IRC Logs for #crux Monday, 2019-12-02

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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: shaderc: fix source url01:46
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: webkitgtk: 2.26.1 -> 2.26.2 and fix for icu 65.x01:51
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: qtwebkit: fix for icu 65.x01:51
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: [notify] icu: ABI change check with revdep01:51
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dlcusaAnyone using BPF anywhere?  It seems to be Ubuntu for now.  This 30-minute presentation explains it pretty well if you've not checked it out yet: https://t.co/kno0SqWhH702:05
uplimeberkley packet filter?02:12
uplimei played with it for a minute on openbsd but thats about it02:13
dlcusaIt's grown up a whole lot.02:25
uplimemakes sense. i've got a smart security analyst buddy who likes it02:30
dlcusaWe definitely need to add what's it's become and is becoming to the skill sets.02:32
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javashinhello04:37
javashinhi04:37
javashini got my guide almost complete04:37
javashinwhere is XFCE ??>04:38
javashinhttps://crux.nu/ports/xfce/3.2/???04:42
javashinhttp://dlc.casita.net/~dlc/CRUX/xfce_4.14/index.html ???04:43
javashinhere we go04:43
javashin....04:43
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TimB_javashin: hive.gnu.systems/doc another set of docs06:00
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Romsterno i broke everything rage?08:20
Romsterjavashin, yeah i contributed a little to xfce, it really needs a better home it keeps being moved and different maintainers08:23
javashinall works08:25
javashini got it working already08:25
javashinill be back in a second08:31
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TimB_Romster: no, you're good08:33
TimB_currently updating qtwebkit after revdep ;P08:33
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Romsteri'm trying a solution for inkscape09:11
TimB_i checked the upstream repo and haven't found a commit for 0.8309:12
TimB_is there something new yet?09:12
Romsternope but i am trying something09:13
TimB_cool09:13
TimB_got to leave again for work, let me know if you need any testing done on the patch you are writing09:30
TimB_laters09:30
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Romsterless of a patch and more of a permanent solution09:31
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javashinthis is what im doing10:16
javashinhttps://youtu.be/8Pyme6bKboo11:11
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TimB_Romster: so you make inkscape use the public (stable) api that jue mentioned? even nice :D12:25
TimB_nicer*12:26
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dlcusaI put in the request for the Xfce repo to be added to crux.nu/portdb many days ago, but I guess teK_ is still handling those when he can make the time.14:34
jaegerI'll look for it, probably missed it due to holiday and work keeping me busy14:49
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jaegerdlcusa: found the mail, I'm adding it to the portdbs and reenabling your personal repo. Side note, is this link correct? http://dlc.casita.net/~dlc/CRUX/xfce_4.14/.xfce_4.14.pub <-- note the '.' before the pub key15:47
dlcusaIt is.15:48
jaegerok15:48
jaegerok, it's added. Sorry for missing the email15:50
dlcusaSuper.  It's been a while since there was an Xfce repo there.15:53
jaegeryeah15:56
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javashinhow looks https://youtu.be/8Pyme6bKboo ?16:40
dlcusajavashin, that's pretty cool!  Cleaned up it may increase CRUX mindshare.  Suggest "no systemd" be highlighted early.17:00
javashinyup17:02
javashinno systemd17:02
javashinwhen i made the install video how to guide i will include no systemd for sure17:03
dlcusaGotta leave the IT center for  several hours--later.17:05
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chinarul2zzzjavashin: >> mount: /{proc,sys}: none already mounted or mount point busy.18:37
chinarul2zzz:-P18:37
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jaegerjavashin: looks ok but it's odd... it claims to be a how to guide but I didn't see any guide in it18:57
jaegermight be better to say it's a demo video or something18:57
jaegerdlcusa: nice job on the xfce_4.14 repo, looks very clean (prtverify-wise, I mean)19:08
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dlcusaAnd I didn't even run prtverify(!), jaeger :-)  (but I did use findredundantdeps).  Did you look at the index.html, too?19:40
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jaegerI did. Lot of stuff there. Might be nice to add a sort of "quick start" prt-get depinst command19:50
jaegerAlso building in a VM to give it a look19:52
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jaegerMight also be nice to have a meta-port that installs the required stuff20:01
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dlcusaI've put those suggestions on my copiously sparse TODO list. jaeger.20:10
jaegerok :)20:19
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dlcusajaeger, I've added a "Quick Start" section to the index.html.21:12
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ryuodlcusa: was it a single sentence that reads... "If you need a quick start guide, CRUX is not for you." ? =p21:19
dlcusaQuick is a relative term, ryuo.21:20
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ryuolol21:20
ryuofiar enough.21:20
ryuofair21:20
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jaegerdlcusa: sounds good. I know someone will ask otherwise21:20
jaegerprobably even with it there :)21:20
dlcusaI was going to type...21:21
jaegerI was able to install it in the VM mostly without trouble21:21
dlcusaDefine mostly.21:21
ryuowell, we could get some RTFM launchers for those that don't read it.21:21
ryuoACTION coughs.21:21
jaegersome non-obvious deps might still be missing... for example, a port that doesn't depend on gtk to build but does run "gtk-update-icon-cache" in its post-install21:21
jaegersame with update-desktop-database from desktop-file-utils21:22
jaegerI should have recorded which one that was but didn't, sorry21:23
dlcusaI would have thought such post-install dependecies at least improper.21:23
jaegerIf the post-install is required for proper operation, I'd call it a hard dep, personally21:24
jaeger"proper operation" is somewhat subjective, of course21:24
ryuocrux isn't advanced enough for a distinction between dependency types to matter.21:25
jaegerpersonally, if my icons don't work or applications don't show up in the "applications" drop-down menu or something like that, it feels unfinished21:25
ryuothe problem with source based.21:25
ryuolol21:25
TimB_i guess it depends if you want that port just for the sole purpose of it being a dependency somewhere else, and if that's solves it.. but i would agree with jaeger, makes it a hard dep for me as well21:25
ryuosome of these could be solved if prt-get could rerun the install scripts of previously installed ports when the required dependency becomes available.21:26
ryuobut that would require features it currently lacks.21:26
dlcusaBetter a post-install that checks for the dependency before assuming it's in place, I think.21:26
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jaegerup to you as the repo maintainer, in my opinion21:27
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dlcusaI'm on it--I thought Xfce can't live without gtk.21:32
jaegerIn between tasks I can run individual ports in clean containers and see what happens21:33
TimB_personally, at one point, I went through my ports and tried depinst on every single one of them in a clean container21:33
TimB_that shook a lot out of the trees21:33
jaegerThat's how I test mine, including the MATE repo21:33
dlcusaI will get there...21:34
jaegerFor what it's worth I don't mean any of my comments as an attack, just trying to help improve port quality in general. :)21:35
dlcusaThat's exactly what I thought, jaeger.21:35
jaegerGlad to read that, just making sure as it's hard to tell on the internet sometimes21:35
dlcusaDo tell...21:36
TimB_dlcusa: check out romster/pkg-not, great script for a container setup21:36
jaegerNothing new, just the quintessential problem of text not conveying tone or feeling21:36
dlcusaIn my copius...21:36
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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: fmt: 6.0.0 -> 6.1.021:39
dlcusaInteresting--gtk3 owns /usr/share/man/man1/gtk-update-icon-cache.1.gz21:40
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jaegerwhen building exo I see footprint mismatches: http://ix.io/23pg21:52
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TimB_i get those.. do you have gtk(2) installed?21:56
jaegernot at that point, because it's a clean container and exo didn't depend on gtk, just gtk321:57
TimB_exo-1.so links against libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 (0x00007f3b73cfb000)21:57
jaegergarcon does gtk2 linking as well: http://ix.io/23pk22:01
jaegerSeems like at least those opportunistically link gtk2 if found but don't hard require it22:01
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jaegerfor libxfce4util: http://ix.io/23pn22:04
jaegerso yeah, more opportunistic linking22:04
jaegerThat stuff's always fun as a maintainer22:04
javashin:)22:04
john_cephalopoda/usr/ports/contrib/libreoffice/work/src/libreoffice-6.3.4.1/shell/source/backends/kde5be/kde5access.cxx:31:10: fatal error: kprotocolmanager.h: No such file or directory22:12
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dlcusaThey are absolutely, positively going to drop them, this time (4.16), fer shur.22:13
jaegeroops, I should look at my own prtverify stuff more often, found a problem in mate-media I hadn't noticed22:13
jaegerdlcusa: yeah, MATE went through/is going through the same22:13
TimB_john_cephalopoda: weird, it build for me including the kde VC plugin22:13
TimB_the .h file is included in kio, do you have that installed?22:17
jaegerAnselmo: are you still around?22:17
TimB_i think, currently, it only checks for some kde related dir, maybe kio is the right port to determine wether it's fit to build the kde plugin22:17
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john_cephalopodaTimB_: From which repo is kio?22:54
TimB_john_cephalopoda: kde522:55
john_cephalopodaAh, well, libreoffice is contrib. I thought it would only depend on packages from core/opt/xorg/contrib.22:55
TimB_yeah, it's the same game as with wine/steam/-native-runtime/whoknowswhat22:56
TimB_but it's good to know that it actually needs kio, i will integrate that check later. for now, I'll go to sleep22:56
TimB_you can kick out the kde check line in the meantime to let it finish the update without the kde display plugin which you obviously won't use either, right?22:57
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TimB_would be interesting to know if it only recently failed to build for you or if you have installed any kde related app recently that triggered that. but, as i said, will deal with that tomorrow22:58
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john_cephalopodaI got some kde libs installed because I am using them for Krita. I used libreoffice only as binary before.23:00
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: firefox-bin: updated to 71.023:12
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: cmake: updated to 3.16.023:12
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: dbus-python: updated to 1.2.1423:12
frinnstgreat, nsx broke static ipv6 routes23:13
frinnstRIP evening23:13
jaegerdoh23:14
frinnstnsx update*23:14
frinnst"this shouldn't take too long to update"23:14
frinnstfamous last words23:14
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