which ports have been build and what footprint mismatches have been accepted?01:45
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Romsterpango-compat should only be needed for pygtk dlcusa02:54
Romsterand pygtk is needed for app indicators that so needs a rewrite02:55
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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: python3-urllib3: 1.25.3 -> 1.25.504:03
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: streamlink: 1.1.1 -> 1.2.004:03
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: python3-pycryptodome: 3.8.2 -> 3.9.004:03
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: youtube-dl: 2019.08.02 -> 2019.09.12.104:03
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: python-pyasn1: 0.4.4 -> 0.4.704:03
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: python3-cssselect: 1.0.3 -> 1.1.004:03
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: python-cssselect: 1.0.3 -> 1.1.004:03
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: python3-cryptography: 2.6.1 -> 2.704:03
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: python-cryptography: 2.6.1 -> 2.704:03
Romsterdlcusa, i think you need to do a rebuild of everything that uses pango to remove that la file04:04
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: python3-setuptools: 41.0.1 -> 41.2.004:47
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: ccache: 3.7.3 -> 3.7.404:47
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: alsa-plugins: 1.1.8 -> 1.1.904:47
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: meson: 0.51.1 -> 0.51.204:47
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: python3: 3.7.3 -> 3.7.404:47
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: zstd: updated to 1.4.309:52
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: qpdf: update to 9.0.110:05
xckothe opt/webkitgtk port unconditionally sets the PATH. although harmless, I think it's a bug. sed -i '/CC/s/;/ &&/' Pkgfile10:49
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dlcusaRomster, thanks for the analysis and the plan--I shall implement it as soon as possible.12:16
Romsterxcko oh i had missed that, you are right.13:05
rmullsignature mismatch for contrib/bluez14:55
TimB_indeed, thanks rmull14:56
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: bluez: fix signature14:59
rmullThank _you_!15:00
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ebisuim installing crux for the first time on my long time coming new desktop build i did today. in the install instructions, when it talks about GRUB it tries to link to a page that doesnt exist. is it safe to say, that im supposed to do the whole grubinstall/mkconfig stuff after i finish building my kernel?17:03
jaegeryes, that should be fine. Is this broken link in the handbook?17:07
ebisuyes17:07
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jaegerwhich one is it?17:07
ebisuhttps://crux.nu/Main/Handbook3-1-Install#grubinstall17:08
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jaegerAre you looking at an old version of the handbook? The links in the 3.5 one seem ok to me17:09
jaeger3.1 is very old, for reference17:09
ebisui might be17:09
ebisulol17:09
also_uplimehttps://crux.nu/Main/Handbook3-517:10
also_uplimeis the latest17:10
ebisuyeah that was the problem, heh17:10
jaegerok :)17:10
also_uplimeare you actually installing a 3.1 iso?17:11
ebisuno no17:11
ebisuits 3.517:11
also_uplimenice17:11
ebisuthat much is for sure17:11
ebisuive wanted to try crux for a long time so i look forward to this17:11
ebisui dont really distrohop but ive used slackware for so long that i think i can manager good17:11
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also_uplimei really like it for my non-serious stuff17:12
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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: spdlog: 1.3.1 -> 1.4.017:21
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ebisui installed the new kernel but when i grub-mkconfig it doesnt detect anything17:32
TimB_/boot/vmlinuz-5.2.2 /boot/System.map-5.2.217:33
TimB_they have to have that nameing scheme17:33
ebisuoh ok thanks17:33
ebisuwhats the current atual kernel version17:33
TimB_5.3 something i think17:34
ebisuno i mean in crux17:34
ebisui built a custom kernel in setup with provided sources17:35
TimB_dunno what 3.5 ships17:35
ebisuok it seems to be 4.19.4817:35
ebisuno working init found, this is probably my fault though17:37
ebisuany guesses17:37
TimB_can it mount your /?17:38
ebisui got a kernel panic. id think it can becasue it can run sh17:38
ebisuit says to pass an init option to the kernel17:39
TimB_mh, no idea17:39
TimB_have you enabled the filesystems you are using built into the kernel?17:40
ebisuyes17:40
ebisuits just ext417:40
TimB_no idea, really17:49
stenurIdiots like me do a kernel build with anything on. Then boot that kernel and "lsmod>f; LDMOD=f make O=/usr/obj/linux localyesconfig oldconfig"17:52
stenurThe next kernel fits your system.17:52
TimB_stenur: i would say this is a great timesaver ;)17:53
stenurWell, i really have no idea how to get there otherwise. (Boot ArchLinux, plug into all the externals.)17:55
stenurI spent three days with the 4.19 kernel in April or when it was, but could not get it going - one option was missing. (Forgot which.)17:56
TimB_stenur: i remember i did something similiar with an ubuntu kernel config at some point :)17:57
stenurYeah. But an Ubuntu installation would blow my monthly budget.17:58
stenurTimB_: TimB_: that is17:58
pedja_hpminithe idea of kitchen-sink Crux kernel port comes up from time to time :)18:04
stenurI think it would be great if the ISO kernel would have all the modules, or even all builtin. Then just boot and do the above, first kernel fits. That would be great.18:05
pedja_hpministenur, pitch the idea to jaeger, he is iso overlord18:05
stenurJust wanted to say, some kernel configs are a sharp blade.18:06
joacimwhat a silly idea to switch out linux with a kitchen sink18:06
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pedja_hpminiit's highly unlikely, but if Crux ever wanted to switch to systemd18:10
pedja_hpminisome sort of 'distribution blessed' kernel will probably have to be introduced18:11
pedja_hpminisince systemd requires some kernel stuff enabled18:12
joacimyeah i stumble upon applications that require certain features be enabled once in a while18:13
pedja_hpminiones that deal with containers or vms most of time, in my experience18:14
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pedja_hpminior are a wrapper around iptables and friends18:16
pedja_hpminithese days I enjoy using a kernel configured and built by actual engineers :)18:18
joacimmy servers config hasnt changed much over the years18:19
joacimi think that system is the one i was using since 2.418:20
also_uplimedockers the only thing that required me to rebuild my kernel so far18:20
joacimi forget if it was 2.4 or 2.5. frinnst was rolling his own 64-bit iso then18:21
also_uplimeone of thes days ill remember to setup my build server for a custom iso18:21
also_uplimeclassic WoW keeps getting in the way though18:22
pedja_hpminiyou can build the iso in a chroot/container18:23
also_uplimemy vm keeps running out of hdd space :/18:23
joacimi dont have much wow nostalgia, but i did think about getting back into eve online18:24
joacimccp did  the glorious thing of making nullsec local the same as in wormholes18:24
joacimlovely carebear tears18:24
also_uplimei tried to get into eve online but i've always been terrible at flying sims18:25
pedja_hpminitry ksp, that's more of a crashing sim :)18:26
joacimit is far from a flying sim18:26
joacimmore like a click buttons on flashy reds game18:26
joacimelite dangerous tho. it is fun, but also is more of a flying game18:26
also_uplimeoh crap18:26
also_uplimeim thinking of elite dangerous18:26
joacimwish elite dangerous had more of what made eve great18:27
joacimit has mining, but you cant really do much with it18:27
joacimi dont understand why i stopped playing elite dangerous just as i bought a hotas18:29
pedja_hpmini'hotas'?18:29
pedja_hpminiah, this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HOTAS18:33
pedja_hpminihttp://www.thrustmaster.com/products/hotas-warthog/18:36
pedja_hpminidamn, that's some impressive hardware18:36
joacimhttps://www.logitechg.com/en-us/products/space/x56-space-flight-vr-simulator-controller.html18:36
joacimi went with something cheaper18:37
joacimthe flight sim crowd has even more expensive options =)18:37
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pedja_hpminithat warthog is 400E18:39
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joacimmine sits around 200 euro i think. depending on the mood of the merchant18:40
joacimthey got more expensive over the years :(18:40
joacimwas cheaper under the saitek brand18:40
pedja_hpminihttps://www.aerosoft.com/de/hardware/flugsimulation/?p=1&o=418:41
Anselmogosh, what sorts of games even use that sort of inputs18:43
joacimhttps://www.x-plane.com/18:43
joacimfor space stuff, a plain hotas is good enough18:44
Anselmohmm18:44
TimB_elite dangerous even supports VR.. now imagine that with a nice set of hotas..18:45
joacimVR always makes me think about those girlfriend games18:46
jaegerstenur, pedja_hpmini: check out the defconfig at https://crux.nu/gitweb/?p=system/iso.git;a=blob;f=kernel/linux-4.14.88.defconfig;h=73a7476a259f7c798b6a0418b8c0a68e308dd6bf;hb=HEAD - it does have most things builtin that should be needed to at least boot on common hardware18:47
TimB_joacim: i was gonna say elite + vr + hotas needs a rumble seat addon, but i guess this could work out for your waifu as well :D18:47
TimB_but really: those kind of games.. weird. but VR is great in general. lot's of fun stuff to explore18:48
joacimi'd love to try it with elite dangerous18:49
joacimstar citizen too. havent tried that game yet18:50
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TimB_i haven't tried either, but i have a friend telling me about elite18:51
TimB_i am sure it's really really good18:51
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stenurjaeger: thanks, but please no, i have no glue at all. It booted it. It is just that it needs two compilations to get to a slim custom kernel thereafter. (For me.)18:52
TimB_joacim: also: project cars 8-)18:53
TimB_i am sure this would be fun, with proper controllers and seat18:53
jaegerwell, nobody will force you to use it, just suggesting it because it's a decent starting point18:53
pedja_hpminiagreed18:54
pedja_hpmininever bothered with making the kernel config 'slim', thou18:57
pedja_hpminihardware works, applications that require some kernel features work? good enough for me18:58
pedja_hpminiafter being bitten a few times with things breaking after I 'streamlined' kernel18:59
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pedja_hpminiI just leave it alone, once I get it to working state19:00
pedja_hpminilame? yes. do I care? not really :)19:00
joacimI'll remove the obvious things like certain controllers that i dont have19:01
joacimbut i'll keep most other things19:01
pedja_hpminidrivers section is the safest to fiddle with19:02
pedja_hpminiwell, most of it19:03
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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: libreoffice: 6.3.2.1 -> 6.3.2.219:51
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: spdlog:  -> 1.4.019:51
joacimmy laptop was a lot more effort to upgrade to 3.519:53
joacimthan my virtual machines19:53
joacimstarted the upgrade 8 hours ago or so19:54
xckoz3bra: are your ports still for crux 3.4 or have you moved to 3.5?19:55
xckobtw z3bra the doas port is incomplete (empty dir)20:05
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john_cephalopodaI usually use the default config, throw out some wifi things, put in the intel wifi blob, add audio, graphics, input devices (wacom tablet, joypad) and enable some fs (FUSE, various windows-related fs just in case).21:18
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jaegerJust did a hackintosh install on my ryzen 5 3600/ab350 mini-itx box... it was an interesting experiment but not very practical21:46
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dlcusaRomster, thanks for the analysis and the plan--I shall implement it as soon as possible.22:56
joacimanything you had to fiddle with to makeit work?22:56
joacimjaeger: often see people try to convince me and others that os x on non-apple hw is a flawless experience22:57
jaegerheh. not even close22:57
jaegerIt's more work on some than others but none of them I'd call flawless22:57
joacimi never tried it on my hardware. thought it wouldnt be stable, and more work than it was worth23:02
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