IRC Logs for #crux Wednesday, 2020-03-25

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Romsterhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gfOHEaHdjo07:22
SiFuhI have no words07:54
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SiFuhRomster: The process of heating wine for preservation purposes has been known in China since AD 111708:44
SiFuh;-)08:44
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Romsteri havne't done any fermenting wine SiFuh10:09
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SiFuhRomster: I think of it as flat beer :-)10:59
Romsterewww flat beer is gross11:05
SiFuhYeah11:06
SiFuhIf I get a bad batch, I just run it through the still and turn it into moonshine11:08
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dlcusaLeaving computer indefinitely...14:34
frinnst?14:36
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SiFuhfrinnst: his slogan14:57
joacimthought it was about covid-19. to avoid tcp handshakes14:58
prologic🤣15:01
SiFuhjaeger: I just found the old CRUX setup script that I translated to Thai language in 200215:44
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: glib: added libffi as a dependency15:53
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jaegerI find old stuff like that now and then, kinda entertaining to look back at it17:21
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SiFuhyeah17:29
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: go: updated to version 1.14.417:51
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dlcusaLeaving computer indefinitely...19:08
dlcusaThat's intended to mean I'm away from the machine for the foreseeable future.  Sorry for the ambiguity.19:10
SiFuhSo if you get hit by a bus on the way to work, you are irc status is covered :-) Thanks for caring19:13
SiFuhyou're19:13
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frinnsthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKBWsy5A2bA&feature=youtu.be classic20:08
SiFuhsounds like a jar of bees20:14
john_cephalopodaI got a jar of beans!20:23
john_cephalopoda10.6KB/s20:42
john_cephalopodaMy download speed is horrible.20:45
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SiFuhjohn_cephalopoda: yep same here!20:48
SiFuh8.5 if I am doing good20:49
john_cephalopodaBut I'm in a 50k inhabitants city in Germany.20:50
SiFuhGood point20:56
SiFuhWith a higherspeed internet20:56
SiFuhI think we have about 200,000 people here but the internet is nothing like Flash Gordon20:57
john_cephalopodaAt good times it has 700KB/s, at this time it goes down to 10-30.20:57
john_cephalopodaI don't know Flash Gordon. I only know that he is some fictional character, who is mentioned in a Queen song. :þ20:58
john_cephalopodaI wish the web was as sturdy and resilient as IRC.21:00
john_cephalopodaI once used mobile internet for a while, which was unlimited until 4GB and slowed down to just a few KB/s after that.21:01
john_cephalopodaEverything stopped working. Except for IRC.21:02
SiFuhHeh data on IRC is like nothing21:03
john_cephalopodaI just went to a download site, the typical ftp-ish site with a long list of files. The content of the site is 23K of text, which is quite efficient.21:05
john_cephalopodaThe css of that site contains a 148K "bootstrap.css".21:06
john_cephalopodaIt also includes jquery and some more CSS and JS, for no discernible reason.21:08
john_cephalopodaI made a similar list which uses less than 1K of CSS, which is already quite bloated since it's the global CSS file for my website.21:10
john_cephalopodaHah, down to 635 B/s.21:10
SiFuhspyware21:10
john_cephalopodahttps://files.kde.org/kdenlive/release/21:11
john_cephalopodaFortunately it doesn't use google analytics.21:11
john_cephalopodaAnd all the files seem to be hosted locally.21:12
john_cephalopodaStill, imagine how much less bandwidth we'd use if every website would just use as little bandwidth as possible.21:12
SiFuhI always made my websites like that21:13
john_cephalopodaSame. But not many do.21:13
SiFuhI hated that Thai websites in the early 2000s had half an hour of scrolling with billions of animations21:13
john_cephalopodaA website I like to look at from time to time is http://www.rdrop.com/21:14
john_cephalopodaIt's so plain, but just tells you what it's about. It's kinda timeless.21:14
john_cephalopodaIt loads quite fast for me, even though the header image is an unoptimized gif file.21:15
SiFuhHahah that brings back memories21:15
john_cephalopodaThe rainbow hlines have an alt text saying "----------------- Picture a rainbow line here --------------------" :D21:16
SiFuhhaha21:18
john_cephalopodaOnly thing that's not that great is the table layout.21:24
john_cephalopodaOtoh it says "Copyright 1997", which 23 year.21:25
john_cephalopoda*which is21:25
SiFuhYeah likes Soffice approach21:25
john_cephalopodaSoffice?21:30
SiFuhYeah soffice before open office and libreoffice21:32
SiFuhThe one from Sun21:33
john_cephalopodaHeh, you can still find the name in Libreoffice class names :þ21:33
SiFuhyeah fully aware :-P21:34
SiFuhmaking me feel old now dude21:34
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: clang: 9.0.1 -> 10.0.021:35
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: llvm: 9.0.1 -> 10.0.021:35
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john_cephalopodaAah, I just wish software was smaller and the web was simpler. We could have small programs that aren't constantly broken and sites that load within a second, no matter the connection.21:44
john_cephalopodahttps://danluu.com/web-bloat/21:45
SiFuhjohn_cephalopoda: sure why I use fluxbox and a DE21:48
nolanvjohn_cephalopoda: and why lynx is so great when it works. Hi folks, new to the channel, but have been building CRUX systems for a few months.21:52
john_cephalopodaHEy nolanv21:52
john_cephalopodaMmh, Unfortunately Lynx doesn't always work.21:53
nolanvHowdy!21:53
john_cephalopodaA lot of websites are not really usable with it. Not because of JS but because the layout doesn't work out.21:53
nolanvThat's true. Wicked fast for the ones that do. I use it all the time for in-house documentation.21:54
SiFuhDoesn't work well on pornhub :-P21:54
nolanvSo true...21:55
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pedjaI am told youtube-dl works just fine with that :)21:55
SiFuhbut yeah lynx is fine but people need to sell shit so they make fancy images and videos21:55
john_cephalopodaI don't particularly like to read text in terminals.21:55
pedjaACTION prefers elinks21:55
SiFuhpedja: it does?21:56
SiFuhOhhh21:56
john_cephalopodaw3m appears to be a bit better at page layout than lynx.21:56
pedjaidk, don't watch it21:56
SiFuhHoly shit21:56
SiFuhIt does!21:57
SiFuhaha21:57
pedjampv + youtube-dl seem to be a popular combo21:57
SiFuhit even works on www.porn18sex.com21:57
nolanvSome folks were talking about making bread earlier. That's what finally got me to build weechat on CRUX today.21:59
SiFuhoh cool21:59
nolanvI bake a lot of bread. You don't need yeast. Sourdough tastes much better.22:00
SiFuhyeah but nolanv sourdough is sour because of yeast22:01
nolanvWell yeah, but it's _wild_ yeast, and we are puissant hackers!22:01
SiFuhyeah I mike the womans Tibetan Change with Wild Yeast for that sour flavour ;-)22:03
SiFuhnolanv: I can't believe you read that far back in the logs :P22:03
SiFuhmike make*22:03
nolanvWell, I couldn't wait for the novel to come out.22:03
SiFuhChange Chang*22:03
john_cephalopodaI am using mpv with the youtube-dl backend to watch youtube stuff. I subscribed to plenty of channels via RSS.22:03
SiFuhjohn_cephalopoda: no idea how to, no chance I ever will try. I have firefox that is enough. Same my phone. I use browser and screw the app :-P22:04
SiFuhnolanv: yeah sometimes I Talk to much.. ok mostly I talk22:04
nolanvHi SiFuh! All you need to make sourdough culture is a little rye or spelt flour and some water. Takes about a week for it to settle down and become good.22:07
john_cephalopodaSiFuh: I don't really use youtube for browsing. I don't like to visit that site. I just do "mpv <youtube link>" and get what I want.22:07
john_cephalopodaI can even set the quality with --ytdl-format, which is nice.22:07
SiFuhnolanv: No intention to make bread :-P I make booze22:08
nolanvSiFuh: That's fun. I think that's where the culture used to make koji originally came from.22:10
nolanvhttp://nordicfoodlab.org/blog/2013/8/koji-history-and-process22:11
nolanvSiFuh: What kind of booze do you make?22:12
SiFuhRice beer, Rice Wine, Moonshine22:12
SiFuhAll failed batches   because I expirment alot become moonshine22:13
nolanvSiFuh: Oh, I see! You make Tibetan Chhaang. That's so cool!22:14
SiFuhnolanv:  I don't roast the barley22:15
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SiFuhnolanv: yes but I make thei style and I drain the liquid and carbonate with a primer to make it bubbly like beer as well22:16
SiFuhSo one is white and thick and the other is clear and bubbly22:16
SiFuh clear and bubbly is almost like drinking champagne22:17
nolanvSiFuh: Ah, yes. ThaiBev.22:18
SiFuhLeo22:19
SiFuhThey use a different yeast    the same strain from what I see as they use in Singha22:19
nolanvGood stuff, that.22:20
SiFuhI like Leo more than singha22:21
nolanvHaven't tried that. Something to explore.22:22
SiFuhFor all my failed batches I endup running in a still and distill it slowly as in 6 hours for 35 litres of mash/wort slow to create about 2 to 4 litress at 80% 160 proof to 30% 60%22:24
SiFuh60 proof22:24
SiFuhI divide everything in small bottles and we (yes plural I ask people to help) taste test every sample and the best is kept the crap is recycled and the first 250ml is always used for cleaning :-P22:25
SiFuhWhat keep is then run run through carbon and that takes about 2 days22:26
SiFuhthen when we distribute it we add filtered water from my village to adjust it to 40% 80 proof. It doesn't do well in the freezer after that :-P22:27
nolanvYou are totally tooled up for this! Wish I was there to taste it.22:27
SiFuhHonestly, it is better and cleaner in my opinion that the average shop bought vodka.22:28
SiFuhBut I absoultely love Polish and Russian Vodka.22:28
SiFuhnolanv: even making beer is fully illegal here. I am hoping to sneak a bit accross the border into Thailand for my friends to try22:29
nolanvAaaaoooh! Werewolves of Thailand!22:31
SiFuhWarren Zevon should try it before singing22:31
nolanvIt would bring him back from the dead22:32
SiFuhHere they call it Cheap alcohol and the are pushing for cheap alcohol an outright ban. Funny since only 3 licences are actually introduced for corporate alcohol sales.22:32
nolanvI forget where you're at.22:33
SiFuhnolanv: I drink 3 shots of 55.5% 111 proof and I fall asleep.  I don't know why but I have never passed 3 shots.  I am wondering if my hydrometeres are wrong :-P22:34
SiFuhI live in Malaysia for now22:34
SiFuhMay be deported or imprisoned soon22:34
nolanvThis would be very bad. Looks like interesting times over there.22:35
SiFuhNo problems, I will just return to do it in Au22:35
SiFuhI am from Australia22:36
SiFuhIn Au it ain't illegal, you just have get a licence from the Tax department and pay tax n the amount your distill22:36
nolanvUSA, myself. But I sometimes get around a bit.22:37
SiFuhthe licence is free if 5 litres    or less22:37
nolanvDoes the tax apply to stuff you drink locally, with friends?22:38
SiFuhHome made spirits distilled is taxed only to you by the amount you produce.22:39
SiFuhYou can't sell it but you and your friends can drink it22:39
nolanvA sensible system22:40
SiFuhthe tax last time I looked  most definately changed now is about 80% for shop bought crap22:40
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SiFuhWell no.. Why should I pay tax on goods I already bought and converted to something else?22:40
nolanvTrue... but rather better than imprisonment.22:41
SiFuhCan you imagine taking sewage and converting it into pottable water then you must pay tax for the drinkable water?22:41
SiFuhits criminal22:41
SiFuhhere in Malaysia ok.. sure it is a muslim country but Australia?22:41
SiFuhI am not funding them for future imprisoments22:42
nolanvBilly Foster would not approve22:43
SiFuhHuman race and nature has been creating booze for so long how dare those fsckers make it illegal22:44
nolanvLachrimae mundi22:46
SiFuhYou cry?22:48
nolanvThe tears of the world22:48
cruxbot[opt.git/3.5]: git: 2.25.0 -> 2.26.022:49
nolanvI'll sleep better tonight, knowing that you're out there holding up the tradition. Have to go now. :)22:50
SiFuhhahaha22:50
SiFuhlong live booze22:50
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.5]: [notify] redis: 5.0.7 -> 5.0.8 fixes CVE-2015-808022:52
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