IRC Logs for #crux Saturday, 2020-01-25

fysAnyone know how to get dockapps to start in a predictable order?00:04
fys(in openbox)00:04
fysI have the same 5 in my xinitrc but they seem to be in a different order every time I startx00:04
jaegernot I00:19
jaegerIt's probably been a decade since I used openbox00:22
fysI don't understand why they end up in a different order than I execute them.. every time.00:25
fysVery frustrating.00:25
fysGranted, I don't restart X very much.00:25
fysBut still.00:25
ryuofys: when you use async software, things can end up in a different order.00:32
fysFair enough but trying to force it into a particular order escapes my immediate thought process.00:32
ryuofys: but what's a dockapp here? openbox has no official auxiliary software afaik00:43
fysit uses the openbox dock00:45
fysotherwise they wouldn't have a container for the dockapp00:45
fysthat's the "connection"00:45
fysbottom right00:45
ryuoi see. ok.00:48
ryuofys: ?00:48
fysthe eff, ive never seen this page before.00:49
fysThat makes so much sense!00:49
fysryuo: Thank you!00:49
ryuoit was the first result when i searched for openbox dockapp00:49
fysI uh, never thought to uh, google it.00:50
fysNote to self, never get so comfortable with software that you don't google the simple stuff.00:50
fysThanks, dude.00:50
ryuothough you can shorten that by using ';'00:51
ryuoinstead of &&00:51
uplimei never google anything since i can usually get ryuo to do it for me00:51
ryuouplime: get back in the box. it's not yet time for us to let you out.00:52
uplimeACTION wiggles in00:52
ryuobut i found an awesome website tonight00:52
ryuovery useful for researching what hardware stuff has00:53
ryuoi think it should be pinned in the channel topic00:54
fysYeah, it'd be a good'n.00:55
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ryuosometimes i don't understand the people in #ubuntu that seem to want to argue over little details that I seem to know more about. sigh.01:39
fysI don't trust the opinion of anyone in #ubuntu.01:40
ryuosee here01:41
ryuoleftyfb is the one in question01:42
uplimethere was someone like that in #wordpress earlier01:42
ryuothey said the reserved space when formatting (-m) had nothing to do with root01:42
ryuothat's objectively false01:43
fysWordpress users...01:43
fysAs a former webhosting company sysadmin.01:43
fysFUCK wordpress users.01:43
ryuomore like, fuck web developers?01:43
uplimeas a current webhosting company sysadmin,01:43
uplimeFUCK wordpress users01:43
fysI've been dealing with that shit for over a decade.01:44
ryuouplime: any openings? :)01:44
uplimeryuo: php devs are bad, but even they think wordpress is bad code01:44
uplimeryuo: haha01:44
fysthe only thing worse than wordpress developers are wordpress users.01:44
uplimeryuo: you'd have to move to ireland01:44
uplimefys: ye01:44
ryuoyou live in the UK?01:44
uplimeno but i think our ireland office is closer to you than where ia m01:45
uplimei could be mistaken tho01:45
fys"I chmod 777'd a bunch of directories and now I have this weird thing called hacked.php that has this thing that says execute command on it."01:45
ryuouplime: how bad could it be?01:45
fysthe life of a webhosting company sysadmin in a nutshell ^^01:45
uplimeryuo: the company is great, its the users you gotta watch out for01:46
uplime"do I do the redirect in my DNS or with you guys"01:46
uplime"is there a plugin for $x"01:46
ryuoreminds me of the slogan i put in #frugalware.dev01:46
ryuoThis is a development zone. Watch where you step. *BOOM* Damn, we lose more good developers that way.01:46
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dlcusaBe back soon, I think.04:20
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dlcusa now has rc2 files, including a diffs file.  I improved doc of the localizations needed to get it running on a new box type.06:37
fysthis is going to be a stupid question06:38
fyswhy do you specify the desktop used?06:38
fysdoes that impact running it06:38
dlcusaYou mean Xfce?  That's all I've tested.  If you use Mate, you may encounter surprises (but probably not).06:41
fysi use openbox306:42
fysthe tarball is weird06:43
dlcusaIt impresses me that the 90's X application still runs.06:43
fysit doesn't create a directory06:43
dlcusaSo you can name it what you like--you might want more than one.06:44
fyswell i just extracted it in my home dir06:44
fysand it exploded lol06:44
dlcusaCould you clarify the result?06:45
fysall the root level files and directories went directly into my home dir06:45
fyswhich i guess is your intended behavior but i wasnt expecting that06:46
fysi would recommend making it default to being in a dir06:48
dlcusaI think I need to move the download/chksum/extract instructions from the to the README.06:51
dlcusafys, now sports rc3--I hope the diffs work well enough for you and others.  Thanks for bringing this to my attention.07:33
dlcusaInitiating sleep cycle...07:45
fyser nn07:47
tilmanfys: i started running 'tar tf' on unknown files to prevent such tar bomb explosions ;)07:47
fysYou're obviously a smarter man than I.07:48
tilmannah, i probably ran into tar bombs more often than you :D07:48
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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: libreoffice: ->
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cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.5]: nss-32: 3.49.1 -> 3.49.212:10
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: python3-cairo: 1.18.2 -> 1.19.012:29
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: python-cairo: 1.18.2 -> 1.19.012:29
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: python3-pip: 19.3.1 -> 20.0.212:29
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: python-pip: 19.3.1 -> 20.0.212:29
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: python3-packaging: 20.0 -> 20.112:29
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: python-packaging: 20.0 -> 20.112:29
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: meson: 0.52.1 -> 0.53.112:29
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TimB_Romster: python-cairo12:58
TimB_might be python-setuptools related12:59
TimB_mh, nope12:59
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: thunderbird: 68.4.1 -> 68.4.213:34
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: youtube-dl: 2020.01.15 -> 2020.01.2413:34
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: docutils: 0.15.2 -> 0.1613:34
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: python3-urllib3: 1.25.7 -> 1.25.813:34
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dlcusaOops, forgot to replace the web page's README--done.14:27
dlcusafys, ^ -- Yeah, it's been a long time since I blind-extracted a tarball into something like my home directory--I don't even think about it.14:29
dlcusaAnd I've gotta run again...14:29
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dlcusaacm-rc4 is now at -- mostly hints reorganization and consistency nits23:40
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