IRC Logs for #crux Saturday, 2019-10-26

cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: gstreamer: remove gst_debug=false as webkitgtk needs debug symbols01:42
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: midori: 8.0 -> 9.001:42
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Romsterjue, wrt poppler, well that is interesting, i always thought internal API are marked as private and not exported01:52
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cruxbot[xorg.git/3.5]: mesa3d: updated to version 19.2.203:06
cruxbot[xorg.git/3.5]: libglvnd: enabled headers removed from mesa3d, a force pkgadd is necessary03:06
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emmett1afternoon guys :D05:57
emmett1i got error compiling gst-plugins-good. can anyone take a look at this?. thanks05:58
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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: libtorrent-rasterbar: 1.1.13 -> 1.2.206:46
Romstertesting it now emmett106:47
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Romsterhmm strange fails for me too06:52
Romsterit worked before06:52
SiFuhRomster: mine compiled fine07:09
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emmett1_thanks Romster07:14
SiFuhI am missing - I do not have the dependencies installed libdv libshout taglib wavpack installed07:14
emmett1_been google around but not found any clue why07:14
SiFuhemmett1_:  mine compiled fine  but as I said just after you entered I have a tiny footprint mismatch and I didn't try all the dependencies07:15
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emmett1_SiFuh, owh ok, i will check it07:16
Romsteri did just today remove the disabled gst debug from gstreamer for webkitgtk07:18
Romsterprt-get update -fr gstreamer gst-plugins-base07:26
Romsterfixed it for me emmett1_07:27
Romsterrevdep doens't find anything but since i enabled debug symboos gst-plugins-base also needs a rebuild07:27
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: gst-plugins-base: force rebuild for gstramer change removed gst_debug=false07:31
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: libsoup: 2.66.2 -> 2.68.207:31
SiFuhRomster: I was compiling againt gstreamer 1.16.1-107:31
Romsteri already had gstreamer 1.16.1-2 on my system and got the same result until i rebuilt gst-plugins-base07:32
SiFuhyep  doing that now07:37
emmett1_ok Romster thats fixed it :D07:37
emmett1_thanks for that07:37
emmett1_gonna continue my xfce4 build07:37
Romsteri bumped the release so others don't hit that07:37
Romsterrevdep never said an issue07:37
emmett1_yeah i saw it07:37
emmett1_yeah already run revdep but nothing shows07:38
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: libvpx: 1.7.0 -> 1.8.107:38
Romsteri didn't think i broke things that badly.07:38
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: libwebp: 1.0.2 -> 1.0.307:56
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: linux-firmware: 20190815 -> 2019102207:56
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SiFuhRomster: all good here too08:08
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: libva: 2.4.0 -> 2.5.008:09
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: libwpe: 1.4.0 ->
Romsteryeah thought disabling debug symbols was a good idea (tm)08:09
Romsteri've been busy and got behind on stuff08:10
SiFuhI guess you are the one doing all the updates today08:12
TimB_updated fine here as well08:12
Romsterseems that way08:13
Romsteri'm gonna be away a few hours food08:13
SiFuhEverything is layed out accross the floor ready to be packed and I knew I carried a lot of tech and tools but 3/4s! Haha only 1/4 is actual clothes08:14
SiFuhupdated libtorrent-rasterbar08:44
SiFuhqbittorrent fails08:44
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: btrfs-progs: updated to 5.3.110:37
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pedja"Phoenix project" book is a nice sales pitch for devops12:23
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Romstersifuh qbittorrent 4.1.1 is old 4.1.8 is out13:15
Romsterah that's Alexandr Savca that retired out of contrib hmm13:39
joacimblame sifuh anyways13:41
Romsterworks for me on deluge13:41
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: poppler-qt5: update to 0.82.014:07
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: poppler-glib: update to 0.82.014:07
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: poppler: update to 0.82.014:07
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: mpg123: update to 1.25.1314:07
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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: libtorrent-rasterbar1: initial import14:22
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: [notify] qbittorrent: 4.1.1 -> 4.1.8 dependency change: libtorrent-rasterbar -> libtorrent-rasterbar114:22
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jolupaI finally have a new computer and trying to install my xfce port is giving me problems with I installed the pango-compat but is allways giving me the same problem the library is not found... Any suggestion...16:30
jolupaAlso i try the solution that you give me sometime ago with no solution...16:31
pedjajolupa, what does 'no solution' mean? you ran that oneliner, rebuilt all the stuff, and still have issues?16:35
jolupaYeah! Rebuild all the programs that appears with that oneline.. but the problem persist...16:36
pedjacare to paste the build log for whatever is failing to build?16:37
jolupaYeah! Give a few minutes 'cause right now I'm fighting with the iwlwifi driver... I paste the one when i have it working again (I'm on mobile right now)16:39
jolupaIs build in the kernel but now... Can't find the driver... When it works again i post the buildlog... Thanks16:40
pedjasince it's a new computer, maybe starting from scratch, with jaeger's updated iso, is a way to go?16:43
pedjaI know my Crux install accumulated a lot of cruft over the years :)16:46
pedjaentirely my fault16:46
jolupaThe one from
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pedjait will save you some time17:04
pedjamost recent one is from a week ago, afaict17:08
stenurprt-get sysup/pkgmk and ^Z not so good. Or its ninja or what. Had to ^Z while compiling llvm, worked only once. Now ^Z is echoed not honoured, tty state messed up.17:12
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jaegerfrinnst: I'm going to build another 60% keyboard :D ordering one of these:
stenurpfff. give me back a nice metal keyboard which works a decade and is still fine. merde.17:36
stenurRead test of new Microsoft Surface book or so last week, talking about "the best keyboard ever" ( test). Wonder if its true...17:39
TimB_i might get an alu case for my tada68, once it's recovered, one way or the other (got a new pcb in the mail, if all else fails)17:41
joacimdont know how long i've had my filco. still works fine17:41
joacimwant more keyboards tho =)17:41
TimB_the keyboard rabbit hole is real17:41
stenurThe best ever for i still have, but it is IR/PS/2 plus Mouseport, who has this today.  Super small, netbook small, batteries which last 6 months or more, with integrated track ball in the upper right, and two button in upper left.17:41
jaegerI still have 2 codes and a durgod that work great... but my 60% DIY keyboard was made with all very cheap parts, so I'm going to build a bit nicer one17:41
TimB_i just swapped springs in my wooting one this week :D17:42
TimB_jaeger: that dz60 pcb looks great, but lacks iso ;D17:42
jaegernot a problem for me :)17:42
TimB_lucky you =)17:42
TimB_well actually, it does look like it supports iso17:44
TimB_ looking at the kit picture with a mounted plate17:44
TimB_stenur: these actually do come with metal plates ;)17:44
jaegerThis time I'm using cherry stabilizers and cherry switches (still brown), an aluminum case, usb-c, and adding LEDs17:46
stenurTimB_: yeah, wow ;)  Not my kind of thing.  And does not fit well on the laptop.17:46
jaegerI didn't put LEDs on the first one, though I could with a lot of effort17:46
TimB_stenur: you mean those laptops with easily broken keyboards? ;P17:46
TimB_'normal' leds or smd?17:47
jaegerlittle bit of both, actually. The DZ60 already comes with SMD RGB on the bottom which can be controlled and turned off17:48
jaegerBut I'm just going to put normal white ones on each key17:48
jaegerthe standard DZ60 doesn't support per-key RGB, though the higher end model TimB_ linked above does17:48
TimB_ah, didn't notice the differnce at first, thought the price tag was for the plate + case included17:49
TimB_neat tho17:50
jaegerI'm not really interested in the RGB, myself... but I would like the option to have top LEDs (and the option to turn them off)17:50
TimB_i use a tray mount on my desk, so the RGB of the wooting goes unnoticed17:51
TimB_but it's a nice gimmick if you actually have it on your desk17:52
pedjaACTION ddg's wooting17:53
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stenurTimB_: unfortunately. Apple and Lenovo, unlucky year for me.17:54
jaegeryeah, I just looked back at the layouts, they definitely support ANSI and ISO bothj17:54
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TimB_it's confusing sometimes, really.17:56
pedja~200 euros for a keyboard? expensive hobby :)17:56
jaegerSome people go pretty nuts with them... I've even seen people pay $150+ for keycap sets17:57
TimB_listen, if you want a GMK keycap set with iso caps you'd pay easily $170+ to be in the game, as far as i can tell17:58
jaegerThis new one I'm ordering will be $130... expensive compared to a cheap membrane keyboard but not crazy like some people go17:58
jaegerAnd I like the DIY aspect :) The first one was fun to build17:58
jaegerThose GMK sets look nice but I'm not spending that kind of money just on the caps17:58
pedjastill cheaper then her0in, I guess :)17:58
jaegerI use cheap cap sets :)17:58
TimB_yeah, me neither17:58
jaegerpedja: heh, probably so17:59
TimB_pedja: chasing the dragon is for artists, i guess :P17:59
jaegerAnother funny (but cool) thing I've seen is hot swap inserts for key switches18:00
TimB_i got one after market key cap set for 40€, had to be done (the original set was just cruel)18:00
TimB_according to r/mk these things tend to fail though18:01
TimB_the wooting 1 got hot swap seats, so far they work18:01
jaegerIt's a neat idea, though I don't see myself swapping switch types18:01
TimB_what if one switch fails during a professional esport event? everybody got to have it ;)18:02
TimB_but seriously, the kaihl product for that costs $0.1, you still get to solder something and it makes maintenance in the future pretty easy18:03
jaegerIt's unlikely that I will be participating in any pro esports :D18:03
jaegerI've seen the kailh sockets. They look solid but are they only compatible with kailh switches then?18:04
TimB_i wouldn't think so18:04
jaegerThey look like they stick up too far for standard pcb-mounted switches18:04
TimB_the contacts look pretty much standard, but the pcb have to support it18:05
jaeger(I'm not 100% sure, I don't have any. Just going by pictures I've seen)18:05
TimB_i have to admit that all the cherry switches i worked with, i never unsoldered one and i never bought any extra switches, so i can just tell for kaihl, outemu and gateron18:06
jaegerI've tested (not built but used on other keyboards) gateron and cherry blue, brown, and red... browns are my favorites so far but I've not used black or clear or the newer heavy box kailh ones or whatever18:07
jaegerso many kinds of switches18:07
TimB_they seem to go crazy with all kinds of stuff now.. :)18:08
TimB_regarding keyboard stuff18:09
jaegerI type a LOT, though, so I'm happy to collect a few mechanical keyboards18:09
pedjaare blue, brown, black etc. designations consistent across switches, or every vendor has it's own system?18:10
jaegerthey seem mostly consistent18:10
pedja"bucklespring emulates the sound of IBM Model-M"18:15
pedjathat would be fun to try on this rubber netbook keyboard :)18:16
john_cephalopodaBuckle spring is quite a simple technology.18:16
pedjanope, not annoying *at all*18:19
john_cephalopoda"This project emulates the sound of my old faithful IBM Model-M space saver bucklespring keyboard while typing on my notebook, mainly for the purpose of annoying the hell out of my coworkers."18:21
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joacimlots of focus-centered text editors has features like  that19:33
john_cephalopodaI doubt that it improves productivity in any way.19:33
joacimcould make it relaxing tho19:34
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stenurCiao, a nice Sunday i wish.20:51
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chinarulezzzHi all.21:33
chinarulezzzIs anyone removed dash from the base system?21:33
chinarulezzzNothing breaks?21:33
Frankensteinwhy would you want to remove a sh implementatioin?21:36
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chinarulezzzIt seems to me excessive to keep two shells in the system.21:39
chinarulezzzMoreover, I use only the bash.21:39
Frankenstein¯\_(ツ)_/¯ there are things that use sh rather than bash21:40
Frankensteini'd imagine it would break the init system for starters21:40
UNIXn3rdbash and dash?21:40
chinarulezzzUNIXn3rd: yep.21:41
joacimone could point the sh symlink back to bash21:41
Frankensteini guess you could symlink bash to sh21:41
joacimbut, effort21:41
joacimi'd just leave it21:41
Frankensteinbash as sh also has some different behaviors than dash as sh21:41
jaegerYeah, you should be able to remove dash if you want to... but make sure to have a symlink for /bin/sh as mentioned21:41
UNIXn3rdI only just checked it, didn't think much of 2 shells on the system as other UNIX systems I used had more21:42
Frankensteinthe freebsd's i used to manage had zsh, bash, and ksh21:43
UNIXn3rdYea, freebsd, solaris and couple of other unixes from the modern times had many of those shells too21:43
UNIXn3rdOlder Unixes used to have at least 321:44
Frankensteinmac's got all of the shells to be extra special21:45
chinarulezzz@jaeger: It will not break anything?21:45
chinarulezzzWill core ports' scripts follow posix shell?21:45
Frankensteinyou mean the Pkgfiles?21:46
kvikFrankenstein: bash and zsh on freebsd? what are you talking about?21:46
kvik$ uname -a21:46
kvikFreeBSD <retracted> 12.0-RELEASE-p3 FreeBSD 12.0-RELEASE-p3 GENERIC  amd6421:46
kvik$ bash21:46
kvik-sh: bash: not found21:46
kvik$ zsh21:46
kvik-sh: zsh: not found21:46
Frankensteinkvik: it wasn't a stock freebsd21:46
UNIXn3rdbash is usually installed via ports on freebsd21:47
Frankensteinneeds that weird fstab entry too21:47
kvikFrankenstein: it sounded like you claimed it comes with the system21:47
Frankensteinkvik: thats why i prefixed it with the ones i managed21:48
chinarulezzzFrankenstein: Pkgfiles, post/pre-install scripts, rc-scripts, etc.21:48
Frankensteinchinarulezzz: Pkgfiles aren't POSIX anyways21:48
chinarulezzzI mean, I want to know. Is there a rule that CRUX-supported stuff will follow POSIX shell, or not. Because I don’t understand what the purpose of having dash and bash in core.21:49
kvikFrankenstein: i mean obviously you can install whatever shell on basically any system :). sorry to jump on you :)21:50
Frankensteinnp, didn't mean to cause confusion21:50
joacimdoesnt debian too use dash for /bin/sh?21:50
Frankensteinubuntu definitely does, so i'd imagine so21:51
joacimcrux switched around the time when there was more talk among users about switching21:51
joacimi personally like it, as it makes bashism more obvious, helping people avoid it when they're making plain /bin/sh scripts21:52
Frankensteinyeah, if i need to do something cross platform or just for crux its a little easier to differentiate21:52
UNIXn3rdlol@bashism sound like a religion21:53
jaegerchinarulezzz: usually it's the other way around... so many things rely on bash that we still sometimes have to work around dash in configure scripts22:05
jaegerIf you grep the ports tree for 'CONFIG_SHELL' you'll see what I mean22:05
jaegerThe reason behind dash's inclusion and switching to it for /bin/sh was configure performance. jue did research on that and found that some ports built a LOT faster using dash. I think mesa3d was the standout22:06
jaegerit ran a ridiculous number of subshells or something and was much faster using dash22:07
Frankensteineven the #bash folks will admit you shouldn't use bash if you want speed22:07
joacimthere's the guy hanging behind the petrol station for that22:08
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Frankensteinthey've got a good deal on deathsticks too22:10
jaegerI don't want to buy deathsticks22:11
Frankensteinyou want to go home and rethink your life choices22:12
jaegerI want to go home and rethink my life choices22:12
UNIXn3rdI see they all use bash22:13
joacimif i get a good deal, i'd buy deathsticks22:15
pedjawell, Watchmen is off to a good start23:15
pedjacool soundtrack, too23:15
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