| jer | prologic, yeah i'm aware it's done by inheritance, that's the example i outlined. | 00:20 |
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| jer | zephyrtronium, it's an empty object just like any other, it's not explicitly a number, it's just been configured to look up against a number | 00:20 |
| jer | it's a very subtle distinction | 00:20 |
| jer | clone produces empty objects that inherently are not coupled to any other object EXCEPT that we configure them post-creation to insert the receiver of the clone message into the protos list at index 0 | 00:21 |
| jer | this is how inheritance works in io | 00:21 |
| jer | this is how io implements differential inheritance | 00:21 |
| jer | it delegates EVERY message send to its protos list, first match wins, we process the list depth first | 00:22 |
| jer | only in ways it is different from its protos will it store locally | 00:22 |
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| benzrf | hello | 01:02 |
| benzrf | is anybody online? | 01:02 |
| benzrf | ever? | 01:02 |
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| Raimondi | benzrf: if you have a question about Io then just ask it | 01:21 |
| benzrf | oh | 01:28 |
| benzrf | one sec | 01:28 |
| benzrf | I know very little io | 01:28 |
| benzrf | i tried to make a simple implementation of dynamically scoped methods, how does this look -> http://bpaste.net/show/viQK4KOLMOnkXTL3pmX4/ | 01:28 |
| zephyrtronium | jer: https://github.com/stevedekorte/io/blob/master/libs/iovm/source/IoNumber.c#L213 this is what i am looking at | 01:44 |
| zephyrtronium | i wasn't asking how it knows where to get *, i was asking how it knows the numeric value of y | 01:44 |
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| prologic | jer, hehe it's okay :) | 04:24 |
| prologic | I was just replying to backlog | 04:24 |
| prologic | and didn't read your entries until after :) | 04:24 |
| benzrf | prologic: who is jer? | 04:25 |
| prologic | zephyrtronium, I believe when you clone an object with a cacehd primitive value (e.g: number, string, symbol, etc) that also gets copied | 04:25 |
| prologic | benzrf, an ex-core dev of 10+ years in Io | 04:26 |
| prologic | :) | 04:26 |
| prologic | jer, hi :) | 04:26 |
| benzrf | 20:28 < benzrf> I know very little io | 04:26 |
| benzrf | 20:28 < benzrf> i tried to make a simple implementation of dynamically scoped methods, how does this look -> http://bpaste.net/show/viQK4KOLMOnkXTL3pmX4/ | 04:26 |
| prologic | yeah I just read your code snippet | 04:28 |
| prologic | I'm not really srue what that does :) | 04:28 |
| benzrf | OK | 04:28 |
| prologic | just be reading it | 04:28 |
| prologic | afaik you can dynamically change the scope of blocks anyway | 04:28 |
| prologic | there's hardly a reason to wrap that up in a method | 04:28 |
| prologic | and all you're doing (afaik) is just calling doInContext(some_obj) | 04:28 |
| prologic | try writing a program in Io instead :) | 04:28 |
| benzrf | ive never felt the urge >.> | 04:29 |
| benzrf | well this does it automatically by caller | 04:29 |
| prologic | then why bother doing anything in Io :) | 04:29 |
| benzrf | to see if i can grok the crazy metaprogramming | 04:29 |
| benzrf | :-D | 04:29 |
| prologic | right :) | 04:29 |
| benzrf | i normally dont bother doing | 04:29 |
| benzrf | 'real programming' | 04:30 |
| prologic | well in this case it's called homiconicity | 04:30 |
| prologic | ast is a data structure | 04:30 |
| benzrf | *in non mainstream languages | 04:30 |
| benzrf | prologic: im ware of homoiconicity | 04:30 |
| benzrf | *aware | 04:30 |
| prologic | oh well | 04:30 |
| prologic | that's why Io isn't mainstream then | 04:30 |
| benzrf | are you sure it's exactly homoiconic? | 04:30 |
| benzrf | :p | 04:30 |
| prologic | because you don't even try to make it mainstream :) | 04:30 |
| benzrf | aw | 04:30 |
| prologic | :) | 04:30 |
| prologic | catch 22 :) | 04:30 |
| prologic | yes | 04:30 |
| prologic | Io is homiconic | 04:30 |
| prologic | as is smalltalk | 04:31 |
| prologic | mio | 04:31 |
| prologic | scheme | 04:31 |
| benzrf | it just doesnt feel as polishedly pleasant to use as python or ruby | 04:31 |
| prologic | and a few others | 04:31 |
| prologic | try http://mio-lang.org/ then :) | 04:31 |
| benzrf | i normally think of homoiconicity as meaning that code and data are identical | 04:31 |
| benzrf | which is not exactly true of io | 04:31 |
| prologic | well that's just another way of putting it yes | 04:31 |
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| benzrf | i.e. in lisp, code and lists/trees are notated the same way and represented the same way | 04:33 |
| benzrf | oh wait a sec | 04:34 |
| benzrf | i think i see what you're saying | 04:34 |
| prologic | what? | 04:48 |
| prologic | what was I saying :) | 04:48 |
| prologic | https://pypi.python.org/pypi/mio-lang/0.1.8 | 05:53 |
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| zephyrtronium | Io> (2] | 13:51 |
| zephyrtronium | ==> 2 | 13:51 |
| zephyrtronium | lexers are hard | 13:51 |
| jer | zephyrtronium, that's also been a known bug for at least 8 years =] | 13:57 |
| jer | i fixed it once, but it broke again sometime. | 13:58 |
| zephyrtronium | i just find it entertaining | 13:58 |
| jer | i originally introduced it when i added [] and {}, found it and fixed it, then it regressed at some point =/ | 13:58 |
| jer | heh | 13:58 |
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| prologic | Merry Christmas y'a;; | 20:00 |
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| prologic | zephyrtronium, http://codepad.org/LZrelrDp | 20:05 |
| prologic | lexers aren't that hard :) | 20:05 |
| prologic | but even mio needs to improve on this :) | 20:05 |
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| stevedekorte | :) | 20:33 |
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