IRC Logs for #crux Saturday, 2020-02-01

fysI ain't used cobbler in years.00:10
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fysthis is kind of funny00:45
fysive got pkgutils working on my gentoo box00:45
fys=======> Building '/home/fys/ports/ports/ports#1.6-1.pkg.tar.gz' succeeded.00:45
TimB_there is even a port for pkgutils for openbsd00:47
fyswell im using it for a very niche purpose00:48
fysi keep stuff installed in my home dir00:48
fysso im using pkgutils to manage those00:48
fysaway from portage00:49
fyswhy? because i can.00:49
TimB_sure thing :D00:49
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frinnstah Han. i remember him03:00
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TimB_didnt he maintain a rather large repo back in the day? for crux03:05
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fysthat name sounds familiar03:16
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ryuozimmer_Dl needs to fix their connection.04:36
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: qtwebengine: 5.13.2 -> 5.14.106:12
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: qt5: 5.13.2 -> 5.14.106:12
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dlcusaI just put up rc6 for ACM at with much more new pilot help in manual Intro, plus made team_x option naming consistent.  Definitely the last RC--only nits or showstopers henceforth.06:40
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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: mkvtoolnix: 42.0.0 -> 43.0.007:39
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: inkscape: poppler rebuild07:39
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: imagemagick-compat: 6.9.10-84 -> 6.9.10-9007:39
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: python3-lxml: 4.4.2 -> 4.5.007:39
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: python-lxml: 4.4.2 -> 4.5.007:39
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: streamlink: 1.3.0 -> 1.3.107:39
fyssomeone's busy07:41
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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: p5-xml-writer: update url10:45
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: p5-text-csv-xs: 1.37 -> 1.4010:45
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: p5-term-readkey: 2.37 -> 2.3810:45
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: p5-net-ssleay: 1.85 -> 1.8810:45
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: p5-ipc-system-simple: 1.25 -> 1.2610:45
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: p5-io-socket-ssl: 2.060 -> 2.06610:45
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: p5-file-slurp: 9999.28 -> 9999.2910:45
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: p5-archive-extract: 0.80 -> 0.8610:45
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: p5-alien-sdl: update url10:45
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: mpv: 0.31.0 -> 0.32.010:45
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: minecraft-launcher: 2.1.10835 -> 2.1.1131410:45
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: libao: 1.2.0 -> 1.2.210:45
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: p11-kit: -> 0.23.2010:51
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.5]: p11-kit-32: -> 0.23.2010:52
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.5]: nspr-32: 4.24 -> 4.2510:54
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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: cbindgen: 0.12.2 -> 0.13.011:36
TimB_i can't ports -u && prt-get sysup fast enough11:36
Romsteri had to add xinerama_head = 2 to get it on the right monitor11:42
Romsteri'm to fast for you TimB_11:43
TimB_your distcc cluster is bigger11:43
TimB_no chance11:43
TimB_xinerama_head for what btw?11:43
Romsterbecause i got 3 monitors11:44
TimB_but which program needed it?11:44
Romsterso i can pick what monitor to put it in11:44
TimB_i don't follow, but i haven't had coffee yet11:44
TimB_i got some updates to do as well, but can't while the machines bumps qt5*11:45
TimB_so thanks for that :p11:45
Romsteri have 3 monitors across my desktop11:46
Romsteryeah you got a ton of p5-* ports that need a bump i see11:46
Romsternetworkmanager is at 1.22.2 and 1.22.4 has been out for some time11:47
TimB_mh.. 1.22.4 doesnt show up in the rss feed that i subscribed11:52
TimB_p5 yeah, i do check it every other week11:52
TimB_got a seperate ck4up conf for that11:53
Romsterah as there is so many now11:56
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: mtr: 0.92 -> 0.9312:02
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: mpd: 0.21.18 -> 0.21.1912:02
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: libmpdclient: 2.17 -> 2.1812:05
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: lighttpd: 1.4.53 -> 1.4.5512:05
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: libpeas: 1.22.0 -> 1.24.112:28
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: cgit: 1.2.1 -> 1.2.212:28
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: cpuid: 20180519 -> 2020012712:28
Romstergit log12:29
pedjaTimB_, still having trouble building R?12:35
TimB_pedja: yeah12:36
TimB_i haven't spent much time diggin on it though12:36
Romsterhsan, hi i didn't quite get waht you were going on about xfce12:37
TimB_i'll be back in a bit, need to get some groceries for the weekend12:37
dlcusahsan, I never found you on IRC to respond to your private message.12:39
dlcusaI haven't heard about any issues for CRUX.  There have been some mentions of xfdesktop on the Xfce mailing list.  I'd look there and/or ask on #xfce.12:40
pedjaTimB_, 'Package Installation' section in the NEWS for the latest r  mentions something that looks like an issue you are having12:40
cruxbot[xorg.git/3.5]: libva: 2.6.0 -> 2.6.112:41
cruxbot[core.git/3.5]: util-linux: update to 2.35.112:41
cruxbot[core.git/3.5]: sudo: update to 1.8.3112:41
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: libsecret: 0.19.1 -> 0.20.112:42
pedjaACTION haven't compiled stuff in months12:44
pedjadon't miss it, either :)12:44
Romstermust be so far behind12:44
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pedjaswitched to Leap on netbook after hard disk on my desktop died12:45
pedjano funds to get the new one atm :)12:45
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.5]: libva-32: 2.6.0 -> 2.6.112:46
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pedjaRomster, Australia still on fire? or it's under the control now?12:47
Romstermy area is under control but NT is under fire12:48
pedjagood to hear you are safe12:49
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: oniguruma: initial release, version 6.9.412:49
dlcusahsan, xfdesktop  4.14.2 was announced on Jan 13 (, but I've been too tied up with ACM to bump the CRUX port.  Hopefully I'll do that by Monday.12:50
Romster"<hsan> Rebuilt cairo and freetype with patches" not sure what patches he was referring to12:53
pedjathat might explain the segfaults(iirc, that was the issue)12:56
dlcusapedja, you think he built 4.14.2?12:57
pedjadlcusa, tbh, not sure what's the issue is. I referred him to you as a xfce maintainer :)12:57
dlcusaThis one-way communication is problematic.12:58
pedjasince I can't test to verify12:58
pedjayeah. thread on the main ml would be much more productive12:59
Romsteri just got that random query like yesterday?13:00
Romsterbut i haven't ran xfce for ages13:00
msiismapropos main ml: Will anyone be looking into the issues with the current Handbook I sent a few days ago? If there was a way for me to submit the changes directly, but "moderated", I'd offer to do it myself, if that'd be ok.13:03
dlcusaWell, he's lurking now, anyway.  I was able to msg him if he's reading.13:03
TimB_pedja: are you telling me that reading the news is actually beneficial? :B13:04
TimB_lol, thanks for letting me know, i think i missed it <.<13:04
pedjaTimB_, based on the build log you pasted, the change mentioned might have something to do with it :)13:05
TimB_pedja: i see what you mean, thanks for letting me know13:07
pedjafwiw, arch and opensuse have no patches for the latest r.13:08
msiismI've tried to install w3m today, but bulding failed. Here's the log:
TimB_did you depinst or install?13:10
msiismjust install...13:10
TimB_pedja: that i know ^^'13:10
TimB_slackware etc don't either13:10
msiismACTION reads man prt-get13:10
msiismOk, trying depinst.13:11
msiismTimB_: That fixed it, thanks.13:12
dlcusaI'm going away indefinitely again, probably for at least half a day, though.13:15
pedjathat's hardly 'indefinitely' :)13:15
msiismBy the way, do I need llvm to run CRUX? I mean, I don't program in C myself (gave up on that and moved on to Lisp) and would probably use GCC anyway, if I did.13:15
pedjamesa needs it, iirc13:16
msiismOk, I see.13:16
pedja'prt-get dependent llvm'13:16
TimB_add --all to that13:17
TimB_you can't get around some of the dependencies..13:17
pedjaah, lisp. very helpful error messages when compile breaks13:19
dlcusapedja, you never know when I'll be able to take a peek, let alone respond.  Maybe I'm The Shadow.  "Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men?"  Yeah, yeah....13:19
msiismTimB_: Ok, noted.13:20
pedjagcc, llvm, clang, rust, the list of stuff required keeps growing13:22
TimB_go, lua, a trillion python/perl modules13:23
TimB_i like rust alone 10x more than all of my p5 and python ports13:23
pedjaI use miniconda for pythpn/data science stuff13:24
pedjapython, even13:24
pedjaleap ships with 3.6.1013:24
msiismACTION just now realized what llvm really is13:25
msiismWell, when Python 2 is finally faded out, there will be one less dependency there.13:26
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TimB_if you made a package for python3, it's not that bad to make a python2 version of that13:26
TimB_it's just the mass of them which i hate in general :)13:26
TimB_just look at prt-get depends biber13:27
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Romsterthw whole p5 and perl 6 thing13:28
msiismBut are these Perl modules themselves not rather small?13:28
TimB_you miss my point13:28
pedjaI'd just nuke all the py2 ports other then the interpreter from repos13:28
TimB_it's not about how big they are13:28
msiismTimB_: Ok, I see.13:29
TimB_it's the number needed to get it running13:29
TimB_pedja: i have some stuff that still only works with py2 :(13:29
TimB_so i can't yet13:29
pedjalike what?13:29
TimB_out of the top of my head, sc-controller13:30
hsanyes xfdesktop 4.14.2 Rebuild dependencies. just in case glib gtk3. All the same, constantly traps: xfdesktop [20301] general protection fault ip: 5620baefafcd sp: 7fff30ff8a50 error: 0 in xfdesktop13:30
pedjahsan, use the paste service, please13:30
msiismACTION realizes that things are very much up to date in Crux13:31
pedjaheh. sc-controler dev plans to bundle py2 for parts not covered with C port.13:41
pedjaGUI, mostly13:41
TimB_yeah i know13:42
TimB_i am looking forward for that to become useable :)13:42
pedjathere is a py3 fork, apparently13:42
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msiismAs it seems, there are intitally no config files for Bash (or sh) on a Crux system after installation. Right?13:43
msiismOk, 'find' answered that. There are merely a couple of bash completion files.13:46
TimB_pedja: i am trying to make use of the information from the R changelog and it seems like i am too stupid for that13:51
pedjaheh. I've read it a dozen times, still have no idea what it actually means13:52
TimB_i'll have to seek help on that one. my current tactic was sitting it out and crunching on it from time to time with no luck at all <.<13:52
TimB_so yeah...13:52
pedjaI'd suggest reverting to openblas providing lapack, as a test of sorts13:54
pedjathose libs can be finicky, from experience13:54
TimB_thats not the problem13:55
TimB_at least not here with r right now13:55
TimB_i am looking at the source code right now..13:55
TimB_how hard can it be :B13:55
pedjadoes the previous version build?13:56
TimB_that's why i was lowballing it :)13:58
pedjaand the latest master?13:58
TimB_i didn't test that yet13:58
pedjatrunk, whatever it's called in svn :)13:58
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Romsterbisect the commits to find who borked it14:03
TimB_first need to install subversion.. but the machine is already crunching on qtwebengine14:28
msiismI've just created a ~/.bashrc, but after logging out and logging in again (on the tty), the file is not being sourced automatically. What else do I need to do?14:34
TimB_echo $SHELL14:35
TimB_mh, not sure then, not a bash user14:35
msiismwhat do you use, zsh?14:36
msiismI see.14:36
TimB_svn checkout alone is painful...14:40
pedjathey have daily svn snapshots14:42
TimB_it's too late to think about stuff :P14:43
pedjaheh. I am surprised there isn't a github mirror14:44
TimB_there is14:44
pedjaI couldn't find one, at least14:44
TimB_even with a workaround for the svn checkout test make does -.- found that too late too :P14:45
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msiismOk, problem solved: If you want to have things in ~/.bashrc read on login, you need to source it in ~/.bash_profile.14:47
msiism(because login shell)14:48
uplimealthough funnily enough, if its _just_ an interactive shell or over ssh, iit will try to source .bashrc directly14:49
pedjahm. there is a git mirror, but it has to be built from svn snapshot? ffs14:50
msiismuplime: yeah, i was meaning to say "interactive login shell" (vs. "interactive non-login shell")14:50
uplimeyeah, its a confusing process :(14:51
msiismFull disclosure: I've been working on an article about Bash setup "from scratch" for more than a year. Crux seems an even better system than Void for documenting this, so I'm going to adjust my notes to that.14:53
msiismIt will be simpler.14:53
uplimeneat, do you have a link?14:57
msiismnot yet, it's all on my local drive.14:58
msiismi mean, it's not finished.14:58
uplimei've got one i've been working on,, which is _technically_ public facing, but nobody knows the url of it :>14:59
uplimeerm, not specifically about bash setup but it does glance over it15:00
msiismThe problem with writing a general guide to setting up Bash is not only that it is a bit complex, but also that it is really a distro-specific thing.15:00
msiismFor example, Debian comes with config files by default that are just overwhelming.15:01
uplimeyeah, i've got different dotfiles for my mac than I do for the ubuntu servers I support than I do for my personal crux servers15:01
uplimei dont even bother with default os dotfiles anymore15:02
msiismOk, but not going by what they specifiy might break things, I fear.15:04
msiismI mean, some distros really have a very complex setup.15:05
uplimewhat do you expect it to break?15:05
msiism"things", not exactly sure.15:05
uplimegenerally those dotfiles are just to make the user experience more personalized, but don't actually effect administration15:05
msiismI mean, I would really have to study those files to be able to be more specific.15:05
uplimea lot of the code in them is just setting up the prompt (albeit not very efficiently)15:06
msiismYeah, i just use a "classic Debian-style" promt for my normal user accounts and then \h:\w\$ for root. all without colors.15:07
uplimesame, i used to like the colors but having no-colors is nice15:08
uplimewell, i do actually have colors in my ubuntu server dotfiles, but thats just so my colleagues don't realize i use a custom config15:09
msiismWell colors aren't bad, generally, but even GNU dircolors is overdoing it, IMO.15:10
uplimei can see the appeal, but i guess im just a monochromatic guy15:11
uplimealthough grep colors are pretty handy ill admit15:12
uplimeif I used plain ls more I can see why those would be handy too, but I usually use ls -lA (aliased to ll) instead15:12
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msiismTo create local ports in order to build customized packages, do i simply put up a dedicated directory in /usr/ports/, copy stuff over, modify the Pkgfile, build and install?16:28
msiismOk, that seems easy then. Nice.16:36
joacimadd the directory to prt-get.conf too, if you want prt-get to be able to keep track of it16:36
joacimif there is a version difference between your local modification, and what is in other repositories, the port will be listed by ports -d16:37
msiismOk, good to now.16:37
joacimin cases where the port was updated in opt, but your modification is still an older version16:37
msiismRight. Also, I do need to give it a custom name suffix to prevent the system from mistaking it as the "official" version of the port/package, right?16:39
TimB_either that, or put your repo above whatever you are editing16:39
TimB_if you edit core ports, up top, and so on16:40
msiismAh, right, "order matters".16:40
msiismNow, is there a tutrorial somwhere on how to use Romster's pre-built packages?16:41
msiismI haven't been able to find one.16:41
msiismApparently, that will require a *.rsync file and key file.16:44
msiismOh, so you're uisng signify for repository keys? Interesting.16:45
TimB_ i think pkg-get is what you want?16:47
TimB_not sure though tbh16:47
msiismok, having a look.16:48
msiismI see, this is like prt-get, just for binary packages. Very neat.17:01
msiismHm... doesn't seem to work like I thought it would...17:23
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msiismSo, I thought, let's "simply compile" Qt because I couldn't find a sane way to use pkg-get to install a precompiled binary package. Now starting to regret that... Looks like Qt is the prime example what I thought “second-system effect” meant. Unfortunately, that means somehting else.19:38
stenurShouldn't just downloading and running pkgadd on it just do it.19:47
stenurMaybe i should use his qemu-all, and some others.19:48
msiismI thought that I probably shouldn't do that because I have no way of verifying the downloaded package.19:49
stenurIt is HTTPS.19:50
msiismNow, I've had a look at the buildscript of Bash to see if it would verify the source package pulled from the GNU FTP mirror in any way. Well, it doesn't, which makes my problem statement kind of void.19:51
stenurThis box seems to be unbelievable fast.19:51
msiismI mean, it might seem paranoid, but I usually don't install things that are not digitally signed, like with a gpg key or signify.19:52
stenurWell. Sometimes announcements or web pages show signatures aka checksums.19:52
stenurYou seem to use computers for a short time.19:52
msiismYeah, I wa shpoing to find an MD5SUMS or SHASUMS file somwhere, bit didn't, at leats not for the package I was gonna download.19:53
stenurxz has a builtin checksum19:55
msiismHow does that work then? The compressed file is checksummed before in is finalized and then shipped with that checksum to be checked when extracting?19:56
stenurYes. Should refrain from extracting in case of errors.19:57
msiismOk, that is neat.19:58
msiismHm... I mean, it would really be neat if ports could contain a step verifying at least checksums. That makes them harder to write, yes. but it would be more secure. I'll try things with my customized port for keepassxc, maybe.20:00
msiismI just hope they manage to ditch qt as a hard dependency soon. They are already working on it. (The keepassxc people, I mean.)20:01
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: p5-xml-libxml-simple: 0.99 -> 1.0120:02
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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: p5-xml-libxml: 2.0201 -> 2.020220:02
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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: coin-or-coinutils: 2.11.3 -> 2.11.420:02
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: coin-or-osi: 0.108.5 -> 0.108.620:02
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msiismOk, I just killed that senseless qt compilation.20:14
msiismBut now I goatta remove the already compiled files. Where would I find them?20:14
jaegerThe work dir is cleaned up automatically when you stop a build20:18
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msiismoh, nice.20:19
jaegerunless you pass '-kw' to pkgmk20:19
jaegerIf you did, it would be in PKGMK_WORK_DIR (defined in /etc/pkgmk.conf)20:20
msiismI see.20:21
msiismok, I'll now simply get the binary package.20:21
dbrookemsiism: in a signed port the downloaded source archive is one of the signed componenents, but of course you still have to trust the packager and that what they signed is correct20:25
msiismOh, ok, but that's already way better. I mean, I'd have to trust the maintainers in any distro.20:28
msiismBut it would probably also be possible to verify the upstream source with checksums and keys provided directly by upstream development.20:29
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crash_evening :)20:46
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msiismOk, now, having modified the Pkgfile of keepassxc in my custom ports directory, I get a signature mismatch error. How can I provide a corect signature?21:14
msiismI simply took the Pkgfile from the keepassxc port in contrib.21:14
stenurThe CRUX wiki has an entry, wait (create your own key, and do it)..21:15
msiismok, i'll have a look.21:15
msiismah, thanks21:16
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msiismOk, that worked. Though that wiki page really needs to be updated...21:32
stenurSome of those basic ports as such would need an update.21:35
msiismyou mean unsigned ones?21:35
stenursignify itself. No.21:36
stenurJust so. In general.21:36
msiismSo, I have my own "signify-ed" local custom ports repo now. That's really going quite well. :)21:36
stenurI need to update my ones. Have not done that for about two months. Some would need it.21:37
msiismI will probably write a customizer script fo each port i customize that checks if the build script has changed, and if not, simply applies changes automatically.21:38
msiismNicely commented, those scripts could also serve as documentation for what to customize manually, if you have to.21:39
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msiismI kind of like cmake. Has a nice progress display.21:44
stenurErich Eckner has written a customizer. It is quite pragmatic at it umbrellas at the likely only possible point to get the job done.21:54
stenurs/at it/as it/21:54
stenurSeems as if it hardly gets any better21:58
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msiismWhere are $PKG and $SRC defined?22:00
msiismah, i see.22:02
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